Cheap alternatives to overpriced hydroponic nutrients

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the postman killed it today.

My inbox:

-1 pack of white fire.
-JR peters ferts.

stoked. :banana1sv6:

 

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Did you order the Hydroponic plus Calcium Nitrate?

of course buddy!:cool0041:

 

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make sure you label your jacks:

Someone in the house could mistake it for listerine...

 

[epicseeds]

interesting thread

IMO miracle grow should be used for flowers and lawns - things you wont ingest or smoke

fwiw = for whats its worth

+1 ^^^ :pimp:

This really shows the knowledge of the mods here :sweating

These Jacks Ferts are of the highest quality people. They are made of the same exact ingredients found in your precious AN and 3 part nutrients.

 

[SCARHOLE]

This really shows the knowledge of the mods here :sweating

These Jacks Ferts are of the highest quality people. They are made of the same exact ingredients found in your precious AN and 3 part nutrients.

I have to agree, everything in AN Nutes are available at a good garden store.
Some how they duped folks into thinking you have to grow MJ with them to have great results an taste?

I use MG nutes by choice for years.
It's given me alot of GREAT bud.

It not the bow, it's the Indian.

 

[Snowblind]

Snowblind are you using RO, is that why you are using the epsom salts with the Jacks Hydroponic?

Do you think you will have to add any additional calnit with the hydro herb or the bloom booster?

I tried to look if most of the nitrogen in the bloom is nitrate but is really hard for me to read, I wish they would get rid of that black backround.


Sorry about all the questions and thanks for all the work you are doing with Jacks.

Im using the Jacks Hydroponic and added Epsom salts at 1/2 to 1 gram per gallon. I run the Jacks at 75% concentration. Full str has 63 ppm of Mg aprox so 75% of that is 47.25. I believe just under 3.0 grams per gallon of water of Jacks Hydroponic powder is 75% str. Around 4 grams would be 100% str. Im running it at 100% str for a week during week 3 to see what happens for shits and giggles in one reso.

1 gram of epsom salt has 26 ppm of Mg. I like to keep my Mg around 70ppm. Some strains are fine at 60ish some need a little more maybe over 70. The hydro herb formula looks to have about 5 ppm of Mg per Gram. I used 3 grams per gallon the first time in a reso and figured I had 15 ppm of MG. I then added 2 grams per gallon of water of epsom to try and target 70ppm of mg. 2 grams of epsom should contain 54 ppm of Mg + 15 = 69 ppm of Mg.


The Blossom Booster contains 10% N of which 5% is ammoniacal nitrogen and 5% is Nitrate...

The Jacks Blossom booster is 10-30-20 and is made to use with the hydro herb in flower. You will also need to add epsom salts. Like 2 grams per gallon!

10-20-30= 25ppm N 33 ppm P and 41 ppm of K......


Calcium Nitrate is needed for the Hydroponic Formula only. The Jacks has no Calcium because Calcium and Phosphorus dont like each other! The jacks has 50 ppm of N, after mixing in the Calcium Nitrate it has 150ppm of N. This is a little high. Hence the need to run a smaller percent of this concentration. I like my ppm of N to be less than 120. Or at least I always used to think this.

The Hydro Herb is low in Calcium so depending on the available calcium in your water water who knows what the ppm will be. Someone get a water sample!

 

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filled the res with jacks last night at lights on. EC at 1.5 (A litttle high I think), going to try to get it down to 1.1 next time. USed 3 grams hydro, 2 grams cal, and 1 gram epsom per gal.

Checked them at lights on today. Girls are noticeably greener and look healthy as F***.

They are on day 8, and grew between around 5 inches average in one day.

I am sold. Never had results like this with Botanicare, Advanced, Grotek, HnG, or GH.

PLants drank a gallon each, and ph drifted from 5.7 to 6.0. Adjusted back down to 5.6.

 

[homebrew420]

All outstanding info. I had been planning to make the switch myself. saw this thread and read from beginning to end. Nice work all. We will be ordering the Jacks today. After seeing what was done over at the Mag. It was a no brainer. We run 16 70+ gal res' So this is going to save us a crap load of cash. These folks been using Botanicare gr, bl, sweet (Why?), and hygrozyme, with a Supernatural booster in flower. Never did understand that. It will be fixed. thanks again for all who contributed.

Peace

 

[Snowblind]

Tonight I mixed up 3.0g-1.8g-3/4g and the ppm was low maybe 800 on my .5 meter.

 

[Rushoe]

I don't think it gets more easy then this one scoop of maxibloom per gallon of tap water (150/250 ppm) with maxi added thats about 1320/1350 ppms works great I add molasses here and there and these were given a few powder kool bloom slams here and there as well. 16 pounds of maxibloom is about 80 bucks with shipping on ebay that would be enough for a few years I think for me...so I think this is the best way to go k.i.s.s. I have better results then with my tweak lucas with ro water and calmag think I am making the swap to indoor maxibloom as well.

 

[organicness]

So I've been following this thread for the past few months soaking it in and despite my handle, I really wanna use Jack's.

What I'm trying to figure out is if the new hydro herb is where I should be looking or use the tried and trusted hydro/calnit combo with epsom salts. The cal/nit can be toned down during flower a bit, right? It just seems to have such a great p/k ratio (the pro hydro) and can't quite find a good combo on their site to go along with the hydro herb to give me what I'm looking for in the p/k department.

 

[Snowblind]

Get the tried and true hydroponic formula. I would wait on the new hydro herb. Im still figuring it out myself.

You can play with the N and C ratios by adjusting the amount of Calcium Nitrate used.

Calcium Nitrate(CaNo3) is 15.5-0-0 on the label. 1 gram = 41ppm of N and 50ppm of Ca.

 

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Cool, will do. Thanks for all your work and time in documenting all of this, and everyone else's too. It's real exciting!

 

[H3AD_CAS3]

^^ I think we are taking a step backward as far as moving on, toward a Hydro Herb + Bloom Booster combination. I believe the underlying idea is to be as close to a 3-1-4 mix during flower and possibly changing this combo to at most 2-1-2 during flower. A booster that is 20-30-20 does not accomplish this for us. With that being said I still bought both 1lb. of Hydro Herb and 8 oz of the Blossom Booster (along with the Hydro/CalNit combo). For experimental purposes. :rock:

 

[Snowblind]

^^ I think we are taking a step backward as far as moving on, toward a Hydro Herb + Bloom Booster combination. I believe the underlying idea is to be as close to a 3-1-4 mix during flower and possibly changing this combo to at most 2-1-2 during flower. A booster that is 20-30-20 does not accomplish this for us. With that being said I still bought both 1lb. of Hydro Herb and 8 oz of the Blossom Booster (along with the Hydro/CalNit combo). For experimental purposes. :rock:

Im still happy with 3-1-4 myself!!!!! Hydro Herb is intriguing, playing around with it now with 1 reso in flower and the plants are rocking. Still have gotten the right person on the phone. She is a busy lady! Also the Blossom Booster is 10-30-20 not 20-30-20.

 

[organicness]

I had just heard from peters and the girl there said that hydro herb is perfect for the whole growing cycle and to only use the blossom booster once to initiate flowering, and then continue to use hydro herb on it's own for the rest of flowering, and that the extra N isn't an issue as it'll give the plants what they need during the whole fruiting cycle. Seems like it'd be quite a bit of N to use during flowering, though. But figured I'd pass along the information.

 

[desertsquirrel]

I haven't used jacks, but when i do I'm going to use the original.

The profile is SPOT on imo.

 

[Snowblind]

I want to make it clear to everyone that is afraid of Jacks that will produce the finest tasting hydro herb around. It will burn clean to a grey ash right away as soon as its dry enough to smoke. No poping no tarry black ash. The secret is keeping the P low for most of the flower cycle. Ive grown hydro herb that burns as clean if not cleaner than a lot of organic weed ive smoked from soil. Now Kyle Kushmans veganic StarDawg was a treat and that I wont lie about, however, Jacks from Peters labs is a great low P formula that will astound you.

 

[GreenThumbBill]

Snowblind, can you remind me what concentrations of jacks pro hydro, cal nit and epsom salt you use? Also, do you use the same amount from start to finish or slowly increase it during flowering? I know you've mentioned this already somewhere previously but I couldn't find it.

I was thinking about starting out with 3g JPH, 2g cal nit and 2g epsom salts (per gallon) and sticking with this concentration from start to flush. Please advise. Thanks!