couple questions

Hey Dizzle.

With your new watering schedule how much water would you say you are giving per gallon of coco per day?

If I am in 2 gallon coco containers what would you give?
what about 5 gallon coco containers?
btw I am 70-30 coco to perilite

Flushing?

how often and with what flushing agent do you flush your Coco during your grows?

Nutrients?
what ppm are you running when you feed?

Thanks a ton!!!!

if we oxygenate our water, can we flood with straight coco more often?

squarepusher said:

if we oxygenate our water, can we flood with straight coco more often?

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DO is related to temperature...you can't 'supercharge' water. the best way to assure that the water in your medium has max oxygen at all times is to maximise the medium's wetted surface area.

tommy: that's such a vague question. it will depend on your plant's transpiration rate, and how long you want to go between waterings. the only way to know is to do it. i haven't seen much correlation between watering frequency and yield; watering 24/7 doesn't yield significantly better than watering every 3 days.

mrdizzle: what benefits, if any, do you see in drier media and more frequent watering?

hmmm... I see.

what amount of moisture is good to run in the coco?

also isnt the difference between coco yield and soil yield the fact that with coco we can feed more often?

tommytwotone said:

Hey Dizzle.

With your new watering schedule how much water would you say you are giving per gallon of coco per day?

If I am in 2 gallon coco containers what would you give?
what about 5 gallon coco containers?
btw I am 70-30 coco to perilite

Flushing?

how often and with what flushing agent do you flush your Coco during your grows?

Nutrients?
what ppm are you running when you feed?

Thanks a ton!!!!

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I feed from 900-1400ppm's with a 200ppm watering every 3rd to 4th watering. my best advice on watering is to hang out with your plants and see how they are drinking, hard to tell without seeing your plants and how much water they are drinking

squarepusher said:

if we oxygenate our water, can we flood with straight coco more often?

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I would say coco is best when is stays moist but not wet,

Crysmatic said:

DO is related to temperature...you can't 'supercharge' water. the best way to assure that the water in your medium has max oxygen at all times is to maximise the medium's wetted surface area.

tommy: that's such a vague question. it will depend on your plant's transpiration rate, and how long you want to go between waterings. the only way to know is to do it. i haven't seen much correlation between watering frequency and yield; watering 24/7 doesn't yield significantly better than watering every 3 days.

mrdizzle: what benefits, if any, do you see in drier media and more frequent watering?

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I have to disagree with the watering 24/7 doesnt improve yeild, if your medium does not hold water such as perlite, it will blow away a soil garden watered every three days or a coco garden.

the benefits are quite clear, I used to run 5gal hempys, with 50/50 coco to perlite. it would take a 3week veg would give me 1/4lb plants. I would run 20 plants and get 5-5.5lbs

Now after a 3 week veg in 75%perlite to coco with frequent waterings, I have 12oz plus plants. without a doubt in my mind they grow almost twice as fast

dizzle im working out how to water my plants at the moment and what perlite to coco ratio to use... I was wondering if the 4:1 perlite to coco ratio would work hand watering once a day DTW or do a multi day drip DTW... just wondering your opinion here you have some great grows serious props man -KT

a lot of people are asking me questions about how much to water, the best advice I can give you is watch and learn, you will be able to figure it would within the first week of your grow how much you need to feel, its really hard to guess, example I started with 6-1min waterings a day but now only do 3, usually have runoff on my last watering of the day this way, 6 was run off city

but you can water by hand every 2-3days hempy style, I am having better results with smaller my frequent waterings

thnx dizzle ill have to try out the 4:1 and c what they require water wise....
just wanted to make sure that would work for DTW instead of hempy

I've been doing something similar with my current run dizzle. My pump kicks on 88 times during lights on for two minutes at a time. Because I have different container sizes I used DIG drip emmiters. The first four cycles are during the first hour of lights. I get a little bit of runoff on each plant and then the other four cycles are spaced out throughout the light cycle to keep my medium moist. They really are digging the multiple feedings.

So my next run Im pretty much going to be biting a LOT of your style dizzle. Not sure if I wanna do the hempies or just a dtw....either way you have been an inspiration and a big help. Thanks man!

Can't seem to find the edit from my phone. My pump comes on 8 times....not 88.

mrdizzle said:

I have to disagree with the watering 24/7 doesnt improve yeild, if your medium does not hold water such as perlite, it will blow away a soil garden watered every three days or a coco garden.

the benefits are quite clear, I used to run 5gal hempys, with 50/50 coco to perlite. it would take a 3week veg would give me 1/4lb plants. I would run 20 plants and get 5-5.5lbs

Now after a 3 week veg in 75%perlite to coco with frequent waterings, I have 12oz plus plants. without a doubt in my mind they grow almost twice as fast

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That more frequent feedings leads to faster growth is a matter of fact. I'm just not convinced that it's clear cut on yield. Plants use up Nitrogen super fast - they can deplete it in 12 hr. More frequent feedings keeps N in the root zone - hence the faster growth. Perhaps your hempys just needed more N? A longer veg will get bigger plants.

What was your best run? (MKxBK run 9 was super impressive) What factors made it your best run?

Crysmatic said:

That more frequent feedings leads to faster growth is a matter of fact. I'm just not convinced that it's clear cut on yield. Plants use up Nitrogen super fast - they can deplete it in 12 hr. More frequent feedings keeps N in the root zone - hence the faster growth. Perhaps your hempys just needed more N? A longer veg will get bigger plants.

What was your best run? (MKxBK run 9 was super impressive) What factors made it your best run?

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well thats good because Im not here to convince you of anything. More N is not what you need for bigger nugs or higher yeild, and yes a longer veg will lead to bigger plants? not sure what your question/comment is

a plant that is too large may outgrow the coverage of the light its getting effecting its overall yeild/quality

mrdizzle said:

well thats good because Im not here to convince you of anything. More N is not what you need for bigger nugs or higher yeild, and yes a longer veg will lead to bigger plants? not sure what your question/comment is

a plant that is too large may outgrow the coverage of the light its getting effecting its overall yeild/quality

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if i understand you correctly, you're saying that the plants in perlite/coco were 2x bigger and yielded 3x more. I'm suggesting that vegging in hempys longer until they were the same size as the plants in perlite/coco would have yielded similarly. in your opinion is that fair to say?

growmaster yields well over 1 gpw in soil beds (and many other examples), which tells me that you don't have to water 3x per day for huge yield. a drier medium needs more waterings to not stress the plant. I'm just trying to make sense of this.

I'm saying frequent feeding IS giving your plants more N, and made them grow faster.

peace

Hi Crysmatic maybe I can answer what your asking. It is not N. If that was the case we would all just add more N into our fertilizers when we are growing in soil. The reason is air. When you water soilless mix to a lesser extent rockwool, coco you get a lot of water and not a lot of oxygen. This takes time before the oxygen and water are ideally balanced. Then medium starts to become to dry. With any techinque you want to try and stay in this sweet spot. DWC and various take-off do this by keeping the solution (as long as they are within proper temperatures) constantly aireted. With meduims you don't get this constant ideal condition. One way to tell a really experienced grower is how well they water. This is key. I have seen growers veg twice as long to get the same size plant in the same room, same nuterients, same environment, etc... Just one had a great eye for when to water. I think that is why there is so many questions about how often to water. Really a key point. With 100% perlite, or hydroton you can get away with watering 24/7 because they only have a surface film of water and roots can get tons of oxygen. However as with DWC if something goes wrong everything can die quickly. Hempies try to work off built in safety (the leaving water in the bottom of the pot) and having the perlite and other components (vermiculite, coco) wick up this water up through capilary action, which provides a lot of aeration and with constant water supply.

I think every grower has to find their confort with the trade off between speed and reliability. I have witnessed a buddy loose a whole crop in DWC. I personally don't want experience that. I liked drip as if a pump failed I had time to save the crop.

GPW isn't the only way to measure performance. I think there has been arguments for using kw hours so that you don't just look at one measurement which only occurs in flowering. If we both get 1gpw and you can veg twice as fast as I can you are actually more efficient grower as you can use less total energy to get the same results. Same with if you can veg with less wattage and still get the same results in the same time. Veg time and wattage needed is really important for people who want to keep plant counts low by growing bigger plants. Again if you want to yield the same with less veg and don't care about plant counts use more plants to get better yields faster.

Well thats my thoughts on the subject.

Peace

Crysmatic said:

if i understand you correctly, you're saying that the plants in perlite/coco were 2x bigger and yielded 3x more. I'm suggesting that vegging in hempys longer until they were the same size as the plants in perlite/coco would have yielded similarly. in your opinion is that fair to say?

growmaster yields well over 1 gpw in soil beds (and many other examples), which tells me that you don't have to water 3x per day for huge yield. a drier medium needs more waterings to not stress the plant. I'm just trying to make sense of this.

I'm saying frequent feeding IS giving your plants more N, and made them grow faster.

peace

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Grow master also uses 25 plants a light am I not correct? and he can say he is getting 3lbs a light off those tray and you can believe him if you like, but with a name like growmaster I doubt he would report average yeilds

yes if I vegged my 5gals for another 4weeks I could have gotten higher yeilds than a 1/4lb, but then I would lose on on a harvest and a half after the year. I am still running these tubs hempy style. I am just not overflowing the mini res everytime I water

your theory about N is probably not true. N doesnt do much for flower production and since buds are what you weight I dont see it making a different. plants would have a hard time transporting N onces the salts have crystallized from the water being drawn out of the medium

the plants are growing faster from more air and more water. If you need to convince yourself then you should set up half a room that you water every 3 days in coco and another half that is a high perlite mix and then report back to use with your findings. not saying you cant get the same yeild, but you coco room is going to be a couple weeks behind

mr.tortoise said:

Hi Crysmatic maybe I can answer what your asking. It is not N. If that was the case we would all just add more N into our fertilizers when we are growing in soil. The reason is air. When you water soilless mix to a lesser extent rockwool, coco you get a lot of water and not a lot of oxygen. This takes time before the oxygen and water are ideally balanced. Then medium starts to become to dry. With any techinque you want to try and stay in this sweet spot. DWC and various take-off do this by keeping the solution (as long as they are within proper temperatures) constantly aireted. With meduims you don't get this constant ideal condition. One way to tell a really experienced grower is how well they water. This is key. I have seen growers veg twice as long to get the same size plant in the same room, same nuterients, same environment, etc... Just one had a great eye for when to water. I think that is why there is so many questions about how often to water. Really a key point. With 100% perlite, or hydroton you can get away with watering 24/7 because they only have a surface film of water and roots can get tons of oxygen. However as with DWC if something goes wrong everything can die quickly. Hempies try to work off built in safety (the leaving water in the bottom of the pot) and having the perlite and other components (vermiculite, coco) wick up this water up through capilary action, which provides a lot of aeration and with constant water

Peace

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its true

hey dizz I got some root rot starting in my mpb and wanted to know what should I use to clean them off h202, hydofungicide, zone? I want to pull them out of the net basket and hydroton rinse them and transplant into five gal. perilite coco and then into the 27 gallon tubs. Their in 4x4 rockwool cubes and showing new fresh white roots coming out but then there the brown slimy shit ones.

mrdizzle

Do you think CO2 would have made a significant increase in your yield?

haha bootie clanning on you're grave.
proper grow my friend keep it up

Dizzle my veg room always gets filled up before my flower cycles finish, If I had a bigger veg room it would make sense to want faster growth but at this point taking cuts at 5-6 weeks flower and having them vegging while the next cycle is going for 9 weeks + harvest/cleanup + any additional vegtime in flowerroom is enough speed for me, I always end up plucking leaves like crazy in my veg room because it gets overgrown.

I converted a friend over to 100% canna coco and they were complaining about watering once a day and mentioned they were going to switch back over to promix but when they broke some harvest records and pulled out the rootball to find fuzzy white roots they decided to stick with it... funny. We will see what happens in the future though as far as going with 100% coco, Im being forced to switch over to an ultra low yielding purple kush cut... was dreading it but knew it was coming, fucking markets man.

Everything looks great on your end by the way :)