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Epsilon v2 Plan, 6g per watt goal

i remember now.i saw those before mine. one dude did it in his normal fridge at home.used paper bags and it was a successful dry. he did a small amount, soo it will be interesting to see how long it takes for the bigger batches
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i remember now.i saw those before mine. one dude did it in his normal fridge at home.used paper bags and it was a successful dry. he did a small amount, soo it will be interesting to see how long it takes for the bigger batches
 
i remember now.i saw those before mine. one dude did it in his normal fridge at home.used paper bags and it was a successful dry. he did a small amount, soo it will be interesting to see how long it takes for the bigger batches
I'm curious to see how it handles the full capacity too, I have a few redundancies incase it all goes tits up, the only downside to using a normal fridge is they get too cold for the chlorophyllase to be active enough to break down the chlorophyll, they go into complete shutdown below 12° and the average home fridge is between 3°-6°, so he would have preserved terpenes microterpenes and flavonoids but would still have the hay smell and harsher smoke.
 
Hey Randy 🤠
Glad the plan hit the mark for you, seriously, feel free to hit me up anytime down the line if you’ve got questions. I enjoy condensing and cross-referencing this stuff, and between AI and my own digging I’ve built a pretty broad base. I do double-check anything I pass on, though, learned the hard way that AI can be sharp but also confidently wrong if you don’t already know enough to catch it. Textbooks for depth, AI for clarity is how I approach it.
On the Trivium: I’ve been reading and researching on and off for over 15 years before I even put seed to soil. Tried hydro once a decade ago but my knowledge (and method) back then was terrible and it put me off. Since then I’ve focused more on soil and ecology, and the Trivium framework just naturally fit the way I process information, what, why, how. These days with AI, it’s never been easier to test frameworks and fact-check across systems.
I actually started my seeds today. Rolled them in a bit of sandpaper to lightly scarify, then gave them a 20-hour soak in dechlorinated water with a drop of Trivium and kelp. After that, into peat pellets, holes dusted with mycorrhizal root booster. Put down 40 and I’m hoping for 36 to pop. Here’s a picture from today 👇
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How did your trim go? I know the pain of that grind, trimming is easily my least favorite part of the whole process. Last run it took me close to 30 hours, and by the end I never wanted to look at another pair of scissors again 😂. This time I’m investing in a bowl trimmer to save my sanity. View attachment 2522962How much did you manage to pull in the end, and how’s the quality looking?

Anyway, stoked we’re bouncing ideas like this. It’s rare to meet someone who digs into the deeper layers of thinking rather than just swapping recipes.
I would love to hear how the bowl trimmer worked/works out. I'm thinking about picking one up but have been stalling not knowing how practical they are and how much they trim that doesn't need to be trimmed...?
 
This has been a tremendous read - thank you so much. Your attention to detail and the yield from that tent, with that many plants, and a (relatively) small light is incredible.

I'm also very interested in using AI as a tool for growing. It has saved me countless hours of research and having it update my daily diary with a copious amount of notes to learn from has been amazingly valuable for my second grow.

When I set this up in October, I decided to go with the 69+ controller from AC Infinity. It just felt like their AI controller was so new that I should wait until gen 2 or 3. How has your experience been with their AI controller?
 
This has been a tremendous read - thank you so much. Your attention to detail and the yield from that tent, with that many plants, and a (relatively) small light is incredible.

I'm also very interested in using AI as a tool for growing. It has saved me countless hours of research and having it update my daily diary with a copious amount of notes to learn from has been amazingly valuable for my second grow.

When I set this up in October, I decided to go with the 69+ controller from AC Infinity. It just felt like their AI controller was so new that I should wait until gen 2 or 3. How has your experience been with their AI controller?
Thanks man I appreciate that, I'm really quite proud of what we have managed to achieve, we broke through the known ceiling with relative ease.
It will definitely help and will accelerate your knowledge and understanding, I'm not sure if you take any nootropics but if you don't I would highly recommend them especially if you are past 35 as learning and information retention becomes harder and harder these little beauties keep the brain supple and capable.
In the old days I don't think they were. As needed as the learning curve and exposure to new information was significantly less, now with this new tool I think it's a prerequisite for keeping up with the information flow.
The only advice I can give to improve the reliability of the data you are given is to feed the responses from one AI for example GPT to another AI like Gemini or Claude and ask them can you spot the mistakes and or flaws in this approach or is any of this information wrong or irrelevant.
This will allow you to spot flaws quickly without the necessary understanding of the flaw or information.
I used the 69 pro fine for my first grow and then upgraded unnecessarily to the AI controller and I haven't had any issues at all with it so far, it does the best it can with what it is given my issue has been having to have the extraction on full time due to so much plant mass and soil, the humidity goes crazy in seconds without it so there is very little the AI can do to help me, I would say it's worth it if you don't want to have to do many corrections yourself but you will be fine with the 69 pro until you are ready to upgrade.
 
I would love to hear how the bowl trimmer worked/works out. I'm thinking about picking one up but have been stalling not knowing how practical they are and how much they trim that doesn't need to be trimmed...?
I will let you know on the bowl trimmers I'm still deciding if I want to get one or not as it gives you beautifully trimmed buds but it takes off a lot of the exterior terps, trichomes and pistils, so you end up with much more smokable and good product in amongst your leaves and if your like me and don't do anything with your trimmings then it's a lot of wasted goods.
I have decided for the moment to wait until the first fridge dry and cure is done before deciding, as this method of dry and cure is meant to keep the buds looking like they have just come off the plant, no compaction, every hair and trichome untouched, I like the idea of pretty buds with zero goods wasted more than perfect buds with lots of good waste, I'm aware I can use the trim, I just choose not too, more out of minor laziness and lack of space.
Also I have to be mindful of the smell as I don't want the other flats to be stinking and calling the landlord so I must keep everything contained and trim needs to air out in order to dry out, for me that's not happening.
 
First 7 plants chopped and in paper bags in the fridge, sadly the pizza boxes are arriving late so had to use what I had.
940grams wet came off those 7, that's just the weight of the bud no leaves or stem, so expecting that to reduce down to around 200+ dry but we shall see I held off watering them for 7 days before chopping so hopefully it won't be less than two hundo 😁
 
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Day 4 of being in boxes in the fridge the boxes are wicking too slowly so I will transfer the bud to paper bags and add a dehumidifier pack, humidity rose from 65% to 90% in the first 2 days and lowered to 85% after 3 days but I will need the fridge space in 10 days so I will be moving to the faster method, I have placed a wireless sensor in each box to measure humidity but I may need to purchase more one for each bag.
I smoked some of the velvet drip and the flavour and high are insane, tastes like sherbet and hits like a truck and that's before any proper cure.
Any questions?
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Minor mistake on my part I bought 10x10x30cm glass jars for storage but the space between shelves is 8cm...
So I will try to send back 6 of the 9 I ordered get £60 back and then I can order 12 of the right size ones..

I've just found the perfect size and I can get 12 for £65 instead of 9 of the current for £90.
Thankfully I can still use two of the remaining 3 in the bottom of the fridge so this will do for the first batch gives plenty of time for the others to arrive.
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Quick update:
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Day 4 of being in boxes in the fridge the boxes are wicking too slowly so I will transfer the bud to paper bags and add a dehumidifier pack, humidity rose from 65% to 90% in the first 2 days and lowered to 85% after 3 days but I will need the fridge space in 10 days so I will be moving to the faster method, I have placed a wireless sensor in each box to measure humidity but I may need to purchase more one for each bag.
I smoked some of the velvet drip and the flavour and high are insane, tastes like sherbet and hits like a truck and that's before any proper cure.
Any questions?
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Worth noting that I can't recommend the refrigeration method highly enough, even though it's the slower of many methods the smell and flavour preservation are clear, every time I open the door, the smell floods the room but it also does a great job of containing all the smell.
I would say it already smells better than 90% of weed I've ever smoked 100% better than all the bud in Amsterdam, as that in my opinion all smells and tastes basically identical.
Also the bud structure is just incredible no flattened trichomes and no squashed buds each is as beautiful as it was when it left the plant.
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I've also ordered one of these for trimming to contain the smell when doing final trim. Only £30. Bargain for what it does
 
Worth noting that I can't recommend the refrigeration method highly enough, even though it's the slower of many methods the smell and flavour preservation are clear, every time I open the door, the smell floods the room but it also does a great job of containing all the smell.
I would say it already smells better than 90% of weed I've ever smoked 100% better than all the bud in Amsterdam, as that in my opinion all smells and tastes basically identical.
Also the bud structure is just incredible no flattened trichomes and no squashed buds each is as beautiful as it was when it left the plant.
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I've also ordered one of these for trimming to contain the smell when doing final trim. Only £30. Bargain for what it does
Whrn buds are fully dry.and you break it up then you noticr the difference with fridge and normal drying. Everybidy that tried mine comments smells
 
Whrn buds are fully dry.and you break it up then you noticr the difference with fridge and normal drying. Everybidy that tried mine comments smells
I honestly can wait for that stage, how many days does yours take from entering the fridge to fully dry? I approximate 12-14 days based on current water volume and wicking ratio but that may reduce to 10-12 days in paper bags.
Also do you continue to store yours in the fridge for curing?
Do you notice a deterioration in the quality over time? Or does it stay just as fresh and potent?
 
Final cost of entire setup and run up to now including cost for 3rd grow curing method, seeds, soil, literally everything.

Glass Jars x9 £99
Hygrometers & sensors £46
Pizza boxes £23
10 aluminium gauze sheets for pizza boxes £12
Carbon filter mat £6
200 brown bags £6
Wine fridge £150
Total £342
Complete cryo cure setup.
Setup & Upgrades to epsilon v2 from eBay £380
Seeds £360
Soil and parts from Amazon £265
Microbiology £110
£1447. Total spent on V2 +/- £100
Total including original setup of V1 cost £3647
Total saved from 2 grows £4353

3rd grow is free, soil reused, seeds from free seeds given by dispensaries, left over nutrients from last grow enough for another 2.
May need more microbes for V3 so total cost for 3rd grow £109

3rd grow cost per gram £0.00

All savings invested to crypto 😂 +£4k per year
 
I honestly can wait for that stage, how many days does yours take from entering the fridge to fully dry? I approximate 12-14 days based on current water volume and wicking ratio but that may reduce to 10-12 days in paper bags.
Also do you continue to store yours in the fridge for curing?
Do you notice a deterioration in the quality over time? Or does it stay just as fresh and potent?
Around that time 10-15 days. Depends on my outside temps as well since fridge has to work harder when room is 30c compared to 18c.
I tried the storing this year but after 5months the biggest fattest bud molded.soo i am not gonna do it anymore maybe max 1month...
But ita my fault there was a lot inside
 
Around that time 10-15 days. Depends on my outside temps as well since fridge has to work harder when room is 30c compared to 18c.
I tried the storing this year but after 5months the biggest fattest bud molded.soo i am not gonna do it anymore maybe max 1month...
But ita my fault there was a lot inside
That makes sense I was curious to how the room temperature would effect the working function but it seems relatively unaffected so far.
That's good to know will keep an eye on my larger buds, my largest is around the size of a pool ball between that and a tennis ball I may break it up now after hearing your experience..
What's the largest buds you put in the cooler? I tried to go no bigger than golf ball size but I have a few that are near tennis ball and not sure if the fridge will be able to get to the internal moisture.
Also did you use boveda packs or two way humidity packs? And it still went mouldy?
 
That makes sense I was curious to how the room temperature would effect the working function but it seems relatively unaffected so far.
That's good to know will keep an eye on my larger buds, my largest is around the size of a pool ball between that and a tennis ball I may break it up now after hearing your experience..
What's the largest buds you put in the cooler? I tried to go no bigger than golf ball size but I have a few that are near tennis ball and not sure if the fridge will be able to get to the internal moisture.
Also did you use boveda packs or two way humidity packs? And it still went mouldy?
Half my arm and fist size it was a big boy main bud from purple there is photos of it from end of grow. I put it whole inside bad idea...
Didnt use boveda.and i think after a few months when humidity was okej the dehu disnt run and it has a big fan soo maybe the air didnt move enough under the pile
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Half my arm and fist size it was a big boy main bud from purple there is photos of it from end of grow. I put it whole inside bad idea...
Didnt use boveda.and i think after a few months when humidity was okej the dehu disnt run and it has a big fan soo maybe the air didnt move enough under the pile
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Jesus dude! that's about 5x more than I expected to ever see in a small fridge 😂, there was me worrying about too much plant matter, that looks like a good 3-4kg wet plant, do you dry them at all before stacking and did you not have issues of moisture buildup on the areas that where touching each other?
That bud is a monster I'm not surprised it went a lil mouldy inside did you manage to save much of her? Such fat calyxes on it never seen any pop that size🤯
Deffo try fridge curing with bovida packs and glass jars apparently it will keep them fresh and flavourful for +12 months according to multiple AI sources.
I can't get over how jammed your fridge is 😂
 
Jesus dude! that's about 5x more than I expected to ever see in a small fridge 😂, there was me worrying about too much plant matter, that looks like a good 3-4kg wet plant, do you dry them at all before stacking and did you not have issues of moisture buildup on the areas that where touching each other?
That bud is a monster I'm not surprised it went a lil mouldy inside did you manage to save much of her? Such fat calyxes on it never seen any pop that size🤯
Deffo try fridge curing with bovida packs and glass jars apparently it will keep them fresh and flavourful for +12 months according to multiple AI sources.
I can't get over how jammed your fridge is 😂
It was close to 250g dry.
No i just wet trimmed them.there is a photo in the diary 2 or 3 days after the fridge was half empty all of a sudden haha
Normally i use the shelves from the fridge and dont stack it too much but i had too much and after a night of trimming i just wanted to get it over with.allsoo i wanted to see the limits i can push.and i guess i can push.those buds where allsoo really dense didnt have any problems.

First 2 or 3 days i had 90% humidity and then it started dropping.

Dont forget we have different fridges soo
 
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