First let me say- know how many times I've used Eagle20 in about a year or two? Like twice, because i used it correctly in conjuction with a full solution and haven't had to use it since unless i feel like hittin cuts. More importantly once pm was gone i could get the environment dialed. Why do I stand by E20 as effective- because it is and you don't have to use it unsafely or to excess. All you folks that blow it out of proportion are doing just that- blowing it out of proportion to be dramatic. I'll stand by it and keep growing meds just fine with out it.
Disagreed. I speak to waaaayyy too many people who are exactly that.
I don't think you really followed my total experience very well on that one. Nor did you read everything I did very well. I'm not going to argue with you (again) about what I did and why, but guess what. That one White that popped back up with the PM? Not a single sign anywhere. You're characterizing things as though I have a persistent problem with it, and nothing could be further from the truth. When I was battling ROOT APHIDS, which happen to be known disease vectors, you betcha, I was having a hell of a problem with it. But the
Eagle 20 knocking it out didn't happen. Your characterizations of my experience only demonstrate what you
don't
know.
You've missed the bus and the train here. You say safely? Again, disagreed.
How familiar are you with methyl iodide? Go look it up, come back and tell me how safe it is. Then go look up what crops it's used on despite its safety record.
As long as people have to rely on the integrity of the growers, they're going to be ripe for buying shit meds. In total the integrity of cannabis growers is lacking, in my opinion. Add to that things like ignorance, the inability to read (or lack of desire, adds up to the same thing) and cavalier attitudes about substances just like
Eagle 20 and you have a disaster waiting to happen. How keen are YOU for our first marijuana-related death to occur? It is exactly shit like this that could lead to MMJ being put in the dungeon again.
Until WE take responsibility for OURSELVES, others will feel like they have to do it for us. Read the news lately? How's it goin' in CO for dispensaries? Ain't goin' so well in CA for them, although the general populous hasn't yet figured out what so many growers do to their weed.
Let me put this as plain and simply as I can- you explained your problems in the other thread. explained what you had done, and it was apparent to almost everyone in the thread why you still had pm issues and why you were bitching about Eagle20. werent you assuming that White had a super resistant PM? And what I don't know?- im sure there is plenty, but it must also be why people like myself have saved gardens from those issues why you sit here on the computer spouting out science assuming its all hunky dorey cuz you got some shit to "prove it". Guess what, I speak from experience and beating issues while often you are speaking theoretically of what COULD happen and what SHOULD happen. I get it done. Period.
Agreed its not only a matter of ignorance, lack of reading, etc- its the fact that EVERYONE wants to grow. Assume maybe 10-20% actually know what they are doing, and you see your problem. Even at that, like i said, even unexperienced growers dont know what half the shit is. Most the folks i know that try to fix problems, don't fix them cuz they are trying to do everything organically or without harsh chems...and instead are addin those ALL the time. And lets be realistic, of those other 80-90% whos cropping enough to matter to the general public.
CO dispensaries are producing weak meds because they can't buy from growers. Its a closed loop system that they can not keep up with, and in turn haul ass to produce SOMETHING for the shelves regardless. Medicine, i think not, but thats what happens when you rid the industry of real competition, skill, and don't allow real growers to do work.
Why don't you look at some of the chemicals sprayed on all that wine out there by you? Pretty damn sure more adult population consume that wine than shitty weed. Go try and scare the vineyard owners and wine drinkers- aint gonna happen.
And I agree, the resposibility is in ourselves. So why don't folks be responsible and talk about the reality rather than blow up shit just cuz they "think" it will do something.
I think it's easy to see in this thread who of you are being sensationalists and who are being sensible.
Blowing the message out of proportion isn't going to fix the problem of poor practices by dispensaries.
Exactly. Scare tactics are just as bad. esecially when you start a thread that if you touch eagle20 you will get lymphatic cancer.
Like I've said in every thread about PM- learn to run your room right and PM won't be an issue in the first place. I slipped on my room, got PM, had to fix it and get my room right again.
Everyone trust True Grit he is an "Expert". Same with all the other people on this board who use
Eagle 20EW. They have been assured by our fiends the cancerous chemical makers that it's safe! You can trust the "experts"!
LOL is all I can say to that. You people are ridiculous. Some people just can't admit that things DONT have to be used to excess, or possibly not even at all if you can run a room right (obviously a big IF there). You extremists make it sound like this shit is being sprayed all day every day, everywhere and folks like me who understand how to use it correctly endorse that (which i obviously have not). Grow up and quit trying to scare everyone, like its been covered time and again. Be paranoid to death for all i care. I'll die someday Im sure, but i can guarantee it wont be from eagle20. thats the least of my concerns.
And folks aint droppin plain loads of Eagle20 on people and crops- completely bogus comparison. maybe you should be comparing the DDT to whats being dumped on vineyards instead. eagle20 is a very small fraction of use.
enjoiy your Pm infested smoke ive been clean for over 2 years
Word to that. Seems folks still have a problem with it...at least enough to rile everyone up.
Ok people lets just forget for a minute that Eagle is dangerous stuff to ponder what else could make it bad. How about for the fact the you are creating super strains of PM(just like flu shots create super flus). Well its one of two reasons why some PM from Norcal is 100x more aggressive and almost impossible to rid of.
Really, cuz i find that to be
100% BULLSHIT. Scare tactics again. I have yet to see one of these "resistant" pm strains. SM referred to the white one last thread...and seems it wasn't the case?
And Norcal PM way aggressive/impossible to get rid of? They must be shitty growers, cuz all the norcal homies are CRANKIN and PM free. Learn to set up and run a room right- plain and simple.
The only problem is indoors in artificial environments the half lives are actually a lot longer.
I could see that, I find indoor based strains to be weaker in normal attributes that outdoor plants have...ala resistance, sensitivity, tendencies, etc.
think we would have to look towards commercial crops for a bigger effect to this, as opposed to indoor cannabis growing... say all the vineyards in CA, for example.
Exactly. I looked into many chems that are used by the wine industry to control PM. Most were WAY too strong to even be sprayed on cannabis. concentrations ridiculously high, systemic break down WAY too long, etc. And these are the norm. But hey why question that industries' practices, i mean don't doctors tell folks its healthy to have a glass of wine a day?
