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[Psychonaut47]

Get in where you fit in....For medical records you should time line your pesticide consumption, look up Cannabis Hypermesis Syndrome @Douglas.C

 

[JSmokes420]

Get in where you fit in....For medical records you should time line your pesticide consumption, look up Cannabis Hypermesis Syndrome @Douglas.C

What part of properly used don't you understand?
Did you not read the first paragraph about using these in veg?

Anything I use is completely safe and has had ample time to break down over 2+ months of flower.

 

[xavier7995]

They quit making Merit 75 unfortunately. Will look into the Met 52 thanks

Will vouch for merit 75 to treat aphids. Had a nasty out of control case and it wiped them out. Certainly not ideal, but if used correctly/reasonably I think pesticides have their place.

Edit: bayer tree and shrub is a good cheap source of the active ingredient in merit.

 

[Natural]

LMFAO. I have never used the AN line. My plants don't have any deficiencies infact they grow a couple inches a day right now.

Secondly all the chemicals I have listed are used on edible food in one fashion or another. Oberon=Forbid 4f as just one example. Just prefer to use the concentrated version for monetary value. I'm aware of their shelf life, if you think organics don't have a shelf life you haven't smelled your bottles recently. I've been growing for over 8 years and 5 years of that was organic...

I've done the battles with oils this and special tricks that. Too much work too much risk and not enough pay off. I know how to use the chemicals I have appropriately. Just looking for more so I can keep the resistance from ever happening

my apologies..that wasn't your thread with AN nutes..you were just commenting.
IMO everything you listed will cause resistance to some degree or another. Much better off reaching for a Bio-Pesticide. Quite a few registered effective products available that won't. Shelf-life mentioned..because you want to 'stockpile'..doesn't make sense to me..much better off relying on organic IPM as a base..go from there. Take for instance the broad mite. One of my Big Island buddies completely wiped them out with nothing more than Cap's Foliar in a humid greenhouse environment. Another friend wiped out resistant spider mites with Conserve SC (spinosad). Another friend beat RA with Met52 and Botanigard. Neem and Karanja can be a mighty tool as well as essential oil.
Harsh chems have their place..but not as an IPM...and certainly not to be used on a whim or for prevention imho.

Fungus gnats..you mention Fipronil..not only is that the wrong approach, but it's more of a repellent and only second a contact killer. Cannon ball to kill a mosquito? The best product I know to knock FG back with a quickness is fresh Gnatrol and sticky traps. Haven't seen a break out last longer than a few days using this.
I guess.. my most prudent advice is to not believe the dramatic farmers who jump up and down to say harsh chems are the most effective way. In alot of circumstances they're not...and certainly not by themselves. Good IPM is prevention at it's core.
Can it be so simple that once you become a champion fighter using natural/bio pesticides that you yourself will hesitate to use much else? Could it be that folks who rely heavily on chems are in reality just lazy and full of self doubt...maybe. One thing for sure..you're health will thank you..not only smoking it..but when you want to go in and touch your plants.

 

[Bulldog420]

Your approach is all wrong IMO.

Healthy plants first. Organic approach with IPM second, then IF you get a bug, ID it, then attack it with nukes if needed. To just use nukes as preventive measures is not advised. A lot can be learned from technique of application and use of surficants. (sp) Gotta run, hope this doesn't rub you the wrong way.

 

[NightsWatch]

Well i guess it all depends on what your dealing with and which route is the better route to go .
Pest management tools. Such tools include mechanical, biological and cultural controls as well as
Each situation is unique and farmers are committed to making the right choice for their farm and the environment. They use pesticides when they are the best tool to control the particular pest threatening their crop.

Plain and simple because at the end of the day know one really gives a shit.

You know Joe Blow tells you oh yeah this as all organic grown no chemical pesticides or anything .
To make you feel better and To make the Sale .

But fails to tell you that the manures he bought most likely came from cows grazing on GMO chemically sprayed lands haha.

Lets see here some nutrient mining out fit using machines leaking oils grease, and Gas crushing these minerals

Of course its impossible for cross contamination right or higher metal content
That cannot happen no way impossible
Seriously how the fuck do we really know unless were actually doing it all our self's growing fields , feeding your own cattle

I wonder how many here use Guano lets see here most all south American cultavators use Chemical nutrients.
Its easy to guess sure the must also use chemical pesticides as well .
But anyways insects that live survive off plants bats eat insects bat shit contaminated with chemicals

But getting back to chemical pesticides Building on the fact that many organic pesticides haven’t been tested for safety, now we see that farmers are having to use more because they’re not as effective as the chemicals used in conventional farming.

I’m not sure what’s more dangerous – consuming a larger quantity of organic chemicals that have NOT been tested for safety, or consuming a lesser quantity of chemicals that have been tested for safety…

So as you ponder on the fact that your plants are unhealthy and using organic remedies that make you feel better multiple applications .
you can be rest assure that the one chemical pesticide got rid of the issue first application and that the unhealthy plant has better odds of thriving and growing much faster then the other

 

[JSmokes420]

Well i guess it all depends on what your dealing with and which route is the better route to go .
Pest management tools. Such tools include mechanical, biological and cultural controls as well as
Each situation is unique and farmers are committed to making the right choice for their farm and the environment. They use pesticides when they are the best tool to control the particular pest threatening their crop.

Plain and simple because at the end of the day know one really gives a shit.

You know Joe Blow tells you oh yeah this as all organic grown no chemical pesticides or anything .
To make you feel better and To make the Sale .

But fails to tell you that the manures he bought most likely came from cows grazing on GMO chemically sprayed lands haha.

Lets see here some nutrient mining out fit using machines leaking oils grease, and Gas crushing these minerals

Of course its impossible for cross contamination right or higher metal content
That cannot happen no way impossible
Seriously how the fuck do we really know unless were actually doing it all our self's growing fields , feeding your own cattle

I wonder how many here use Guano lets see here most all south American cultavators use Chemical nutrients.
Its easy to guess sure the must also use chemical pesticides as well .
But anyways insects that live survive off plants bats eat insects bat shit contaminated with chemicals

But getting back to chemical pesticides Building on the fact that many organic pesticides haven’t been tested for safety, now we see that farmers are having to use more because they’re not as effective as the chemicals used in conventional farming.

I’m not sure what’s more dangerous – consuming a larger quantity of organic chemicals that have NOT been tested for safety, or consuming a lesser quantity of chemicals that have been tested for safety…

So as you ponder on the fact that your plants are unhealthy and using organic remedies that make you feel better multiple applications .
you can be rest assure that the one chemical pesticide got rid of the issue first application and that the unhealthy plant has better odds of thriving and growing much faster then the other

Exactly......if I only could have said it so elegantly.

 

[Natural]

Well i guess it all depends on what your dealing with and which route is the better route to go .
Pest management tools. Such tools include mechanical, biological and cultural controls as well as
Each situation is unique and farmers are committed to making the right choice for their farm and the environment. They use pesticides when they are the best tool to control the particular pest threatening their crop.

Plain and simple because at the end of the day know one really gives a shit.

You know Joe Blow tells you oh yeah this as all organic grown no chemical pesticides or anything .
To make you feel better and To make the Sale .

But fails to tell you that the manures he bought most likely came from cows grazing on GMO chemically sprayed lands haha.

Lets see here some nutrient mining out fit using machines leaking oils grease, and Gas crushing these minerals

Of course its impossible for cross contamination right or higher metal content
That cannot happen no way impossible
Seriously how the fuck do we really know unless were actually doing it all our self's growing fields , feeding your own cattle

I wonder how many here use Guano lets see here most all south American cultavators use Chemical nutrients.
Its easy to guess sure the must also use chemical pesticides as well .
But anyways insects that live survive off plants bats eat insects bat shit contaminated with chemicals

But getting back to chemical pesticides Building on the fact that many organic pesticides haven’t been tested for safety, now we see that farmers are having to use more because they’re not as effective as the chemicals used in conventional farming.

I’m not sure what’s more dangerous – consuming a larger quantity of organic chemicals that have NOT been tested for safety, or consuming a lesser quantity of chemicals that have been tested for safety…

So as you ponder on the fact that your plants are unhealthy and using organic remedies that make you feel better multiple applications .
you can be rest assure that the one chemical pesticide got rid of the issue first application and that the unhealthy plant has better odds of thriving and growing much faster then the other

Purptrain..you are so utterly full of shit..you're a danger to our industry. In fact your practices would never qualify in places that test the end product. End of story.

Listed organic pesticides are tested by definition. Often do not cause resistance and are not used as indiscriminately like ag chem pesticides are. The way a pesticide persists in the environment and plant often determine whether or not it can be used safely on food crops. Your argument falls flat.
Do yourself a favor and peruse the accepted pesticide list in Oregon. That's where the entire industry is headed.

You need to ask around and see how many people used imid on their plants and how damaging it is to the plant in general.
It's very likely it will come out like bunk weed compared to it's original funk.

 

[Savage Henry]

Good IPM is prevention at it's core

Hit the nail on the head right there, buddy.

 

[NightsWatch]

Purptrain..you are so utterly full of shit..you're a danger to our industry. In fact your practices would never qualify in places that test the end product. End of story.

Listed organic pesticides are tested by definition. Often do not cause resistance and are not used as indiscriminately like ag chem pesticides are. The way a pesticide persists in the environment and plant often determine whether or not it can be used safely on food crops. Your argument falls flat.
Do yourself a favor and peruse the accepted pesticide list in Oregon. That's where the entire industry is headed.

You need to ask around and see how many people used imid on their plants and how damaging it is to the plant in general.
It's very likely it will come out like bunk weed compared to it's original funk.

If a farmer has a pest, fungus or weed problem, he or she has to address it with a toxic agent or suffer the consequences. Pesticides certified for use by organic farmers, like conventional ones, are designed to kill (with all of the environmental health consequences that entails) – if they did not, they obviously would not be used.

The condition for organic pesticides is that they must originally come from a natural source, but this does not imply that natural chemicals are any less deadly (Ebola is natural). The only difference between organic pesticides and those used in conventional farming is that organic toxins are rarely tested for health and environmental safety

and if we ever decide to start testing organic approved pesticides, we will probably have similar results. The problem is that the organic industry lobby lies about the safety of conventionally-farmed produce day-in, day-out

There are three big lies that the organic food lobbyists commit every moment of every day that indicate either a total brain-washed stupidity or a complete lack of integrity (… probably both).

Organic food costs more because they do not use pesticides lol It is one thing to lie about the widespread use of pesticides on organic food, but to do so in order to charge more money to consumers you have just frightened is a charlatanism worthy of imprisonment.

Organic food is safer ? This is in fact not only a blatant lie, it is reckless endangerment. We have volumes of data on synthetic pesticides, and regular testing of these residues on food – we have nothing at all about the safety of pesticides used on organic produce. What is worse, consumers have been led to believe they only have to rinse conventionally farmed produce – that there are no toxic residues on organic produce. All produce needs to be properly rinsed, not to wash away trace elements of pesticide residues, but to prevent the spread of pathogens like E coli (which is much more prevalent in organic produce.

Organic farming is safe for the environment because they do not use pesticides ? Many of the pesticides approved for use in organic farming on the Risk-Monger Dirty Dozen list below have proven to be highly toxic to bees and other wildlife – far more than the well-tested neonicotinoids that the organic industry has put so much effort into raising doubt on. Just because something is natural in its origin does not mean it has no effect on the environment (just think of an oil spill!)

 

[NightsWatch]

All of the pesticides approved for use in organic farming in the Risk-Monger Dirty Dozen list below have an LD50 toxicity measurement much lower than glyphosate (meaning they are more toxic).

The Risk-Monger’s Dirty Dozen

1 – Boron (LD50: 560 mg/kg)

Boron is used by organic farmers as a fertiliser. Prolonged or repeated ingestion of boron residues may affect the brain, liver and heart. Chronic poisoning (from ingestion, skin absorption, or absorption from body cavities or mucous membranes) causes anorexia, weight loss, vomiting, mild diarrhea, skin rash, alopecia, convulsions (or other nervous system disturbances), and anemia. I can never understand how organic lobbyists criticise the use of synthetic fertilisers when they promote boron or cow manure.

2 – Acetic Acid (LD50 3310 mg/kg)

The EFSA 2013 risk assessment on acetic acid found many data gaps and the need for further information, in the same way as neonicotinoids had data gaps, but they did not ban the use of acetic acid in organic farming because, at a more diluted level, this chemical is known as vinegar … and humans eat it.

Acetic acid at a concentration equal or above 90% used in organic farming is classified, in the US, for skin corrosion as “1A” and must have the hazard statement H314 “Causes severe skin burns and eye damage”. Studies have identified high long-term risk for mammals, a high risk for honeybees and for non-target arthropods. Often pro-organic activists promote a cocktail of acetic acid, salt and soap as an herbicidal alternative to glyphosate. See an analysis of how much more toxic this mixture is to humans and the environment than glyphosate.

3 – Copper sulphate (LD50: 300 mg/kg)

Copper sulphate is used as a fungicide by organic farmers in over 100 applications despite its far higher toxicity when compared to synthetic alternatives. See a comparison between the organic use of copper sulphate and the much less toxic Mancozeb (LD50 11,200 mg/kg), the synthetic equivalent, used by conventional farmers.

It is widely known that copper sulphate is nasty stuff for humans, animals and the environment. Here are some quotes from a pro-organic research document produced by Cornell University.

“Copper sulfate is highly toxic to fish. Even at recommended rates of application, this material may be poisonous to trout and other fish, especially in soft or acid waters. … Injury to the brain, liver, kidneys, and stomach and intestinal linings may occur in copper sulfate poisoning. Copper sulfate can be corrosive to the skin and eyes. … Vineyard sprayers experienced liver disease after 3 to 15 years of exposure to copper sulfate solution in Bordeaux mixture.”

This toxic chemical is approved for organic farming around the world.



The following quote catalogues the “hypocrite fatigue” that those in the organic food industry lobby must be feeling in continuing to promote the use of copper sulphate on organic produce:

It causes reproductive problems in birds, hamsters and rats. It has been shown to induce heart disease in the offspring of pregnant hamsters that were exposed to it. It has caused endocrine tumors in chickens. Copper sulfate and similar fungicides have been poisonous to sheep and chickens on farms at normal application rates. … They are very toxic to fish and aquatic invertebrates, such as crab, shrimp and oysters. There are cases where most animal life in soil, including large earthworms, have been eliminated by the extensive use of copper-containing fungicides in orchards. It is strongly bioaccumulated and is very persistent. Once a soil is contaminated with copper, there is no practical way to remove it.”

The European Commission is suggesting that the use of copper as an organic pesticide should be “minimised”. … Should be minimised? Couldn’t the Commission at least say: “Pretty please”? One cannot help but notice the soft-handed hypocrisy among EU regulators, forced by environmental activists to come down hard on less toxic, well-tested synthetic pesticides, and look the other way on clear evidence of one of the nastiest, highly toxic (organic) pesticides known to man. There is some serious stupid going on here!!!

4 – Pyrethrin (LD50 ranges from 200 mg/kg to 2,600 mg/kg)

Pyrethrin (in different forms and nomenclature) comes originally from chemicals extracted from flowers but now the toxic properties have been identified and synthetically manufactured (although still allowed for organic applications). It is a good thing that pyrethrins are synthetically manufactured given the environmental burden of hundreds of thousands of tonnes of flowersbeing produced solely for organic pesticide production.

Rather than calling these highly toxic chemicals: “pesticides”, many lobbyists for the organic industry have chosen to refer to pyrethrins with the more benign term: insecticidal soap. I am sorry, but pyrethrins, naturally sourced they may be, are known neurotoxins. If I started showering with neurotoxins, I would like the authorities to let me know, and I would NOT call them “soap”! Who are they trying to fool?

Some frightening quotes once again from that pro-organic farming study from Cornell:

“Pyrethrum is highly toxic to bees. The average lethal dose (LD50) for honeybees was measured at .022 micrograms per bee (Casida & Quistad 1995). Direct hits on honeybees and beneficial wasps are likely to be lethal … Cox (2002) cites several studies indicating the possibility of a connection between pyrethrins and cancer, including one study showing a 3.7-fold increase in leukemia among farmers who had handled pyrethrins compared to those who had not. In 1999, a USEPA memo classified pyrethrins as “likely to be a human carcinogen by the oral route”.

It should be noted that when European farmers were denied access to neonicotinoids by the well-lobbied and activist-influenced EFSA Bee Risk Assessment Working Group, the alternative the farmers had to turn to in order to protect their oil-seed rape was this much less efficient, highly bee-toxic class of pyrethrins. I cannot find the words to express the absurdity of all of this!

5 – Hydrogen peroxide

The HD50 toxicity measurement depends on the degree of concentration, but hydrogen peroxide is used by organic farmers as a general disinfectant to kill microorganisms on contact (so the more concentrated, the better).

It is often used to control bacterial and fungal pathogens. Once again, the pro-organic Cornell study warns: “Exposed, treated seed may be hazardous to birds and other wildlife. It is also highly toxic to bees and other beneficial insects exposed to direct contact; it should not be applied or allowed to drift onto blooming crops or weeds when bees are actively foraging. Similarly, it should not be applied or allowed to drift onto crops where beneficials are part of an integrated pest management strategy.” Organic industry lobbyists and NGO save-the-bee campaigners say the very same things about neonicotinoids. The difference is that the pesticide industry has worked hard to lower the exposure from the applications of neonic seed dressings or drift, while the organic industry lobby doesn’t seem to give a toss.

6 – Lime sulphur (LD50: 820 mg/kg)

Lime sulphur is made by boiling lime and sulphur together. It is sprayed on fruit trees to control diseases such as blight anthracnose, powdery mildew and some insects including scales, thrips and eriophyid mites. The Cornell studystates: “Lime sulfur can be fatal if inhaled, swallowed, or absorbed through the skin. It is extremely caustic and can cause irreversible eye damage and skin burns. If mixed with an acid, it may give off extremely toxic and flammable hydrogen sulfide gas (Meister & Sine 2009).” It is extremely toxic to earthworms which play an important role in soil remediation and regeneration. For humans, it has the potential to burn exposed skin and eyes. In the US, lime sulphur has been assigned a DANGER rating.

7 – Rotenone (LD50: 132 mg/kg)

A small amount of rotenone will kill all of the fish in your pond. This deadly, highly toxic chemical is still available for use by organic farmers in products combined with pyrethrins (also highly toxic – see above) in products like Red Arrow. The Risk-Monger was shocked to learn not only that this bee-killer was not banned, but that PAN even looked the other way when faced with the nasty environmental and human consequences of this toxic (natural) chemical. Organic advocates like to claim that rotenone has been taken off of the market (also in comments on my blogs), but they fail to acknowledge that it has recently been re-approved.

Consuming organic food with residues of rotenone can enhance the onset of Parkinson ’s disease. It is a pity that organic food is not tested for (natural) chemical residues so consumers could be aware of their health risks.

8 – Nicotine sulphate (LD50: 50-60 mg/kg)

Nicotine is natural, and thus approved for organic farming to control aphids, thrips, mites and other insects. It is amusing to have seen so many pro-organic campaigners arguing against the use of neonicotinoids by saying that these synthetic pesticides were using nicotine. Yes … and, like bt, so were organic farmers. But how toxic is this natural, organic-approved neurotoxin? Very! In the US, nicotine sulphate carries a Danger warning. It is an organic neurotoxin that interferes with the transmitter substance between nerves and muscles. Tests have shown that nicotine sulphate has caused abnormalities in the offspring of laboratory animals and a New Jersey State study revealed that nicotine sulphate poisoning of organic gardeners can lead to increased blood pressure levels, irregular heart-rate, and, in certain cases, death.

What does the Pesticide Action Network say about this toxic organic pesticide? Well, PAN recognises that this pesticide is probably bad news but in most cases says there is insufficient data, and recognises that it is still sold for organic farming (mea culpa!). Nicotine sulphate did not seem to make their dirty dozen list!

9 – Azadirachtin (LD50: 3,540 mg/kg)

Also known as neem oil, this toxic pesticide approved for organic farming (particularly for apples) puts all synthetic pesticides to shame in its ability to massacre foraging bee populations. The Risk-Monger has called for a ban of this nasty natural chemical that EU studies have acknowledged kills 50% of bee populations when exposed to a dose level 50 times lower than the recommended dose set for organic farmers. My demand flies in the face of the campaigning of the main organic lobby, IFOAM, who is begging the EU not to put safety requirements or data demands on Azidirachtin that would restrict this bee-killing pesticide because they claim that there are no other alternatives for organic apple growers. Hey IFOAM – how about using less toxic synthetic pesticides in order to protect bees? Unbelievable!

As for other health risks from Azadirachtin outside of bees:

“One of the most popular organic pesticides, neem, is toxic to non-target species including crustaceans and tadpoles. Neem has been shown to cause the brain disease toxic encephalopathy in children. In mice, it causes chromosomal abnormalities in bone marrow cells and damages the DNA of sperm.”

I challenged the biased anti-industry activist scientists from the IUCN Taskforce on Systemic Pesticides to disprove the correlation between the decline in bee populations with the rise in organic farming (a correlation far more accurate that that drawn with neonicotinoids). These researchers have refused to look at the data (perhaps they could not find the funding from their pro-organic industry Sugar Daddies), but Azadirachtin is perhaps the best indication that organic farming is as dangerous to biodiversity, if not more, than any well-tested synthetic pesticide that the organic industry is trying to ban.

10 – Methyl bromide (LD50: 214 mg/kg)

Methyl bromide is a fumigant used by organic farmers to combat spiders, mites, fungi, plants, insects, nematodes, and rodents. Animal studies show that methyl bromide can affect the brain, kidneys, nose, heart, adrenal glands, liver, testes, and lungs. Methyl bromide also contributes to the destruction of the ozone layer. Because of the high risk of poisoning, it is strongly advised that organic farmers get professional sprayers to apply methyl bromide.

11 – Homemade concoctions (LD50: ???)

One of the most frightening things about the explosion of amateur organic farmers is the wide availability of recipes for these hobby farmers to make their own pesticides in kitchen sinks. Earlier in this blog, we provided a link to a site showing that a homemade mixture of salt, vinegar and soap was more toxic as an herbicide than glyphosate. Mother Earth News offers a wide selection of home-brews with base chemicals that are not designed for consumption or direct release into the environment. Most small organic farmers do not have a sufficient knowledge of basic chemistry to be making their own pesticides.

If NGO activists are campaigning against chemicals because of the unknown risks from chemical cocktails, why are they condoning all of these organic pesticide concoctions being dumped onto the soil and on people’s untested food?

12 – Citronella oil, eucalyptus oil, garlic extract

A recent study published in the Oxford Journal of Insect Science showed that when adult worker bees ingested citronella oil, eucalyptus oil, garlic extract, neem oil, or rotenone, they suffered from 42% to 60% higher mortality rates than workers fed with uncontaminated control diets.

While the Risk-Monger has in the past questioned the value of lab-tests that fed bees any chemical contaminants, we need to be reminded that farmers today have been denied the crop protection benefits of three neonicotinoids on the basis of data from lab tests alone (sanctified by EFSA). If these types of lab-based feeding tests also show that bees have a 42% to 62% higher mortality from exposure to organic pesticides then EFSA and the European Commission need to decide whether they want to ban all pesticides, approved for organic or conventional farming applications, or get a little bit more reasonable and consistent in how they regulate what farmers can and cannot use on their crops. Just because a bunch of loud-mouthed activists have money to run silly campaigns, does not mean that regulators have to listen to their nonsense.

The same, but different?

The only difference then between conventional synthetic pesticides and organic farming approved pesticides is that with the synthetic plant protection products you get mountains of safety data and regular pesticide residue monitoring while with organic-approved pesticides, you pay a lot more money to get nice feel-good stories built on well-fabricated lies that they are safer for human consumption, bees and the environment.

I am fully aware that facts don’t matter and you want to feel good about the food you eat, but are you really OK with giving your money to this group of well-funded liars in the organic industry lobby?

Disclaimer: Although these pesticides approved for organic farming are far more toxic than glyphosate (or almost any other well-tested conventional pesticide), the purpose of this exercise is to highlight the stupidity and lack of integrity of the fear-mongers who attack conventional crop protection materials in order to try to gain market share for organic food. The risk to any well-tested pesticides is so low compared to other natural toxic exposures as to make any activist fear-campaigning ridiculous and unfounded.

There are more toxins in that cup of coffee you drank while reading this blog than in an entire year of conventional pesticide residues on the fruit and vegetables you consume (and probably organic pesticide consumption as well, but I am afraid there, we just don’t know because there is no pressure from NGOs like PAN to test them). My intention was not to make people more afraid, but to realise how gullible we have become to such mal-intentioned individuals paid by the organic food industry lobby.

How do you deal with stupid?

So what should we make of all of this? Two points, first that the organic lobby (from the organic trade associations to the Food Babes and Mamavations of the world) have been knowingly lying in making people afraid about our well-tested, safe food chain. Secondly, that they are either very stupid people for thinking that their pesticides are not as toxic or that they think the rest of us are stupid for believing them (probably both).

 

[NightsWatch]

and to add more stupid into the equation is someone posting some online or organic witch craft brew ?
Or making there own herbicide or pesticide

One of the most frightening things about the explosion of amateur organic farmers is the wide availability of recipes for these hobby farmers to make their own pesticides in kitchen sinks. Earlier in this blog, we provided a link to a site showing that a homemade mixture of salt, vinegar and soap was more toxic as an herbicide than glyphosate. Mother Earth News offers a wide selection of home-brews with base chemicals that are not designed for consumption or direct release into the environment. Most small organic farmers do not have a sufficient knowledge of basic chemistry to be making their own pesticides.

 

[Natural]

Fuck me..that is some slanted horse shit. Easy enough to see right through that. You are the copy/paste master.
You can change your name every other month..but your fucked agenda shines through blatantly.
I see you pretending to be relevant to discussions about US law and politics..yet you are just some low life canadian GMO farmer spewing slanted propaganda that is only meant to profit the agro-chem industry.
You don't belong in this community.

 

[NightsWatch]

Fuck me..that is some slanted horse shit. Easy enough to see right through that. You are the copy/paste master.
You can change your name every other month..but your fucked agenda shines through blatantly.
I see you pretending to be relevant to discussions about US law and politics..yet you are just some low life canadian GMO farmer spewing slanted propaganda that is only meant to profit the agro-chem industry.
You don't belong in this community.

It appears i am relevant and you are trolling
If you look at the thread title the person is asking for best chemical pesticides but as usual the organic lobbyist come in here like your self to disrupt it to litterally attacking me or any member that does not agree with what you think is right
You know the threats you do not belong in this forum blah blah shit this forum is a wide selection from Chemical nutrients to Chemical pesticides to organic growing to Organic witch craft pesticides brews.

So maybe you should move along son because in reality if you got nothing good to put in then your more or less trolling
An you do not belong in this comunity

If you can not agree to disagree with some respect move along

Copy or paste or not Facts are facts

And for your info Yes i do grow organic with out any herbicides or pesticides so i must be doing something right , and as well grow chemically and use pesticides and insecticides liberally as per safety Data sheets :)
That is what most Good farmers do an yes i grow GMO

 

[Natural]

slants are slants..you're a forum troll. I'm not your son..talk like that to me in person and see if you can still walk away.
Sincerely, do canadians have any kind of list of products that are acceptable to use on cannabis and what is not? Do they leave it up to ill-informed jerk-offs like you? I can't wrap my head around your thinking. Don't you have some harsh chems to ingest?

 

[GrowGod]

Bait..hook..lol

Is this a catch and release stream??? LoL

 

[Natural]

Is this a catch and release stream??? LoL

old Jsmokes seems to hail from your backyard..how do you feel about his thinking? Perhaps you'd like to give his buds a spin? I don't..the only way to avoid this bullshit is to grow and smoke your own..thank you green rush

 

[GrowGod]

old Jsmokes seems to hail from your backyard..how do you feel about his thinking? Perhaps you'd like to give his buds a spin? I don't..the only way to avoid this bullshit is to grow and smoke your own..thank you green rush

Who is jsmokes? Night watch? I feel the organic label is something for people to feel "safe" about. I'm more interested in a responsible farmer then a organic farmer.
How often are these organic farms even observed?
I buy some of the worlds best coffee sourced from small farms across the globe and 95% of it is not organic certified. But it's grown with passion and love of family farms who are responsible. The only way to know for sure everything you put in your body is clean is to test it. Which is pretty much impossible unless your really rich. With all the technology today you would think someone would invent a home test kit lol
And when I see the organic people shopping for body wash lotion etc. at Walmart.... I want to sit them down and tell them how these none organic products there putting on there skin is going into there blood stream and being filtered through the liver:speechless: :smoking:

 

[Natural]

you think nightswatch is aka jsmokes aka purpletrain? That might be true..I have no idea. That would be mental.
He has a real bug up his ass for some douche bag that turned him in..maybe he's more subversive than any one could imagine?
The conversation is how to maintain a cannabis garden. I'll fight with every bone in my body to keep folks safe from toxic practices. I don't spray or apply any pesticide organic or not in flower period. I've used horsetail tea as a fungicide and used BTi in the soil line. That's the extent of it. This is not a conversation about what organic food farmers may or may not use vs conventional. The folks with a commercial cannabis license in Rec states are under scrutiny. The list is short what can and cannot be used. The folks feeding the black market should feel the same pressure. Bad practices have been so commonplace..greed being the main factor..it's sickening.

 

[JSmokes420]

Evidently people are able to read an entire paragraph and not grasp anything they're reading. Maybe if I stamped the paragraph organically certified???

Natural.....take your wannabe hippie shit elsewhere. Your uninformed organic lobbyist propaganda is not welcome here. Don't seem to have the slightest clue what neurotoxin is do you?

I made this awesome new organic pesticide with hemlock. Want to spray your plants down?

Continue to personally insult me and I will make a point to troll every thread you post.......this is supposed to be a place for open discussion. You don't like my method? Cool now Shut the Fuck Up. Go be an Internet Bully elsewhere, nobody is buying the tough guy routine. Start your own little organic is better thread and type that bullshit over and over again till you believe it.........

Organics the New Religion......Fuck Off I'm Atheist.......

So just keep spraying your homemade bathroom crank all over those plants telling yourself it's safe.......I'm not going to.......

I've offered to have my meds tested, you just have to foot the bill. My bet is you have never even had your own tested.