Aquaman goes COCO. (Mother hunt)

[Dirtbag]

sorry I retract my statement and would delete post if poss. I thought it said 3 a light on the wall which is the name of their silly high priced coffee table book.

And i call them out on every thing thay promote in their video showing all their “special” techniques. They coined “schwazzing” and they claim to ripen all their flowers on the plants still for a couple talking points they use.

It is just my opinion though.

3 a light is Josh haupt of medicine man, they arent affiliated with jungle boys as far as i know. But maybe jungle boys promotes it? Dont know. Have you smoked jungle boyz weed though? Why do you hate on it so much?

 

[Dirtbag]

sorry I retract my statement and would delete post if poss. I thought it said 3 a light on the wall which is the name of their silly high priced coffee table book.

And i call them out on every thing thay promote in their video showing all their “special” techniques. They coined “schwazzing” and they claim to ripen all their flowers on the plants still for a couple talking points they use.

It is just my opinion though.

I agree claiming ownership as the creator of those techniques is stupid. But it doesnt mean none of them work

 

[Frankster]

my best plants ever had every leaf intact from sprout. Even the 2 little first leaves. I was nominated potm with a pic of one. Huge potent buds under a full leafy bush of big fan leaves. Not one leaf pulled or died.

Many of my plants that are in the end stage of flowering still have their seed leaves intact also, I usually don't remove anything anymore, they usually dry out, but there still hanging there, about an inch long each.

I agree with most everything said here on both sides of the issue. Especially about the reservoir of nutrients/energy leaves provide, the loss of function over time as they age, and that stressing promotes great things. I suppose, in the end, it all boils down to very specific strain, and grow strategies. And that there's more than one way to obtain excellent results.

Personally, I like the buffer that the extra leaves provide. When it comes to stressing, I can find other ways to obtain those pressures, by using UV, or by constant training techniques. My stems look like green beans these days with all the breaks I create in them over time.

 

[Frankster]

New plant cells are created in the stem correct? Just like bone marrow in an animal? I would think that this sort of trauma would create an abundance of "stem" type cells during a critical period, especially during early flowering, when budding sites proliferate.

I suspect defol does a very similar thing. Stimulating cell production and enzyme levels all at the same time.

 

[Dirtbag]

Personally, I like the buffer that the extra leaves provide. When it comes to stressing, I can find other ways to obtain those pressures, by using UV, or by constant training techniques.

I agree. I dont swazz either because i want the leaf nutrient buffer, and frankly it just seems more natural to me. I dont trust my feeding habits nearly enough to swazz, especially growing in peat with organic nutrients. Im far too hands off of a grower to trust myself pulling off all the leaves. But for advanced growers who do it, it works, no doubt. Like i said in another thread my buddy is pushing 3-4 pounds per light, and the consistency and quality of his crops is second to none imho. I can not argue with his results.

 

[Madmax]

So hes in coir dirtbag..im keen to know what pot size he uses when he says he doubles his yield.b good to know how much herb he gets off a certain pot size.if he can double i will def try this technique to see if i can get 1 p out of q 14 litre pot ...but like you said Everything has to b on point.

 

[Dirtbag]

So hes in coir dirtbag..im keen to know what pot size he uses when he says he doubles his yield.b good to know how much herb he gets off a certain pot size.if he can double i will def try this technique to see if i can get 1 p out of q 14 litre pot ...but like you said Everything has to b on point.

Yeah he grows in straight coco coir using Dyna-gro foliage pro, Bloom, mag pro, and protekt. He also uses GP massive for a few doses early flower. In his production rooms he does 9 plants per 4x4' in 1 gallon fabric pots. In his testers room which is mostly seed plants he uses 3 gallon pots and mixes in 30% perlite.
In his production rooms he pulls 6-7oz per plant depending on strain.

In fact if im not mistaken, The way @Aqua Man is growing currently is based off info i gleaned from this guy. Minus the swazz obviously.

 

[Aqua Man]

Yeah he grows in straight coco coir using Dyna-gro foliage pro, Bloom, mag pro, and protekt. He also uses GP massive for a few doses early flower. In his production rooms he does 9 plants per 4x4' in 1 gallon fabric pots. In his testers room which is mostly seed plants he uses 3 gallon pots and mixes in 30% perlite.
In his production rooms he pulls 6-7oz per plant depending on strain.

In fact if im not mistaken, The way @Aqua Man is growing currently is based off info i gleaned from this guy. Minus the swazz obviously.

Yup you and cemchris. Pretty much carbon copy except these plants went further veg I think. I'll probably try out some defoliation stuff going forward after a grow or 2 of SOG. But I'm trying to get to a point I dont need any just for lazy sake.

 

[Madmax]

Oh ..i see now.now i understand more how he can double his yield.i was expecting it to b more about on pot size when thats not even in the equation really..im def going to get those nutes and im one who doesnt pull leaves but im an outside grower your going from uncontrolled to controlled enviroment which is why it can work .i understand when he swazzes then drops temps and nutes ..that makes perfect sense..hes a very smart man dirtbag

 

[Fudge]

Oh ..i see now.now i understand more how he can double his yield.i was expecting it to b more about on pot size when thats not even in the equation really..im def going to get those nutes and im one who doesnt pull leaves but im an outside grower your going from uncontrolled to controlled enviroment which is why it can work .i understand when he swazzes then drops temps and nutes ..that makes perfect sense..hes a very smart man dirtbag

Why I love the farm mate, (although this is second hand info, I trust DBs recalled the info correctly) I'm here with my notebook, always jotting shit down I read, research it more, then implement what suits my style of growing. I'm already adding a shopping list together to copy the autofeed set up that Aqua has followed.
I'm close to hitting 2lb a light, I'd LOVE to hit 3

 

[Dirtbag]

Why I love the farm mate, (although this is second hand info, I trust DBs recalled the info correctly) I'm here with my notebook, always jotting shit down I read, research it more, then implement what suits my style of growing. I'm already adding a shopping list together to copy the autofeed set up that Aqua has followed.
I'm close to hitting 2lb a light, I'd LOVE to hit 3

Worth pointing out, he also uses a mix of DE HPS, Fluence and apparently Gavita LED's and he supplements Co2 to hit those numbers.

And yeah this guy and i are good friends, we talk a lot about our grows with each other and dude has been trying to get me onto swazzing since forever. He did convince me to try straight coco in 1 gallon pots last grow and even without Co2 and using SE HPS i managed to average about 5oz per plant. But, I only did 4 plants per 4x4 and vegged longer than he does. He crushes me on yield per sqft given the same veg time etc. And honestly, beats me in quality and consistency too. Im not ashamed to admit that he is a far better grower than I am. But growing is also all he does.. I have too much on my plate to dedicate the amount time to growing that he does.

 

[Fudge]

Worth pointing out, he also uses a mix of DE HPS, Fluence and apparently Gavita LED's and he supplements Co2 to hit those numbers.

And yeah this guy and i are good friends, we talk a lot about our grows with each other and dude has been trying to get me onto swazzing since forever. He did convince me to try straight coco in 1 gallon pots last grow and even without Co2 and using SE HPS i managed to average about 5oz per plant. But, I only did 4 plants per 4x4 and vegged longer than he does. He crushes me on yield. And honestly, quality and consistency too. Im not ashamed to admit that he is a far better grower than I am. But growing is also all he does.. I have too much on my plate to dedicate the amount time to growing that he does.

I'm considering kitting my room out as I have high ceilings, would give me much better options regarding lights/co2 and could still be cheaper than going the full hog Led wise, as if I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it right the 1st time. But I just love my HPS, especially in Sunny UK. All food for thought, thanks for the info

 

[PK1]

I'm considering kitting my room out as I have high ceilings, would give me much better options regarding lights/co2 and could still be cheaper than going the full hog Led wise, as if I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it right the 1st time. But I just love my HPS, especially in Sunny UK. All food fir thought, thanks for the info

there is no such a thing of doing it right the first time. You can read read read, but the practice is where the knowledge and experience really gets used.
plus, how would you get better if you don't make mistakes?

 

[MIMedGrower]

I agree claiming ownership as the creator of those techniques is stupid. But it doesnt mean none of them work

im mixing up who wrote the overpriced silly book. Both growers are full of advertising hype though.

you respect a guy selling a $300 book about schwazzing?

I offer $12.95 for the info. Lol

 

[Fudge]

there is no such a thing of doing it right the first time. You can read read read, but the practice is where the knowledge and experience really gets used.
plus, how would you get better if you don't make mistakes?

I meant buying right the 1st time. If I made the move I wouldnt skimp on the pennies. And of course I learn summat new everytime I come here

 

[amekins]

Worth pointing out, he also uses a mix of DE HPS, Fluence and apparently Gavita LED's and he supplements Co2 to hit those numbers.

And yeah this guy and i are good friends, we talk a lot about our grows with each other and dude has been trying to get me onto swazzing since forever. He did convince me to try straight coco in 1 gallon pots last grow and even without Co2 and using SE HPS i managed to average about 5oz per plant. But, I only did 4 plants per 4x4 and vegged longer than he does. He crushes me on yield per sqft given the same veg time etc. And honestly, beats me in quality and consistency too. Im not ashamed to admit that he is a far better grower than I am. But growing is also all he does.. I have too much on my plate to dedicate the amount time to growing that he does.

Forgive me if this is dense. I understand why perlite is added to grow mediums, at least partly. How does having coco only better the grow, holds onto more nutrients?

 

[Aqua Man]

Forgive me if this is dense. I understand why perlite is added to grow mediums, at least partly. How does having coco only better the grow, holds onto more nutrients?

For 1 gal the extra drainage is not needed and probably dry faster than you want. But a good quality Coco that is not compact is important. Its kind of a balancing act.... you can grow in straight perlite if ya wanted.

 

[Dirtbag]

Forgive me if this is dense. I understand why perlite is added to grow mediums, at least partly. How does having coco only better the grow, holds onto more nutrients?

Coco in a one gallon pot has plenty of air and wont compact, plus holds more nutrient solution. Coco in a 3 gallon pot risks compacting and channeling and the perlite helps aerate it.

 

[amekins]

For 1 gal the extra drainage is not needed and probably dry faster than you want. But a good quality Coco that is not compact is important. Its kind of a balancing act.... you can grow in straight perlite if ya wanted.

Thank you.

 

[amekins]

Coco in a one gallon pot has plenty of air and wont compact, plus hold more nutrient solution. Coco in a 3 gallon pot risks compacting and channeling and the perlite helps aerate it.

Thank you.