DWC Plants Dying Please Help

[TheOhmOne]

I’m sorry I’m not sure what exactly you are referring too.

I have just checked last night, and I’m not so certain the lid itself is 100% light proof. It’s extremely hard to tell. But it does appear that maybe a little light is making its way through the Res material itself. So not directly light, but basically if you were inside the Res, I have a feeling you would be able to see there was light outside of it. Lol if that makes sense

 

[airedog]

This;

Are the upright PVC for framing or do they go through to the rootzone?

Granted, i'm skimming through the thread and they just replaced one of my knees last Thursday, so meds are still making thought processes a bit skewed.

 

[MHippie]

Cool thanx for the feedback 4th. I want to move away from rockwool.

I’m also already getting a brown ring around the Res water line again. Do you find this normal when plants are not rooted and developed well enough?

I’m Likely going to change our water before roots emerge, since I will be switching from GH to AquaFlakes in the 150L.

Ok where to start...

Cloning methods... I have a hortipot aero 24 site machine and also use a coco pellet in a tray with Olivia's cloning gel. For both scenarios I use Clonex. As you know a lot of factors come into play... strain, plant health, temp, humidity, light, etc. I just finished testing coco vs aero. Same strain, same plant, same results lol! The coco pellets I'm talking about are like jiffy pellets. Water them with the Clonex solution. They blow up. Poke a hole through the top to the appropriate depth, cut and dip the clone, in it goes. Let the pellet partially dry and then saturate the thing with more Clonex solution. Repeat until roots explode out the sides. Now you get to make a decision to put the thing into coco or dirt. If I wasn't into flowering outside I'd go with coco for a lot of reasons. But dirt is the life for me lol! You already know about aero cloning.

Momma plant(s). Kills me to watch you buy clones. Man please get 1 pot any size, 1 more clone, decent promix, and I swear to God I will answer every question and guide you through how to do this. It's a perpetual organic clone machine. I can easily take 12 clones right now and make twice that next month in a 9 inch x 6 inch footprint that thrives under florous with a quart of stuff every other day. Nutes are measured by the fractional teaspoon. Cheeeeeap. :) And they last for years.

That's enough for now. But man hydro? You're biting off a lot. My mentor didn't let me touch hydro until after like 3 years in the dirt. Oh shut up. There wasn't an internet back then and the fucking encyclopedia didn't come with grow instructions. We had high times mag and Marc Emery. So when the owner of a hydro shop that gets published in high times and could pick up the phone get Emery in the line and order up the moon, kinda got my attention when he took my dumb ass endless questioning about peppers and tomatoes self under his wing? Yep in awe. His wife was one of the coolest hippie chicks besides my wife that I've ever met. Anyway, hope this gives you more to chew on. I'll let the water guys speak to today's techniques. The easiest hydro imo is a flood and drain bucket system. BSG and I are doing angrownthread together and he's got an kick ass system you should check out. 3rd grow ever and he's throwing out frost eye candy from under HPS/MH in parabolics lol!!!

 

[TheOhmOne]

This;

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Are the upright PVC for framing or do they go through to the rootzone?

Granted, i'm skimming through the thread and they just replaced one of my knees last Thursday, so meds are still making thought processes a bit skewed.

Ah no problem!! Now I see ya.

Well the setup has currently changed. But those pvc were only inside the top of the lid. Held on with a threaded locknut.

I’ve now just made legs and a “brace” against the lid for support of the ScrOG,

Essentially I like the ScrOG attached to the lid so I always have the ability to remove the lid and clean & replace the res or do anything else that’s needed

 

[TheOhmOne]

Cleaned Res out 48 hours ago now.

Replaced with 35 gallons RO water
Pro-Tekt 30ml
Aqua Flakes A&B @ 1:1 ratio 15ml each
Cal-mag cal-mag
Hydroguard 60mL

I also wasn’t having much root growth, so I decided to give my inverted netpot idea a shot. I only did one plant as to gauge which one would do better. The one with the inverted netpot, or the one with hydroton at bottom then rockwool.

After 48 hours the one in the regular hydroton method is still not shooting many roots. It has one.

Meanwhile, the inverted netpot has multiple roots coming through the bottom now. As shown in the photo with the flash.

Ive now moved the other plant into the the inverted netpot style. To hopefully get these ladies going.

I’m having a weird leaf twisting/curling issue now.

I’m not sure if this is from the condition in which I purchased them, or currently.

The PH is steady at 5.8-6.0
Temps are cold at 64-66
Humidity is 40-60%
Temperature is 75-78F

When top feeding do I need to use lower PH water if they are in rockwool? Or is using Res water adequate ?

Added, Is having the water temperature so low effecting root growth right now?

 

[TheOhmOne]

Pictures of current twisting and growth out of the bottom of the inverted netpot

 

[TheOhmOne]

TrolMaster App. Will be hooking everything up to this eventually.

I’m having some issues with my meters though.

So I got the aqua X, probes and hardware. Get it hooked up, toss it in the Res.... everything works but no EC reading. I also couldn’t switch from EC to PPM.

I tried calibrating it, the whole nine.
So I then went and purchased 2.77 calibration solution.

Still nothing after calibration.

i update firmware so that I can switch from SC to PPM.

I then get a value about 50ppms lower than the BlueLab.

Calibrate both meters in the 2.77 . Both perfect.

Once back in the Res they are 50ppms off again.

 

[MHippie]

TrolMaster App. Will be hooking everything up to this eventually.

Ah freaking technology!!! Sorry you're getting killed with all this stuff at one time. I have no answers. I'm sure someone will.

 

[TheOhmOne]

Ok where to start...

Cloning methods... I have a hortipot aero 24 site machine and also use a coco pellet in a tray with Olivia's cloning gel. For both scenarios I use Clonex. As you know a lot of factors come into play... strain, plant health, temp, humidity, light, etc. I just finished testing coco vs aero. Same strain, same plant, same results lol! The coco pellets I'm talking about are like jiffy pellets. Water them with the Clonex solution. They blow up. Poke a hole through the top to the appropriate depth, cut and dip the clone, in it goes. Let the pellet partially dry and then saturate the thing with more Clonex solution. Repeat until roots explode out the sides. Now you get to make a decision to put the thing into coco or dirt. If I wasn't into flowering outside I'd go with coco for a lot of reasons. But dirt is the life for me lol! You already know about aero cloning.

Momma plant(s). Kills me to watch you buy clones. Man please get 1 pot any size, 1 more clone, decent promix, and I swear to God I will answer every question and guide you through how to do this. It's a perpetual organic clone machine. I can easily take 12 clones right now and make twice that next month in a 9 inch x 6 inch footprint that thrives under florous with a quart of stuff every other day. Nutes are measured by the fractional teaspoon. Cheeeeeap. :) And they last for years.
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That's enough for now. But man hydro? You're biting off a lot. My mentor didn't let me touch hydro until after like 3 years in the dirt. Oh shut up. There wasn't an internet back then and the fucking encyclopedia didn't come with grow instructions. We had high times mag and Marc Emery. So when the owner of a hydro shop that gets published in high times and could pick up the phone get Emery in the line and order up the moon, kinda got my attention when he took my dumb ass endless questioning about peppers and tomatoes self under his wing? Yep in awe. His wife was one of the coolest hippie chicks besides my wife that I've ever met. Anyway, hope this gives you more to chew on. I'll let the water guys speak to today's techniques. The easiest hydro imo is a flood and drain bucket system. BSG and I are doing angrownthread together and he's got an kick ass system you should check out. 3rd grow ever and he's throwing out frost eye candy from under HPS/MH in parabolics lol!!!

that is an awesome little tree you got there!!

Isn’t it such a great process.

I understand the way I’m currently running isn’t 100% ideal. However I really enjoy the results I get with growing very similar ways to this.

Ideally I need to figure out how to grow multiple strains in a 5x5. Makes it easier for me, when 1-2lbs last me near or the whole year

 

[TheOhmOne]

Ah freaking technology!!! Sorry you're getting killed with all this stuff at one time. I have no answers. I'm sure someone will.

Yeah, try to make something simple and it becomes complex.

Why?!?

 

[MHippie]

Yeah, try to make something simple and it becomes complex.

Why?!?

Dunno and I’m a tech dev lol!!! Bro straight up I used to be into the latest and greatest. This bonsai thing? Let’s you mess with the plants constantly, unlimited clones of your fav strains. And the best for me is variety. I can fit 15 pots comfortably under a 4x2 in veg. Outside they go for 12 hours a day for flowering when it’s time. Inside at night in a dark room. It’s simple. And... cheap. I grow normal sized plant to bulk up our daily supply and bonsai for the boutique variety. And a bale of pro mix lasts forever. Nutes go a lot farther. Blah blah blah.

 

[MHippie]

Here it is outside. This is what 14 strains looks like :) Bonsais are in front. Autos in the middle. Large photos in the back. I added 4 more bonsais this evening to flower. So tomorrow morning... 18 strains will be on the ground. Nuts huh?

 

[TheOhmOne]

Here it is outside. This is what 14 strains looks like :) Bonsais are in front. Autos in the middle. Large photos in the back. I added 4 more bonsais this evening to flower. So tomorrow morning... 18 strains will be on the ground. Nuts huh?View attachment 1029401

Here it is outside. This is what 14 strains looks like :) Bonsais are in front. Autos in the middle. Large photos in the back. I added 4 more bonsais this evening to flower. So tomorrow morning... 18 strains will be on the ground. Nuts huh?View attachment 1029401

That is crazy your right !!

crazy beautiful

great work

 

[TheOhmOne]

Connected a “Blink Mini” Camera set.

I will use this to make a time lapse video, if these ladies ever decide to take off......

Here a photo of the feed from the app.

It works flawlessly so far, I have the ability to add as many cameras as I choose it appears.

 

[TheOhmOne]

Anyone have any idea as to what’s up with the twisted/deformed leaves ?

 

[MHippie]

Anyone have any idea as to what’s up with the twisted/deformed leaves ?

They work themselves out. Check that bonsai out in my pic second from left. That thing has 3 shoots per node and had a really odd formation of a second growth shoot out of the shell. Cut the second one off and that perfect plant happened. Strange. Its an auto snowryder so its definitely not a part of any breeding I'm doing for sure. Grew it out for a throwback to old good times. Point is they do work it out themselves a lot of the time.

 

[TheOhmOne]

They work themselves out. Check that bonsai out in my pic second from left. That thing has 3 shoots per node and had a really odd formation of a second growth shoot out of the shell. Cut the second one off and that perfect plant happened. Strange. Its an auto snowryder so its definitely not a part of any breeding I'm doing for sure. Grew it out for a throwback to old good times. Point is they do work it out themselves a lot of the time.

Yes I agree, they usually do work themselves out.

It just feels so odd that I am having this much trouble rooting these combined with the twisted growth.

I was thinking either PH is off at plant because of the rockwool?

Or maybe the light is still to intense? I have a PPFD meter arriving Tuesday.

I’ve 100% never had it taken a week to get roots starting to make their way out of the bottom of the net pot. It usually takes a week to really develop nice roots and the drop the water line slightly.

I’m really hoping these inverted netpots that essentially have the rockwool sitting 2-4” directly above the water line. Will allow the roots to really reach for the water quicker and get things going here.

 

[MHippie]

Yes I agree, they usually do work themselves out.

It just feels so odd that I am having this much trouble rooting these combined with the twisted growth.

I was thinking either PH is off at plant because of the rockwool?

Or maybe the light is still to intense? I have a PPFD meter arriving Tuesday.

I’ve 100% never had it taken a week to get roots starting to make their way out of the bottom of the net pot. It usually takes a week to really develop nice roots and the drop the water line slightly.

I’m really hoping these inverted netpots that essentially have the rockwool sitting 2-4” directly above the water line. Will allow the roots to really reach for the water quicker and get things going here.

You have to consider the genetics and where you are sourcing these clones from as well. Some of this might not be you dude.

Lights: Any evidence of light burn? If not I'd cancel that off your list.

PH: I've never had rock wool throw it off before.

What are you doing to promote root growth? I switched from a tried and true old school water in a jar to cloned with an aero cloner and got much faster healthier results. But it would seem strange to buy clones that had to be stuck back in a cloner.

Got any killer seeds laying around...?

 

[TheOhmOne]

Alright so idk what in the world is going on.
Its been a week and still little to no roots out of the rockwool at all.


They are beginning to droop, and continuing to twist. Purple stems, very little upper growth as well. The only thing I noticed was the 2 small aqua fans were blowing on the plants, maybe making them droopy? However the fans have been off for 12hrs and stilll no improvement To the droop

I can for the first time today, officially see some roots just starting to pop out of the bottom of the 1st netpot.

I’m really hoping in the next 24 to48 hours they start to explode....

Then again... I thought that was going to happen a few days ago.

I don’t honestly know what’s going wrong here.

Water/nutrient solution is still good at
64F
250ppm
5.6ph

Room climate holds a steady 40-50RH now at 75F

Light is 42” away at 25% intensity

 

[TheOhmOne]

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