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MrRojos

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The accumulation of silicon (Si) in the shoots varies considerably among plant species, but the mechanism responsible for this variation is poorly understood. The uptake system of Si was investigated in terms of the radial transport from the external solution to the root cortical cells and the release of Si from the cortical cells to the xylem in rice, cucumber, and tomato, which differ greatly in shoot Si concentration. Symplasmic solutions of the root tips were extracted by centrifugation. The concentrations of Si in the root-cell symplast in all species were higher than that in the external solution, although the concentration in rice was 3- and 5-fold higher than that in cucumber and tomato, respectively. A kinetic study showed that the radial transport of Si was mediated by a transporter with a Km value of 0.15 mM in all species, but with different Vmax values in the order of rice>cucumber>tomato. In the presence of the metabolic inhibitor 2,4-dinitrophenol, and at low temperature, the Si concentration in the root-cell symplast decreased to a level similar to that of the apoplasmic solution. These results suggest that both transporter-mediated transport and passive diffusion of Si are involved in the radial transport of Si and that the transporter-mediated transport is an energy-dependent process. The Si concentration of xylem sap in rice was 20- and 100-fold higher than that in cucumber and tomato, respectively. In contrast to rice, the Si concentration in the xylem sap was lower than that in the external solution in cucumber and tomato. A kinetic study showed that xylem loading of Si was also mediated by a kind of transporter in rice, but by passive diffusion in cucumber and tomato. These results indicate that a higher density of transporter for radial transport and the presence of a transporter for xylem loading are responsible for the high Si accumulation in rice.

Key wordsPassive diffusion radial transport silicontransporter uptake xylem loading

Introduction

Silicon (Si) is a beneficial element for plant growth. Silicon helps plants to overcome multiple stresses including biotic and abiotic stresses (for a recent review, see Ma, 2004). For example, Si plays an important role in increasing the resistance of plants to pathogens such as blast on rice (Datnoff et al., 1997) and powdery mildew on cucumber (Miyake and Takahashi, 1982a, b). Silicon is effective in preventing lodging in rice by increasing the thickness of the culm wall and the size of the vascular bundles (Shimoyama, 1958), thereby enhancing the strength of the stems. Silicon also alleviates the effects of other abiotic stresses including salt stress, metal toxicity, drought stress, radiation damage, nutrient imbalance, high temperature, and freezing (Epstein, 1999;Ma and Tahakashi, 2002; Ma, 2004). These beneficial effects are mostly expressed through Si deposition in the leaves, stems, and hulls, although other mechanisms have also been proposed (Ma, 2004). Therefore, the Si effect is characterized by a larger effect associated with a greater Si accumulation in the shoots.

However, Si accumulation in the shoots varies considerably among plant species, ranging from 0.1% to 10% Si in the dry weight (Ma and Takahashi, 2002). Takahashi and coworkers made an extensive survey on the Si concentrations of nearly 500 plant species from Bryophyta to Angiospermae, grown under similar soil conditions (for the summary, see Ma and Takahashi, 2002). The results showed that there is a characteristic distribution of Si accumulation in the plant kingdom. In higher plants, only plants in Gramineae and Cyperacea show high Si accumulation. Plants in Cucurbitales, Urticales, and Commelinaceae show intermediate Si accumulation, whereas most other plants species show low Si accumulation. The difference in Si accumulation has been attributed to the ability of the roots to take up Si (Takahashi et al., 1990). Silicon is taken up in the form of an uncharged molecule, silicic acid (Takahashi and Hino, 1978). Three different modes of Si uptake have been proposed for plants having different degrees of Si accumulation, that is, active, passive, and rejective uptake (Takahashi et al., 1990). Plants with an active mode of uptake take up Si faster than water, resulting in a depletion of Si in the uptake solution. Plants with a passive mode of uptake take up Si at a rate that is similar to the uptake rate of water; thus, no significant changes in the concentration of Si in the uptake solution are observed. By contrast, plants with a rejective mode of uptake tend to exclude Si, which is demonstrated by the increasing concentration of Si in the uptake solution. However, the mechanisms involved in the different uptake modes are not understood. The objective of this study was to examine the uptake systems of Si in rice, cucumber, and tomato, which represent high, intermediate, and low Si accumulation, respectively.

In a nut shell,some plants uptake and use silica based products differently.
foliar spray of silica is ideal for the sake of it not being a mobile nutrient amongst other benefits as well.
 
Purpletrain

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I did not know this! Is there any more information to flesh this out?
for sure bro i will dig it up its fact
I say again Silica us more for monocot plants not MJ which is a Dicot species ask any supplier of a silica product , and ask if they had dry leaf tissue samples to see the amount the plant actuaally absorbs ?? you will be surrised not one has ..

I will pull the scientifi data shortly just saying ,, honestly if you have a healthy plant to begin with your not going to have pest, fungi or growth issues aslong as everything is in relation .
For instance when growing organically the microbes and plants are actually fighting each other in who is in control of plant protection , if you have a healthy colony and proper carbon cycle going the plant will produce what it can ..
As long as you keep it all in sink

You here that silica makes stronger stems etc TBH silica plays no part many just think it does its osmotic pressure and cellulose fibers that produce the stem rigidity etc ..
 
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A number of articles have promoted claims that silicon applications may avoid insect outbreaks; however, there is minimal quantitative research to support these claims. The protective role of silicon associated with disease resistance is well documented, but there is relatively little documentation concerning silicon’s association with resistance to insect pests. Most of the previous research with silicon has been conducted with agricultural crops such as rice and sugar cane (monocots). How silicon “protects” plants from insect feeding is still being disputed. It has been suggested that silicon increases the epidermal toughness and strengthens leaves’ cell walls, which makes it difficult for insects to feed and obtain required nutrients (proteins, amino acids and sugars). However, it is still uncertain whether horticultural plants (mostly dicots) will respond similarly to silicon applications as monocot plants.

Silicon is the second most abundant element comprising 25.7 percent of the earth’s crust, a relatively inert element that is considered important to plant and animal life. Silicon is present mainly as silica or silicates, and can be synthesized into other substances, such as silicones and organosilicones. Silicon is classified as a “beneficial element” but the function of silicon in plants is not well understood despite its association with structural, physiological and protective properties. Silicon is commonly referred to as silica (SiO2). Monosilicic acid [Si(OH)4] is a soluble hydrated form of silica, and the primary form of silicon absorbed and utilized by plants.

Although most plants that accumulate silicon are monocots, such as rice and sugar cane, there are some dicots that do form silica deposits in plant tissues, including avocado, banana, pineapple and squash. However, in general, monocots tend to accumulate substantially more silicon in plant tissues than dicots. As such, plants may be categorized based on their ability to absorb silicon from a standard solution. The first category includes plants designated as silicon accumulators, which possess the ability to absorb silicon directly from soil solutions more rapidly than water. Silicon accumulators contain less than or equal to 1.5 percent silicon by weight. In the second category are silicon-neutral plants, containing between 0.5 and 1.5 percent silicon by weight. Cucumber is an example of a silicon-neutral plant because of its passive absorption of silicon from soil solutions. The third category includes silicon rejectors because they either eliminate or exclude silicon from plant tissues. These plants do not absorb silicon into tissues and typically contain less than or equal to 0.5 percent silicon by weight.
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Many dicots, especially horticultural crops, are considered silicon rejectors.
 
Purpletrain

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On closing note if you think honestly that Silica has done your plant so much better then not using it get it tested dry matter to weight ratio you might be shocked to think that 0.01 percent did the plant so much better when that percentage is like pissing in the ocean . to put it in real terms ..
I am not here to dispute it if you like using it by all means but honestly to think 0.001 percent is going to make a difference in yields you got to be crazy
You want to see gains of 30 percent use this
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Ya mon.....tank up that OD plot and watch it explode... SMH.

Bumpin this out of curiosity.... did you survive all of the smoke heading down that way from the HP fire?

Update?
 
Bulldog420

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An FYI. Mildew has nothing to do with humidity. Keep your soil balanced and mildew will never show up. Keep your K levels high around 5% at the end of flower. Your N should be below 30ppm. Good luck.

@Purpletrain Why in the world do you have tape over your outlets? That is a major fire hazard. One spark and that tape will melt and catch on fire. I am a certified electrician in the state of California, just an FYI.
 
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My neighbor stopped by last night and told me he heard "things" are very active down this way and there have been quite a few plots found/dismantled.... Hope all is cool with this grow.
 
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Haven't been here in awhile plants looking great..
Wanted to clear up the whole silica thing..is silicic acid a cure all? No will using it magically increase your yield?no
Does silicic acid help increase transportation/utilization of minerals,helps convert nitrates into proteins which impacts node spacing which obviously increases flowering sites..yes
Silicic acid and it's function is not a magic cure all..it doesn't coat your buds for a heavier "weight".
Same thing you can't be a shitty grower throw in a tank of 02 and BOOM your the man/lady.
Several things come together in a good grow. % here and there add up and the more positives that can be obtained add to the growers overall yield.
 
MendoGiantZ

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Haven't been here in awhile plants looking great..
Wanted to clear up the whole silica thing..is silicic acid a cure all? No will using it magically increase your yield?no
Does silicic acid help increase transportation/utilization of minerals,helps convert nitrates into proteins which impacts node spacing which obviously increases flowering sites..yes
Silicic acid and it's function is not a magic cure all..it doesn't coat your buds for a heavier "weight".
Same thing you can't be a shitty grower throw in a tank of 02 and BOOM your the man/lady.
Several things come together in a good grow. % here and there add up and the more positives that can be obtained add to the growers overall yield.
Now u tell me this. I just poured silica all over my dead clones and nothing happened :(
 
MrRojos

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Lmao..and @MendoGiantZ beautiful grow this year brother holy shit you are killing it. Will be wishing all you guys/gals the best this season I really enjoy looking and reading your threads!
@gravekat303 hey brother glad all is well and still want some of those beans those crosses you told me about sound very very good and trying them would be a honor:)
 
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I can tell you right now a few of my lessons. Start clones a month earlier. Transplant them to 10 gallon 'smart pots', instead of 7 gallon. Plant twice as many as needed and cull half, before going outside. Build small greenhouse to put plants in on May 1st. Build up soil in big pots with amendments starting in early March. Add tea 2-3 times a week, create living soil with worms. Spray tea 2-4 times a week. What else do you guys think I should try?
 

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