>>>>>>Colorado Medical Marijuana Laws are changing<<<<<<

[sky high]

Some things never change tho, TK.

I look more at the Physics of statements like "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" when I hear statements like yers regarding building with acme bricks vs. houses of cards. I think it wise to always remember that those bricks are also the same bricks being used to build our prisons.

Should be interesting to do that Fed Tax return this year though! (more paper for the trail)

 

[Texas Kid]

Funny thing is, the guys that are doin the most activity, blowin out the most square footage, rockin the most land, killin more houses in residential areas, and pumpin poundage out of warehouses have absolutely nothing to do with the despensary system or patients at all...never have and never will.

This industry is not special in the since that none of the rules and regulations being applied are new...all are tried and true in a few more regulated industries, all have survived the 106 test so to say, so this isn't really any new ground being plowed up.

Regulation is part of the normal evolution of things that generate a ton of money as well as a strong public outcry..no doubt more regs are coming and alot more restrictive more than likely but that will apply to every facet of your life not just where your medicine is made available.

Believe me gang, I don't live in a bubble but I also don't live in fear of what might change in the future...the reality is that we are all breaking the law in the eyes of the feds, patients, caregivers, despensaries, grow stores, etc... you name it and we are all complicate in violating the federal laws of the country....so keep in mind if you have your med card your part of the same system and doesn't really matter at what level you participate, if your in it, your in it with all of us, embrace it.

On another note: get ready for a big suckin sound in the flower market starting right about now...most of the new warehouse startups are not even remotely starting to put out product or alot are realizing they have partnered with a total incompatant grower/thief/methhead or even better they have no clue how to grow themselves but either way it should get thin or at least pretty generic here for a bit...hopefully people will get it together soon. Alot of gig stories of people about to pull down poundage but i am not seein it at all....alot of wishfull thinkin IMO I really think reatail market factors are goin to do more to regulate the despensary industry more thatn you think..if you don't have good product, good selection, and good service your goin to be gone, plain and simple..

Luck favors the prepared mind..

Tex

 

[Tripsick]

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

 

[pikes peak 69]

Here's the latest from the Dept of Rev. They call themselves the MED.


Scroll down about half page and click on the link, draft rule document.

91 pages of rules that will make you pucker if you got any pucker left in ya.

Hell just the surveillance requirements will raise the cost of meds for the sick.


Take Care,
pp69

 

[Sshfan]

That is some scary shit. There are some brave people working for MMC's right now risking everything they own basically if the state decides you aren't legit or the feds step in. We can thanks the lobbyist and politicians for this load of junk they call 1284. Even scarier is the video surveillance external and internal with specific instructions for identifying the customer at every register and tracking every gram purchased.

This 1284 has ruined the MMC scene for me. Not only has it alienated some great caregivers and unique genetics but is steps over the line in regulation something that is much safer than alcohol. These rules are just plain ridiculous. I will keep paying my $90 so the state can rape the fees for this over regulation bs but I will not be put under a microscope when purchasing some meds.

 

[pikes peak 69]

There goes the confidentiality of using this plant.
The fact the MED must be able to override the whole surveillance system. WTF

I could go on for days about this, but one thing is sure.

When they have the meeting to present to the public and get input, WE ALL BETTER BE THERE!!!!

I missed the combo meeting of the DOR and CDPHE on Fri afternoon. I was in bed sick. I don't know what came of it. Any updates from anyone else?

pp69

 

[kuz]

Wonder if this grow they found in Raymond will turn out anything like the one near Deckers last year, 14,000 plants. crazy.

 

[Green Mopho]

I'm thinkin its outdoor illegal mexi-growers

 

[CloneDoc]

"alot are realizing they have partnered with a total incompatant grower/thief/methhead or even better they have no clue how to grow themselves but either way it should get thin or at least pretty generic here for a bit"

i totally agree.

 

[BoCo Buds]

When they have the meeting to present to the public and get input, WE ALL BETTER BE THERE!!!!

I missed the combo meeting of the DOR and CDPHE on Fri afternoon. I was in bed sick. I don't know what came of it. Any updates from anyone else?

pp69

What's up pp?

Had a couple of friends attend the whole day... the biggest observation they gave me was how disappointing it was to see the panel primarily sit mute... no real questioning/input anywhere on the patient/caregiver/real issues.

Not a lot came of the event... or so it has been relayed to me at least... was hoping for more info on the residency issues, but nope.

Peace

 

[Texas Kid]

The one thinng that came out of the meeting that was interesesting was the state attorney general chick saying that it didn't matter what anybody on the panel said, didn't matter what input they recieved, and it didn't matter what collective descisions or recommendations the board came up with..the state is going to do what they want and will apply any rules they want on there own, so it doesn't matter what us or anybody in the community or newly assembled board want, the state is not bound by any of it and she made that real clear.

The rules that Cook poted up for chain of custody of product and the servailence camera requirements are cut and pasted right out of the gaming regulations, word for word...just think of your despensary, at least the way the product is monitored and handled, is just like a casino...cameras everywhere, dealers having to roll their hands back and front in front of the cameras that are on every gaming table, count room cameras, monitoring every single transaction in real time as well as recorded and maintained for 15 days, any payout and the state gets a copy of all your id's as possible, sign income statements, the whole nine yards and we are lookin at exactly the same kind of controll.

Tex

 

[Sshfan]

Can you imagine if they did this for alcohol which is a much more dangerous drug? Scan all drivers licenses on purchase then the state could go back and sue bars for selling drinks to drivers caught in DUI also they could face jail time along side the drunk driver when they injure or kill someone. Full camera at every register so that they can be reviewed later to determine if store or bar sold to already intoxicated person or someone under age. No more cocktail waitresses not enough control of the product.

You could not sell any alcohol or be involved in any alcohol business if you have a DUI or have any alcohol related crime. Banned for Life.

This shit is way over board.

 

[Texas Kid]

Can you imagine if they did this for alcohol which is a much more dangerous drug? Scan all drivers licenses on purchase then the state could go back and sue bars for selling drinks to drivers caught in DUI also they could face jail time along side the drunk driver when they injure or kill someone. Full camera at every register so that they can be reviewed later to determine if store or bar sold to already intoxicated person or someone under age. No more cocktail waitresses not enough control of the product.

You could not sell any alcohol or be involved in any alcohol business if you have a DUI or have any alcohol related crime. Banned for Life.

This shit is way over board.

Except for the ban for life, alcohol sales and distribution is exactly as you discribed...bars are sued and held responsible for serving drunks regularly...go try and buy a drink in Fort Collins without ID, even if your 100 years old, your outta luck..

Liquer stores have a camera on the door, on the register drawer, a few more all over the store, and right on your face when you pay as well..a toll booth takes a picture of your car, your liscence plate and your face all at once every time you go through it.....ya gotta realize we gave up our right to privacy long ago and in every aspect of our daily life....despensaries are just one more place to collect information on the masses.

Tex

 

[RMCG]

Except for the ban for life, alcohol sales and distribution is exactly as you discribed...bars are sued and held responsible for serving drunks regularly...go try and buy a drink in Fort Collins without ID, even if your 100 years old, your outta luck..

Liquer stores have a camera on the door, on the register drawer, a few more all over the store, and right on your face when you pay as well..a toll booth takes a picture of your car, your liscence plate and your face all at once every time you go through it.....ya gotta realize we gave up our right to privacy long ago and in every aspect of our daily life....despensaries are just one more place to collect information on the masses.

Tex

Except liquor stores put in the security system for themselves. To protect themselves, not because the ATF/DOR mandated it. Does the Fat Tire brewery have to have this same surveillance setup? I doubt it. Perhaps they installed it for themselves, to monitor employees, processes, insurance purposes, etc. But I do not believe it is MANDATED by the government.

I agree with your gaming commission analogy though. That section was taken directly from their playbook.

They are blurring the lines between 'cheating / weights and measures' (gambling) and production of a controlled substance (alcohol).

 

[Texas Kid]

They are blurring the lines between 'cheating / weights and measures' (gambling) and production of a controlled substance (alcohol).

Totally agree...and wieghts and measure department can be a real pain in the ass as well, just try and sell some water at a retail outlet...gas stations, nitros fill centers and r/o water centers have those guys up their ass all the time..

I wonder how they are goin to account for water wieght in the buds and the loss over time as people are in and out of the jars....I can loose 7-10grams a QP overnight when the humidity is super low out here..

Tex

 

[RMCG]

Totally agree...and wieghts and measure department can be a real pain in the ass as well, just try and sell some water at a retail outlet...gas stations, nitros fill centers and r/o water centers have those guys up their ass all the time..

I wonder how they are goin to account for water wieght in the buds and the loss over time as people are in and out of the jars....I can loose 7-10grams a QP overnight when the humidity is super low out here..

Tex

With their MED/DOR approved scales of course...

:talking

 

[Sshfan]

Can you imagine if they tracked every ounce of beer made from production to consumer?

Anyway...you are right Tex we are being increasingly regulated but I don't have to agree with it. For patients in great need, the dispensary model will provide access to medicine that some people would not be able to get otherwise. There are some good MMC's out there and I see them as an important part to patient access.

I do believe the patient is going to be on the losing in on this one. I imagine medicine will be prepackaged right after it is weighed for regulation purposes. Maybe this is set at 60% moisture level or some set variable. All the loss of weight will be passed on to the patient.

Get ready for your commercialized 6 pack of herb. No smelling or looking at trichomes its prepackaged and sealed and if opened before you get home it will be the same as opening a beer in the car. Open container. Hope it's as good as the last batch.

 

[Green Mopho]

Didn't that company get the contract with the DOR to label, barcode, and hologram every bag, from grower thru dispensary to consumer. They want to track every ounce.

Seems like there would still be room for error. How can you truly say a bag originated in this grow room or that grow room? Unless maybe your were a real connoisseur and could tell the taste difference in different nutes used, or other little clues, etc.... Are they going to hire a pot connoisseur forensics team for the auditors? Or will they just be mindless government employees with badges and guns?

What if you get a real low yield because of *******, and they come into your 10kW room and only weigh 5 lbs. Are they going to want to search your: car, house, anus, looking for the other 5-10 lbs.? Especially if the last time they came to count, you had 20 lbs. That will be all on record. An occasional low yielding harvest could lead to a full cavity search.

What if you get some super sick numbers in the past, say you were pushing 30 lbs. out of a 10kW room. Will they fine you if you don't have enough patients for that amount of weight? As an MMC?

There are still so many unanswered questions...

 

[Dorje]

There are still so many unanswered questions...

I'm not sure they could make this more of a PITA if they tried. What a clusterfuck.

 

[Funkfingers]

Oh they can and will.. Trust me on that one. I have a feeling we've yet to see the worst of what this bill will do ..