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Arguing vs Debating vs Discussing

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#64
1diesel1 said:
Mother natures final product I find extremely more potent then indoor,
And I also grow indoors
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Do you feel a generally longer veg time outdoors or the interaction with the suns natural spectrum vs artificial lighting and shorter veg promotes that?
 
#66
2Water said:
Do you feel a generally longer veg time outdoors or the interaction with the suns natural spectrum vs artificial lighting and shorter veg promotes that?
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Ultimately it is sunshine,
I’ve depped houses in the past with the same results as full term,
Proper amendments in your soil are second in my opinion
 
#68
1diesel1 said:
Ultimately it is sunshine,
I’ve depped houses in the past with the same results as full term,
Proper amendments in your soil are second in my opinion
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Have you found the implementation of uvb, ir, and far red to play any significant factor vs without? Does it bring it closer to the natural sunlight?
 
#69
2Water said:
Have you found the implementation of uvb, ir, and far red to play any significant factor vs without? Does it bring it closer to the natural sunlight?
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I don’t use leds,
HPS Or CMH,
I’m putting the finishing touches on my next grow with 2, 315cmh ballasts,
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#70
2Water said:
Perfect question for you then! My living organic soil recipe is a mix of DTE 3-3-3, Bio-Live, and Bio-Fish. Just added Azomite to my recycled soil as well. Would you consider that overkill?
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I bottle feed but the addition of azomite, IMO, isn't overkill. It's a trace mineral so it's good to have it in the soil.

The only "amendments" I add to my soil are mycorrhizae and bacteria. My bottle nutes are compatible with a healthy rhizo so that's all I need for peak growth.
 
#72
PooToe said:
I bottle feed but the addition of azomite, IMO, isn't overkill. It's a trace mineral so it's good to have it in the soil.

The only "amendments" I add to my soil are mycorrhizae and bacteria. My bottle nutes are compatible with a healthy rhizo so that's all I need for peak growth.
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Nice, the 3-3-3 and Bio-Live have mycho and bacteria in the mixes as well. I feel like a healthy microbe population within the pot is more important to soil grows. I really tried to focus on creating a terra prieta type soil.

I've been reading on KNF, would love to try a coco run using only KNF extracts
 
#73
PooToe said:
Every botanist and master grower I've worked with when I was working in legal grow ops would stress how important RH and Temp in ALL cycles of growth are.

These are people who have spent years both studying the science along with years of practical experience.......but they're all wrong........ 🤣
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It would take an essay to get you to understand and even then you wouldn't get it. I know all about legal grows, the employees, investors, sops, etc.

For all those grows, grown in nearly lab conditions, all the same way because everyone buys the same SOPs whether stolen :snickers: or...stolen. Only to produce isht products. It's an epidemic across America, every legal state except for maybe Michigan.

Most smokers have no clue they're buying isht because they've smoked reggie their whole lives. And they  still complain about quality only to have their worries subdued by salesmen and 'experts,' leaving the customer to think everything's okay. Or the classic 'we're still dialing it it!' Sooths all the customers fears.
The same 'experts' and 'master growers' with their fine tuned SOPs in 'lab 'conditions' still gotta send half their weed to the CRC because it's isht in one way or another e.g mold, mildew, bugs.

I've watched a respected og start a business, he defiantly knows how to grow. I thought he was going to take over the state. Sadly he jumped on the trendy train and people are complaining about his stuff. That's alarming. Somethings wrong somewhere.

Then those Master Growers, who simply follow someone elses SOP, are out browsing forums to learn how to grow. While they're at it they like helping others. 'I'm a master grower at Biggest Buds Farms, this is how we do it. Trends start, who doesn't trust a master grower that actually works at a facility?

Cannabis growing has shifted, no longer are the guys that built this important. Who is important is the rich guys that fought against us, never contributed nor risked their lives so we can have what we have today. 'Let's celebrate former drug prosecuter from his transition from destroying lives to saving lives...because it's legal now!'

So they gather their investors, open a business, change how we grow weed by hiring real live Botenist that's never grew a weed plants before but he's qualified because it's a weed. Who can't grow a weed?

So Mr Botenist and whatever other 'scientists' they hire come together and they're a force. Who doesn't trust guys with PHDs? Right?

Now other businesses are created or ramp up because those facilities need tons of products to start growing. Those products filter down into grow shops and next thing you know homegrowers are growing like the facilities that can't even get it right themselves.

A lot of us experienced non business guys are having no problems with our weed.

The  ONLY reason those big companies didnt fold their first year is because of SCIENCE. Turning the moldiest buds ive ever seen into pure smokable product by any means necessary, including using dangerous stuff. From bug infestations that would make your skin crawl to PM so bad it looked like snow dusted the plants. All of that stuff was sold as medical grade cannabis for top dollar by the unsuspecting patient. The scientists are givin a job, fix this moldy weed so it can be sold...any means necessary. I didn't mention plants so abused they looked like they were hit with a flamethrower. I'd have to dig but I got some pics of facility grows. I deleted some like the one with the bugs...hopefully I didn't.

The government basically supplied that same quality stuff to Glaucoma patients, moldy crappy bud, grown at a University, by scientists and DRs. And as we know, State governments, lawyers and well connected business guys run legal cannabis. They see us as lower than them, they don't care about us, the patients or anything other than the money.

Yall can be impressed with scientists and botanists but I ain't. Then again, if I worked in a facility I'd have to praise my co worker, oh glorious college educated botanist thats never grown cannabis before! Because if I didn't see him as Mr Important I'd be seeing myself in the unemployment line.

Many people are shackled into respecting people, I have integrity tho...it's worth more to me than kneeling.

But with that said, maybe I should move on, seems like I really pushed someone with little knowledge off the edge even tho I've been clear about my mission as they came at me for not following what they want me to do. NOT!
 
#74
PooToe said:
But why? Outdoor, in your opinion, is good enough?
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i believe some strain and some phenotype will devellop terpene profile i prefer with outdoor environnemental growing condition and that some other strains and phenotype will devellop terpene profile i prefer with indoor environnemental growing condition, terpene profile is moslty what's i m after when it come to smoking weed.

really i don't have such preference for indoor or outdoor weed in general ...
 
#75
ACSippi said:
It would take an essay to get you to understand and even then you wouldn't get it. I know all about legal grows, the employees, investors, sops, etc.

For all those grows, grown in nearly lab conditions, all the same way because everyone buys the same SOPs whether stolen :snickers: or...stolen. Only to produce isht products. It's an epidemic across America, every legal state except for maybe Michigan.

Most smokers have no clue they're buying isht because they've smoked reggie their whole lives. And they  still complain about quality only to have their worries subdued by salesmen and 'experts,' leaving the customer to think everything's okay. Or the classic 'we're still dialing it it!' Sooths all the customers fears.
The same 'experts' and 'master growers' with their fine tuned SOPs in 'lab 'conditions' still gotta send half their weed to the CRC because it's isht in one way or another e.g mold, mildew, bugs.

I've watched a respected og start a business, he defiantly knows how to grow. I thought he was going to take over the state. Sadly he jumped on the trendy train and people are complaining about his stuff. That's alarming. Somethings wrong somewhere.

Then those Master Growers, who simply follow someone elses SOP, are out browsing forums to learn how to grow. While they're at it they like helping others. 'I'm a master grower at Biggest Buds Farms, this is how we do it. Trends start, who doesn't trust a master grower that actually works at a facility?

Cannabis growing has shifted, no longer are the guys that built this important. Who is important is the rich guys that fought against us, never contributed nor risked their lives so we can have what we have today. 'Let's celebrate former drug prosecuter from his transition from destroying lives to saving lives...because it's legal now!'

So they gather their investors, open a business, change how we grow weed by hiring real live Botenist that's never grew a weed plants before but he's qualified because it's a weed. Who can't grow a weed?

So Mr Botenist and whatever other 'scientists' they hire come together and they're a force. Who doesn't trust guys with PHDs? Right?

Now other businesses are created or ramp up because those facilities need tons of products to start growing. Those products filter down into grow shops and next thing you know homegrowers are growing like the facilities that can't even get it right themselves.

A lot of us experienced non business guys are having no problems with our weed.

The  ONLY reason those big companies didnt fold their first year is because of SCIENCE. Turning the moldiest buds ive ever seen into pure smokable product by any means necessary, including using dangerous stuff. From bug infestations that would make your skin crawl to PM so bad it looked like snow dusted the plants. All of that stuff was sold as medical grade cannabis for top dollar by the unsuspecting patient. The scientists are givin a job, fix this moldy weed so it can be sold...any means necessary. I didn't mention plants so abused they looked like they were hit with a flamethrower. I'd have to dig but I got some pics of facility grows. I deleted some like the one with the bugs...hopefully I didn't.

The government basically supplied that same quality stuff to Glaucoma patients, moldy crappy bud, grown at a University, by scientists and DRs. And as we know, State governments, lawyers and well connected business guys run legal cannabis. They see us as lower than them, they don't care about us, the patients or anything other than the money.

Yall can be impressed with scientists and botanists but I ain't. Then again, if I worked in a facility I'd have to praise my co worker, oh glorious college educated botanist thats never grown cannabis before! Because if I didn't see him as Mr Important I'd be seeing myself in the unemployment line.

Many people are shackled into respecting people, I have integrity tho...it's worth more to me than kneeling.

But with that said, maybe I should move on, seems like I really pushed someone with little knowledge off the edge even tho I've been clear about my mission as they came at me for not following what they want me to do. NOT!
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Bro, feel free to answer my questions and BE the teacher you want to be. Please, teach me something oh great one!🤣
 
#76
HerbalEdu said:
i believe some strain and some phenotype will devellope terpene profile i prefer with outdoor environnemental growing condition and that some other strains and phentype will devellope terpene profile i prefer with indoor environnemental growing condition, terpene profile is moslty what's i m after when it come smoking.

really i don't have such preference for indoor or outdoor weed in general ...
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Which cultivars in your experience have benefited from outdoor growing vs indoors?
 
#78
HerbalEdu said:
none in perticular just a general thought ...
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I'm curious, because your example said you choose some strains to grow outside over other for the terpene production. But you dont do that?

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Or you haven't tested that?
 
#79
i tend to consider buying seeds is like playing the lotery you'll never know what you'll get until you've grown and tasted them.
 
#80
2Water said:
I'm curious, because your example said you choose some strains to grow outside over other for the terpene production. But you dont do that?

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Or you haven't tested that?
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just a generic thought from my understanding of plant metabolism reacting to it's environnement resulting in minor differences.
 
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