Cheap alternatives to overpriced hydroponic nutrients

[Chronic Monster]

to bad he couldnt play well with others, he was always getting banned at every forum

 

[Quantrill]

Because Fatman didn't know his ass from a hole on the ground.

 

[med man]

to be honest

i found all of fatmans stuff to be very knowledgeable

med-man

 

[Quantrill]

You'd be better off reading dr Lynette Morgan and George hockmuth than fat mans copy paste.

 

[med man]

cool

didnt want to steer this awesome thread off course

was just looking for a real answer to the my question. no worries if no one has one other then the posted comments in the back

med-man

 

[Quantrill]

sorry man, guess I woke up with a shitty attitude today.

to make a calcium and magnesium concentrate you should use magnesium nitrate not magnesium sulfate.

if you mix calcium salts in concentration with sulfate salts in concentration, your likely to get some precipitation of Calcium Sulfate.

 

[med man]

hi quantrill

thanks man

i wasnt tryna ruffle any feathers. was just curious is all. i found the past comment about this mix to be a bit aloofish

thanks again

happy gregorian new year everyone

med-man

 

[Camdawg]

Running the Jacks blog recipe of 4.07g/gal of Jacks, 2.44g/gal calcium nitrate and .5g/gal of epsom salts. This is the 1.67:1 ratio, and I am not quite a full week into using it.

Any news?

 

[Fresh Starts]

I've been using jacks in botanicare cocogro. I'm mixing with a PPM pen but for larger batches I'd prefer to use a scale. In the near future I'll be mixing stock solutions and use that. I've got some pics of my nursery down below. I am really enjoying the symmetrical growth.:happy:

 

[mekannic]

[From the jrpeters blog page:]

"The 5-12-26 + Calcium Nitrate is a great vegetative fertilizer if you need to modify your nitrogen needs or to fit in with your specific water types. This combo can be used to grow a wide range of crops from lettuces, herbs, and fruiting crops. In its simplest formula you can mix ½ tsp. of each product in a gallon of water. I generally do not recommend this rate, but if you only need a small amount, it works. To make 10 gallons of solution follow this formula:
In 10 gallons of water, dissolve 1.3 ounces of 5-12-26, when that is totally dissolved add 1 tablespoon of Epsom salts for extra Magnesium and Sulfur. Finally add in .86 ounces of Calcium Nitrate. This will give you 150ppm of Nitrogen, which is the perfect rate for growing hydroponically.

M.O.S.T- mix of soluble trace- This is a fully soluble package of micronutrients. This is great to have on hand if you are growing in RO or very pure water. Remember that all of our fertilizers except Calcium Nitrate have a micronutrient package."

I just ordered the 4lb + 4lb combo pack; I'm on city well water so I don't think I need MOST.

thank you for these numbers. i am not sure if this is approximately equal to the 3-1-2 ratios, but this is what i needed. a place to start. the math is just too much for me and i am NOT an abstract thinker and the addtion of ideas and concepts about individual elements is out of my league.

10 gal for me is on the extreme high end. i imagine i could do a five gal batch and use it before bad things start happening.

i am thinking that my water source is not conducive to what i am trying to do so i definitely am considering the most because i am really wanting to start with ro water or maybe distilled from the store. that will be an experiment all on it's own, comparing my water with these other types.

elsewhere in this thread someone has advised against the use of mgso4 so i am considering trying to locate a source for mg(no3)2. i am guessing it can be found fairly easy. i bet ebay has it.

anyway, to make a short story a whole lot unnecessarily longer, thank you for the direct numbers as a starting place for me. especially in the small quantities. i know it's going to be a whole lot harder to get consistent results working with such small numbers, but right now i think it's better than making WAY too much and having to discard the leftovers. although i guess the lawn would be real happy with that, huh?

thanks

 

[seaslug]

I'm patiently waiting here in balmy Seattle as my Jack's travels slowly across the winter country from Pennsylvania.

I found out why my Veg+Bloom reservoir kept getting algae every week--they add carbohydrates. The plants don't seem to mind the ml per gallon of 29% H2O2 I add now, and not a trace of algae.

 

[mekannic]

wow, where do you get that concentrated h2o2?

i thought i would try to get some mg(no3)2 from somewhere but unless i can find it locally it ain't gonna happen. apparently that stuff is worse than nh4no3. used in explosives and will get you on a federal watchlist not to mention the hazmat shipping charges.

how long will a nutrient solution last before anything bad happens? and what besides algae can go wrong?

thanks.

 

[Ttystikk2]

Any news?

Yes. Works like the Dickens. I'm running it in flower, in the veg stage I'm running a 1.25:1 ratio, also highly effective.

 

[Camdawg]

Yes. Works like the Dickens. I'm running it in flower, in the veg stage I'm running a 1.25:1 ratio, also highly effective.

Hope all is well dude. Would you say it's better then 321?

 

[seaslug]

I bought the hydrogen peroxide at a local grow shop. It was improperly stored in an attic for two or three summers so it is probably less than the label's 29%. Some people said they can only get 23% because of the tearists but my Whitmire brand still seems to be available:

 

[oscar169]

I ordered some software that has all of the nute companies nutes reverse engineered, nutrient calcs, etc, to make your own nutes. It just arrived yesterday, and I haven't had a chance to look at it, but I will post it up here if I find some good info through it.

On the gardens cure thread, the user cavadge describes his success with a formula close to fatmans, that is not lucas (actually almost the reverse of lucas) using no grow at all. Have you played with this formula at all?

@Capulator What is this software ? need a link to it Bro, I'm diving head first into this shit...:cigar:

 

[Shamus]

i can get 34% h202 at my local shop

 

[splakdawg]

HEY GUYS
I PULLED A BONEHEAD MOVE TODAY I MIXED MY JACKS AS I USUALLY DO BUT FORGOT TO ADD THE EPSOM SALT, SHOULD I BE WORRIED?

 

[GR33NL3AF]

Not at all there is Mag in the Jacks Hydro

 

[splakdawg]

Not at all there is Mag in the Jacks Hydro

THX FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE GREENLEAF