Fogponics. As good or better than Hydro?

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No hijack. We will see where this takes us. I’m having a hard time believing that small or home growers go away because Bayer enters the game. Based on what I have seen with the vaccine hysteria weed grown by pharmaceutical companies would get rejected by half the population because of the source.
I should have qualified who is going to take the lead on growing commercial cannabis in the future. It could be the tobacco industry or the alcohol industry. I do not believe it will be big pharma.
I believe there will be home growers that grow For personal use and probably some friends and family. But the guy with 10 lights in his house or a small warehouse is probably finished IMO.
Locally I am kind of shocked things have not began to level out. It is no big secret the socal legal rec seen sales a large quantity of their product out the back door. I know their prices are down as well. The overhead associated with these grows is pretty substantial and it has to be hurting their bottom line as well.
The odd thing is the price for a zip or smaller has not changed. Many of the small delivery guys that use to buy 1/4 pound have folded up shop.
I do not fully understand all of this.
 
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I should have qualified who is going to take the lead on growing commercial cannabis in the future. It could be the tobacco industry or the alcohol industry. I do not believe it will be big pharma.
I believe there will be home growers that grow For personal use and probably some friends and family. But the guy with 10 lights in his house or a small warehouse is probably finished IMO.
Locally I am kind of shocked things have not began to level out. It is no big secret the socal legal rec seen sales a large quantity of their product out the back door. I know their prices are down as well. The overhead associated with these grows is pretty substantial and it has to be hurting their bottom line as well.
The odd thing is the price for a zip or smaller has not changed. Many of the small delivery guys that use to buy 1/4 pound have folded up shop.
I do not fully understand all of this.
If cannabis starts to replace over the counter pills or doctor issued at a much larger scale (I am talking this could take decades), and then it starts to affect big pharms income, they will sit up and take notice and do something about it. Just my thoughts. Farm-gate here we come :D
 
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I'm kinda done making predictions about the market and big pharma and US law. I have not yet hit one right, so I'll just wait and see.

I do believe it will be different in say California or Colorado and say Texas, just because the markets are not new and have reached saturation. I think there might be some wiggle room in the newly legal states that does not exist in the old markets. But then again, if it is legal across the US, they can now ship product from Cali to Mississippi, that might blow up those markets too.

Who knows. Not me. Good thing my success is not tied to these uncontrollable market forces, feel bad for those caught up in it.
 
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Folks, I'm taking a break. I'll see ya when I see ya. I got enough stress in my life to come here and get another helping, so I'm done for a while. No, not this thread, just in general.

@Moshmen I'll text you this weekend to work out the clone shipping thing. @SweetLeafGrow you know how to reach me if you need help with your PH.

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Folks, I'm taking a break. I'll see ya when I see ya. I got enough stress in my life to come here and get another helping, so I'm done for a while. No, not this thread, just in general.

@Moshmen I'll text you this weekend to work out the clone shipping thing. @SweetLeafGrow you know how to reach me if you need help with your PH.

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Everyone needs a break brother and I been burning at both ends ! Break well deserved
 
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Been a ball buster of a couple of months. Got pretty sick for a minute there and gave up on the stuff I was growing. Thanks to a little automation, at least I didn't kill everything.

Still taking a big step back until I come out the other end of this, but hope to do that soon. Still have several tests ahead in the next 2 weeks, should be more solid and have a plan once that stuff is done.

For now, I just don't have it in me to design on the fly and play with all the cool toys. I've gone back to the old school tried and true RWDC for the stuff I want to finish out. It's easy, reliable, and I don't really have to do much to that system any more. Fits my current needs well.

Once I'm back on my feet fully, I'll do this fog up right again. I really loved watching this process, for some reason it was more "fun" than standard hydro if that makes sense? Ballistic growth. So much so that the roots were so big the plant could not be moved - they would not fit thru the hole up top. So I have some changes to make before I restart this up.

Cheers everyone, and have a happy Thanksgiving if you are in the US. If you aren't, please feel free to eat the bird anyhow 🖕 😘
 
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You too man. Hopefully your case of cheese dick is almost over too and you are back at it.

Did the Durban clones I sent you survive?
I’m back up a little limp but gettin there! lol - nah I didn’t have the heart to tell but since ya asked no they were just to wet when they arrived - no big deal- so I have an even better idea I 🤔 I’ll get with ya later. Hopefully you’ve slowed down just a touch? Life is short stop and smell your flowers
 
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I really loved watching this process, for some reason it was more "fun" than standard hydro if that makes sense? Ballistic growth. So much so that the roots were so big the plant could not be moved - they would not fit thru the hole up top.
@Moe.Red Thank you For this thread and all your efforts here! I hope your situation continues to improve.
@Aqua Man thank you for your contributions to this thread, the subject experiment and all of your efforts here.

I am a gardener and cannabis enthusiast. I have grown cannabis outdoors the past 2 summers here in downstate NY with some success and I have decided to do an indoor hydro grow this winter.

I found this thread while searching for info on the use of nutrient fog in cannabis cultivation. After reading the entire thread I was saddened to see your post of Oct 28. I am glad to see your situation has improved somewhat and hopeful that this worthy experiment may proceed someday.

I will be posting a grow thread of my own to solicit advice on a variety of topics.

Fifteen years ago I did an indoor hydro grow as a project with my teenage son. We grew leaf lettuce and other salad greens. We started with a DWC raft, then a few DWC tubs with net pots hanging from holes in the lid. On several trips to the hydro store, I was awed by their side-by-side display of two DWC grows. One was standard DWC and the other had much lower water volume with the resulting air gap pumped full of nutrient fog. The difference in the growth rates was stark.
I purchased a 6 disk fogger and made a DIY fog box to emulate the hydro store's display. Within a few weeks, the growth rate of our greens exploded exponentially. I tried to lift a net pot out of it's hole and found that the root system had grown into a gigantic cottony mass of roots and root hairs that would no longer fit through the hole.

I want to try to use a similar system in my upcoming cannabis grow.
 
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@Moe.Red Thank you For this thread and all your efforts here! I hope your situation continues to improve.
@Aqua Man thank you for your contributions to this thread, the subject experiment and all of your efforts here.

I am a gardener and cannabis enthusiast. I have grown cannabis outdoors the past 2 summers here in downstate NY with some success and I have decided to do an indoor hydro grow this winter.

I found this thread while searching for info on the use of nutrient fog in cannabis cultivation. After reading the entire thread I was saddened to see your post of Oct 28. I am glad to see your situation has improved somewhat and hopeful that this worthy experiment may proceed someday.

I will be posting a grow thread of my own to solicit advice on a variety of topics.

Fifteen years ago I did an indoor hydro grow as a project with my teenage son. We grew leaf lettuce and other salad greens. We started with a DWC raft, then a few DWC tubs with net pots hanging from holes in the lid. On several trips to the hydro store, I was awed by their side-by-side display of two DWC grows. One was standard DWC and the other had much lower water volume with the resulting air gap pumped full of nutrient fog. The difference in the growth rates was stark.
I purchased a 6 disk fogger and made a DIY fog box to emulate the hydro store's display. Within a few weeks, the growth rate of our greens exploded exponentially. I tried to lift a net pot out of it's hole and found that the root system had grown into a gigantic cottony mass of roots and root hairs that would no longer fit through the hole.

I want to try to use a similar system in my upcoming cannabis grow.
Welcome.

I'm not done with Fog, just paused. There are changes I need to make before I start back up. For example, when the plants get bigger, it becomes impossible to lift them up because the roots are too big for the holes I made. This make maintenance virtually impossible - an major oversight on my part. I had to cut the roots off to get them out of the system. 🤬 The small net pots are tipping over as the plants get top heavy, and this results in light leaks into the res and O2 escape. This needs to be resolved. I am wasting a lot of nutes with my lack of recirculation of the source water. I have a clever design on the board to fix that, just need to implement before I restart.

So yeah, once I'm back on my feet fully I will come back and address these issues and start grow #2 in this system and post it up. What I can say is this was turning out to be an amazing grow before I shit the bed with it. This system works. I really like the lighting too, first time using the raging kush 2 for me.

I think I figured out and addressed all the other shortcomings of my design already. Heat, nute PPM / delivery, O2, and ability to measure and control with software has all been sorted out.
 
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