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the big question, who here is smoking tobacco?? :D stuff is nasty nasty :hungover:
It has 2 b the blunts... I stopped smoking blunts but back then I prolly smoked umthe big question, who here is smoking tobacco?? :D stuff is nasty nasty :hungover:
From the guy who gave the la cup gg4 duds it's really too much to explain and I'm repotting today so I'll quote...."
i did get dud adub and dubtech clones from a vendor who used to frequent these boards and who well may be lying in wait here still. without knowing that from the handful he gave me, i propped them out for several generations before flowering them, so i am very skeptical of the "cloning away from" argument that this practice will fix things. though i was unaware of it at the time as i was of the syndrome, the cuts also carried some tarsonemid class mite or another—broad, cyclamen, hemp russet.
the mites were persistent but easy enough to rid myself of, i was never able to bring the plants back, try though i did. if this were the whole of my story, i would be quick to cast my lot with them that blame the broad mites and to chalk the loss of the plants vigor, terps, and trichs to residual damage from the mites. however, in the time that i was tryong to clone away from dud, after i am 100 the mites had been eradicated, i watched the syndrome spread to other plants. the second i observed and logged this, i culled the lot of them. if you are seeing this in your plants, get them out of your room asap if you want to keep the other strains you've got.
the best practices are nothing magical. quarantine, cull, and scrub.
never introduce anything to your room that you have not sequestered in a safe space and observed for a period of at least two weeks.
promptly remove and destroy any plants you find to be affected.
be immaculate. i've said it before and stand by it unequivocally. OCD is actually a desirable trait in a grower.
that's all i've got. i'm here to learn as much as the next guy."
sounds like it all comes back to the alien tech/sour dub line carrying some nasty shit. Fucked up
no it was ebb n flow hydroton.
I can spot them in veg a mile away now, half my last round freaked the fuck out.
I smoke the livin shit out of tobacco, no duds no runts :) kinda sounds like a west coast deal.gotta be a bug/virus
Thats kinda where I was going with it though- root zone seems like a reasonable direction to look because I see it happen WAY more in coco/hydro that doesn't support the same root zone biological life. My full duds were in coco, and only soil full duds in flower were plants that had poor root growth at flip and over saturated. Again stress I added to the equation.
yeah sunset limited is a piece of crap but you know how IC works everybody kissing ass to get cuts really nobody but me (different handle at IC)and a few others called him out on this and really getting tired of doing so he ran and was hiding out then he posts this as some excuse...lol guy is an IC "mentor" he actually has that badge under his handle. It was a money grab dirty all around dude is a piece of work some here know that but I'm not going to bring him into it. But yeah true I agree sounds like bs to me too. It's a dirty game guy handled the situation all wrong.Sorry but to have broad/russet mites then attribute all the duds to dud symptoms that spread doesn't completely click. If you had a broad/russet infestation then most folk can agree it fucks up your genetics down the line if not permanently. Its a systemic poison of sorts that stays in the plants. Even if you don't see em, doesn't mean the are not there...and if they were those genetics will have it for some time apparently.
So this dude that had all these issues is the guy that spread the GG4 around at the cup? Or am i reading that wrong? If it is folks should seriously be questioning his ethics giving away a shit load of cuts after having ANY of those issues. But i won't jump to conclusions on a cut and paste.
Nah seen it in plenty of OG genetics. Many have said TK and other older OGs have done it randomly over the many years. I know i had it happen on TK s1 many many years ago.
Thats kinda where I was going with it though- root zone seems like a reasonable direction to look because I see it happen WAY more in coco/hydro that doesn't support the same root zone biological life. My full duds were in coco, and only soil full duds in flower were plants that had poor root growth at flip and over saturated. Again stress I added to the equation.
Do you keep your moms in soil or coco?
@MakinGoo- so your problems were exacerbated in coco but improved in soil? Odd to hear it on your seed plants though. Almost always its a clone issue, maybe you hit on something with the tossing in runts. My last soil full duds were not sick going in but were definitely not as healthy and were just filler plants...hmm.
@soserthc1 - your twisting leaves, still healthy buds but small yield are not indicative of duds. Duds are normal size with zero frost, trich, smell etc...no where near a normal bud.
Not sure thats the case, but i think it would be safe to assume that folks out western US run a lot more plants than most others. This gives a lot larger pool of muddled genetics to see the issue happen.
TG, I've seen my buddies tahoe turn full on dud in organic soil indoors perfectly healthy, no stress whatsoever. I've also seen this same plant come out perfect outdoors 2 months prior, cuts were taken from the same mom; The mother was kept in organic soil. Full on duds tend to produce fatter buds then normal do to the shortened internodes.. It seems like the sun contracts the dud symptoms that we would normally see inside...
@186183 Do you have any paper work that came back from the lab?.. I've talked to guys from sclabs a few months back and they did confirm several samples testing positive for TMV.
@true grit I hear u about having branches dud out, and again I think this is caused by the onset of Pythium.. I had a Louie cut do the same thing.. Only the lower branch or two were affected, which leads me to believe the Pythium got ahold of hear and compromised the root zone.. Once I checked here out after chop I noticed the root zone was under developed/almost non existent and had played apart in the overall growth of the flowers...
yeah sunset limited is a piece of crap but you know how IC works everybody kissing ass to get cuts really nobody but me (different handle at IC)and a few others called him out on this and really getting tired of doing so he ran and was hiding out then he posts this as some excuse...lol guy is an IC "mentor" he actually has that badge under his handle. It was a money grab dirty all around dude is a piece of work some here know that but I'm not going to bring him into it. But yeah true I agree sounds like bs to me too. It's a dirty game guy handled the situation all wrong.
Here is the results back on a few different strains. These are just the results from the test strips. On my first run after testing positive they did testing of the cells to confirm. I don't know if the test strips are 100% accurate but the cell testing is. The lab said they are looking in to developing a strip just for our crop.
I don't believe this is a Pythian problem as none of mine came back positive for that. The thing with the virus is it causes so many symptoms that look like one problem or another and by changing little things you can fix some of them but the real problem is still there. People just end up chasing there tail in circles. I was one of them.
Those pics above have the virus for sure. I see It everywhere the more I look online. It's not always crazy symptoms that look horrible. Some plants will just show some minor leaf twist, but they still have it.
4 years tobacco free for me! Best thing I ever did!
Nah seen it in plenty of OG genetics. Many have said TK and other older OGs have done it randomly over the many years. I know i had it happen on TK s1 many many years ago.
Thats kinda where I was going with it though- root zone seems like a reasonable direction to look because I see it happen WAY more in coco/hydro that doesn't support the same root zone biological life. My full duds were in coco, and only soil full duds in flower were plants that had poor root growth at flip and over saturated. Again stress I added to the equation.
Do you keep your moms in soil or coco?
Oh shit. I've seen those on some of my plants. Who's the lab? I've seen it on seed starts, so it's doubly concerning, of course.These are not pics of the duds, these are just some TMV symptoms. The more pics I see and stories I hear the more I am convinced the duds are from the TMV. I think there are countless people that have it and don't even realize it. For a while if you even brought up TMV in some forums people were ready to linch you up, so I quite even trying to talk about it.
The lab is AL&L crop solutions out of Davis ca. It was a bit of a drive for me but well worth it. They took the time to explain the process and even showed me the proper technique for using the strips. Good people!Oh shit. I've seen those on some of my plants. Who's the lab? I've seen it on seed starts, so it's doubly concerning, of course.
If that's tmv then I think Most of my chem-d and related hybrids have that thing at the bottom of pic one where the tips are gone not all but its there some of them started from seed like grand doggy purple.Oh shit. I've seen those on some of my plants. Who's the lab? I've seen it on seed starts, so it's doubly concerning, of course.
I would be willing to bet that if you get your plants tested they would be positive. As the plant starts to grow, it grows faster than the virus can reproduce so people will think hey I fixed the problem. The virus is still there an will still affect yield and quality. Every strain reacts differently to it and shows different symptoms. I am running blue dream now that still does very good while infected. But I still get duds. I will get some pics of those up later good comparison same strain same environment everything just some duds some not.Look like this when it starts out? Infection in cloner from water having bacteria or bad cloning gel .. pulled out of it ...took to long in veg so all IView attachment 407160 View attachment 407161 View attachment 407162 got was leaf no bud sites .. treated with dutch gold in cloner no probs after...