Advanced nutrients not being sold due to bullying?

[ProdigyGrower]

Ya ya I feel ya bro But I was talking about the sensi bloom being cheaper not connie so do the math you just did except for 2 4l bottels of the sensi bloom ab is 75 i think so that would come out much cheaper and I'l have to do that start letting products go when I run out of them and see if there is a difference I deff think that bud ignitor and bud blood are over rated and pen sesame is just as good and way cheaper and your rite I do use quite a few products but I look at it as a comprehensive feeding and not all of those products are used at the same or together. I am always up for suggestions to improve my growing like i said I'm a young gun 22 and only have 3 grows under my belt now I'm not saying I'm a bad grower I believe I'm pretty good especially for the amount of time I have ben growing but you are a old G in the growing game and I appreciate all the knowledge and experience you can teach me. I wouldn't be half as good as I am now If I didn't learn everything I know from grower's like you from sites like this and you rube but nothing teaches you like first hand experience. I can say I have seen amazing results with the products I used but then again I have never used anything else thats why I'm gonna use the sensi bloom ab on a few plants next run and see if the connie is that much better because I can get a gallon of sensi ab for the price of just a gallon of connie a I still think you should try either the connie or the sensi bloom because I believe that advanced has the best base out their thank you for breaking that all down for me appreciate it and love discussing different growing styles and nute lines . But ya When I was talking about the base being cheaper than canna I was talking about the sensi ab so how much would that break down to be?

 

[Snowblind]

Cost does not include shipping if you dont live near a distributer.

I am running Jacks Hydroponic at 3.18 grams per gallon of water.
I am adding Calcium Nitrate at 1.88 grams per gallon of water.

The elemental nute profile is per gallon of water of Jacks with added Calcium Nitrate in these quantities is equal to approx...

N = 113
P = 39
K = 161
Ca= 87
Mg= 47
S = 62

1 gram of epsom salt = 26 ppm of Mg and 34 ppm of S!
I add 1/2 gram of Epsom Salts which = 13 ppm of Mg and 17 ppm of S per gallon of water....

Final nute profile for flower..

N=113
P=39
K=161
Ca=87
Mg=60
S=78

I use a black 50 gallon Active Aqua reso.
I add 40 gallons of water.
Add 50 ml of DMZ zone.
Add 3.18 x 50 = 159 grams of Jacks to 5 gallons of water and mix until its dissolved, dump into the reso.
Mix 1/2 g x 50 = 25 grams of epsoms in 2.5 gallons of water until dissolved, dump in the reso.
Mix 1.8 grams of Calcium nitrate x 50 = 90 grams in 2.5 gallons of water untikl dissolved dump in the reso last, always last!!!

Check with PPM meter and PH meter, adjust with ph down.
GH adds P.
Technoflora adds N.
Sulphuric Acid adds S.
Citric acid adds I dont know what.




Jacks costs $29.50 bucks for 25 pounds!
25 pounds = 454 grams x 25 = 11,350 grams
each 50 gallon reso change is 3.18 grams x 50 = 159 grams of Jacks
11,350/159 = 71.38 50 gallon reso changes for $29.50
$29.50/71.38 50 gallon reso changes = .41 cents a reso change for my 50 gallon reso......

Calcium Nitrate costs $29.50 for 25 pounds!
25 pounds = 454 grams x 25 = 11,350 grams.
Each 50 gallon reso change is 1.8 grams x 50 = 90 grams of Calcium Nitrate.
11,350/90 = 126 50 gallon reso changes for $29.50
$29.50/126 50 gallon reso changes = .23 cents a reso change for my 50 gallon reso.....

Total cost per 50 gallon reso change = .64 cents... not including shipping.

Your nutes
A)should cost you next to nothing and

B)should be something you actually understand

Most nute companies dont want you to have any clue about even the most basic of plant science, otherwise you would never spend money on any liquid fert again..


The plants look amazing and healthy in my latest thread on the TopDawg forum...what elemantal ppm ratios do you guys use or shoot for I will ask once again with all of your nute cocktails? AN has you all sucking a fat dick.


Why use expensive bullshit nutes guys, come on and wake up and smell the fucking coffee! Do you think another line of nutes would make the plants in my TarDawg thread look any better at this point in flower? Salts are salts..and many companies blend powdered salts for cannabis specific applications these days. This formula would work in any medium. Mix the powder into water yourself, dont pay for water from AN!

My fav AN ad was about the guy who accidently drank their B formula from the bottle and not only lived but had an awesome workout or some bullshit.

Do your plants look green and healthy on all the leaves, green to the tips? Thats what im shooting for here......its hard to achieve but a formula such as Jacks helps. Use your fav bloom booster (Jacks makes one to be used with their new one part Hydro Herb formula) for a few weeks in flower as well.....but be carefull. I believe it should be used when the stretch is ending and budlet/flowers are starting to form then alternated for a few weeks....then go back to the low P formula until the end....min if any flush when you use low P for most of flower....im going to figure out the best weeks to spike the P.....

 

[Buddy Hemphill]

its funny you should say that. remember the store i mentioned that doesn't carry an no more ... they don't want to take mine back because an wont refund them! Now i fear i need to pay shipping to the an head office to get a refund... MORE an fuck around!!!!!!!!

i gotta call em on monday see what they say.

I have used a store that did me that way on a return.

My response was that I didnt spend my money with AN....I spent it with YOU!

They refunded me.


I have heard of folks that use different stores each year so they can bring back empty jugs of AN nutes and say they didnt wotk....they want their money back. Its a hustle.



The store I use tried to do me like ML is talking about Refund just a portion.$800 is prolly what AN refunded the store...they prolly didnt want to refund their profit.


Thats a problem with the owner of the stores we shop at. Not AN.

Not saying that AN isnt a fucky fucky company...most of them at that level are.

But so are these hydro shops. You gotta have your dukes up with them when they start acting stupid. They will get away with what folks will let them...just like AN.





Snowblind: Thats good stuff. Do you have a link to elemental profiles for canna? Thats what I need to learn and I dont really know where to begin. I have been in soil and I am making the jump to hydro soon. I have known this is the way to look at nutes but I need some reading material to get on the right path.

thanks for the good info on jacks. I have been reading about it. Folks are having good results.

 

[motherlode]

its funny you should say that. remember the store i mentioned that doesn't carry an no more ... they don't want to take mine back because an wont refund them! Now i fear i need to pay shipping to the an head office to get a refund... MORE an fuck around!!!!!!!!

i gotta call em on monday see what they say.

good luck bro

I have used a store that did me that way on a return.

My response was that I didnt spend my money with AN....I spent it with YOU!

They refunded me.


I have heard of folks that use different stores each year so they can bring back empty jugs of AN nutes and say they didnt wotk....they want their money back. Its a hustle.



The store I use tried to do me like ML is talking about Refund just a portion.$800 is prolly what AN refunded the store...they prolly didnt want to refund their profit.


Thats a problem with the owner of the stores we shop at. Not AN.

Not saying that AN isnt a fucky fucky company...most of them at that level are.

But so are these hydro shops. You gotta have your dukes up with them when they start acting stupid. They will get away with what folks will let them...just like AN.





Snowblind: Thats good stuff. Do you have a link to elemental profiles for canna? Thats what I need to learn and I dont really know where to begin. I have been in soil and I am making the jump to hydro soon. I have known this is the way to look at nutes but I need some reading material to get on the right path.

thanks for the good info on jacks. I have been reading about it. Folks are having good results.

well I have to disagree with you - AN is the one touting a 100% unconditional money back gaurantee

so they are the ones who should make good on it - not the little hydro stores

my buddy didnt bring back all empty bottles and it took months to get the refund

 

[baba G]

Hey Prodigy, Sounds good bro, just enjoy what your doing and experiment here and there if you want, I find it fun to see the results between competing products.
Most of all, I find the room's environment and genetics seem to be the most important controls in my lil experiments, I've used so many nutrients and honestly seen minor diffs most the times and as I age have tried to make it as simple as possible with results that make me happy. There are many factors, and time/money is a big one, I think Sensi A/B is way more than Canna Terra but not Bio Terra as far as cost. When you add up how much your AN additives are I feel that's where a lot of the AN cost goes too, even if you don't use much of a product they have those insane liter costs so they get you there...
But bottomline if your happy with the results, stick with it! There are so many ways to do things in this field and that's pretty cool, it's fun to chop it up with folks who use diff techniques and produce awesome results!
I feel that almost every product in these hydro stores works, if used correctly and mildly usually. Yeah, play around Prodigy if you want, it's fun!

baba G

 

[Buddy Hemphill]

good luck bro




well I have to disagree with you - AN is the one touting a 100% unconditional money back gaurantee

so they are the ones who should make good on it - not the little hydro stores

my buddy didnt bring back all empty bottles and it took months to get the refund

Its a catch 22 for small store owners. People buy AN, so they have to stock it. I haven't read one, but I bet part of the dealer agreement says the store must refund the customers money, which leaves them open to a fucking if AN doesn't credit their store for the return.

NOT stocking AN isnt an option for most store owners...they sell too much of it.

I hate knuckling down on them, but its retail. If I go to Joes TV's and buy a new flat screen that breaks, Joe is responsible for refunding or exchanging. Not Sony. Its a fucked up situation for store owners.

FWIW...I was told the same thing on a purple ballast (they suck btw), Lumatek.

Is Hfarm or sunlight the distributor?...I cant remember what she said at the time...but I had to wait 2 weeks for them to send it back to the factory. So that they could deem it damaged and then OK a replacement.

There again, if you apply that to any other 400 dollar appliance, I would go smooth off in a Sears if they told me I had to wait 2 weeks for a refund on my new whatever that broke as soon as I got it home.

Its a shitty spot for the really small stores. It isnt just AN fucking folks though. Everybody wants a piece of the green rush. I stopped using small stores. In my experience they cant hang in the long run. Capitalism sux.


But I digress....back to the AN love/hate discussion...

 

[decrimCA]

Wow...I would never shop at a hydro store that didn't sell all of the nutrients that they could. Bullying crap is something that you should do in high school, not anywhere else.

I mean, I might not buy any other nutrients besides Advanced Nutrients, but I still want to have access to as many nutrients as possible. I mean, I think people should be growing, not dealing with other crap.

There's enough stuff that coudl happen in your grow room. You don't need to deal with copmany stuff when you're growing.

Everyone play nice...and growers will buy from you. Tell us the truth and we'll listen. Heck, we'll even respect you more.

(If only nute companies would read these boards. LOL)

 

[testez]

i couldn't agree more with the last comment made.

 

[Texas Kid]

So when I had my hydro store, we all flew out to the west coast for a big ass hydro expo...during he expo AN had a big party/pep rally for all its stocking dealers....during this meeting AN made all the stocking dealers commit to their next years sales volume and pay for it in advance...a discount schedule was setup for different dollar amounts and different payment terms,,,so lets say you think you are goin to sell $100,000 dollars worth of AN gear, you had to commit and make payment for well in advance of any sales volume so you where buying enventory in advance and the more you buy the longer your discount...keep in mind this wasn't guess work, there where sales contracts, personal security agreements, the whole nine yards, so it wasn't like you could say oops I was wrong and my sales weren't there...oh well, fuck you pay me.

So as if that wasn't bad enough bad enough, before we even got home form the meeting AN had launched its own company website, shipping worldwide, free shipping, and cheaper than what I just committed to and paid for a week earlier...I was screwed and still had to fight it out with customers with Iphones standing in the store tellin me it was cheaper just to order direct from AN, even placing orders from my sales floor...

Damn I am glad I am outta retail!!!!!!!

Tex

 

[testez]

So when I had my hydro store, we all flew out to the west coast for a big ass hydro expo...during he expo AN had a big party/pep rally for all its stocking dealers....during this meeting AN made all the stocking dealers commit to their next years sales volume and pay for it in advance...a discount schedule was setup for different dollar amounts and different payment terms,,,so lets say you think you are goin to sell $100,000 dollars worth of AN gear, you had to commit and make payment for well in advance of any sales volume so you where buying enventory in advance and the more you buy the longer your discount...keep in mind this wasn't guess work, there where sales contracts, personal security agreements, the whole nine yards, so it wasn't like you could say oops I was wrong and my sales weren't there...oh well, fuck you pay me.

So as if that wasn't bad enough bad enough, before we even got home form the meeting AN had launched its own company website, shipping worldwide, free shipping, and cheaper than what I just committed to and paid for a week earlier...I was screwed and still had to fight it out with customers with Iphones standing in the store tellin me it was cheaper just to order direct from AN, even placing orders from my sales floor...

Damn I am glad I am outta retail!!!!!!!

Tex

Holly shit that's a terrible way to make sales. What if they product was sub par? your fucked you've allready committed i think right?

 

[PRODUCT]

top shelf premium brand you can buy hands down right now

 

[green punk]

more hyped garbage. How many additives do they sell? Plus that shit has growth hormones that aren't fit for human consumption. Look into it

 

[ogplatinum]

more hyped garbage. How many additives do they sell? Plus that shit has growth hormones that aren't fit for human consumption. Look into it

Also that shit costs an arm and a leg....I'll keep with Aurora and Roots organics, max price for a quart is like 35 bucks, their base nutes are like 12-17 a quart.

 

[Snowblind]

You guys are sooooo dense........I give up.

 

[Buddy Hemphill]

You guys are sooooo dense........I give up.

I have been reading more about elemental profiles since you posted.

Do you have a link to the correct target for MMJ?

I have been knowing that info was the next step for me, I havent had enough sense to start asking the right questions I dont think.

I am about to start my first hydro run. I have been reading and reading and reading.


Let me get this straight. I have a target ppm or percentage for each element?

How do I look at the bottles I am using and determine how close I am to the correct MMJ values (as determined by a set of control/correct values.)


Fuck its early. I hope I am asking the right question. I want to figure this out.


FWIW, I agree.....nitrates are nitrates...nitrites are nitrites. Jacks makes sense to me in theory. I just want to understand it more.

OP....Should I start another thread? Sorry for the jack.

 

[testez]

nahhhh s'all good bro, this thread is a mish mash of all things good. i vented by creating the thread and thats all that matters. for people to know how an sucks allot is a bonus so i'ma happy farmer. but thx for the consideration though. mighty kind of you.

 

[Snowblind]

There is no magic profile. Tissue samples seems to suggest interesting results. Low Phosphorus.


there are some spreadsheats out there that you plug in your nutes weight in the bottle, total mililiters and you enter the guranteed analysis and it will tell you the ppms per ml....

This is a tough link to read through but give it a shot.....






The thread evolves over time as the profiles are talked about in greater detail.....its a lot to digest and takes some time. What is discussed gets crazy! Read the whole thing before doing anything.

Ive had success with a basic and approx 3-1-4 elemental profile in flower and veg really........3ppm N to 1 ppm of p to 4 ppm of K...ive never run more than 39 ppm of phosphorus you can feed up until the end and flush for like 2 days and the final product burns so clean to a gray ash with no poping and tastes pretty amazing.

I think you can use even less of the Jacks Hydroponic that what ive been using so it might cost even less to use! Ive always used 3.0 grams to 3.18 per gallon but you might only need 2.75 grams per gallon to be at 75% str or 39 ppm of P.

 

[mikea]

an is complete mierda and hype...
all an does is copy GH.
jj, really? an spends years dissing GH 3part, now they come out with a copy of it? what a joke.
check out the heavy metal content of many an products - can you say toxic?
so many other lines out there are better and cheaper than an.
anyone with experience knows AN is nothing but marketing, pretty easy when you have unlimited amounts of laundered lootcake.

 

[PRODUCT]

or just simply make a compost tea for veg.. and a compost tea for flowering.. and be done with it..ITS REALLY THAT SIMPLE FOLKS.. that stuff is magic organic and alive and superior

 

[Buddy Hemphill]

or just simply make a compost tea for veg.. and a compost tea for flowering.. and be done with it..ITS REALLY THAT SIMPLE FOLKS.. that stuff is magic organic and alive and superior

Do you make a tea with CalMag?