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Such organic additives are much larger on the molecular level than the dissolved ions of the salts and can clog the nozzles much faster. This is actually a known problem - I am not speaking from my own experience, I only grow on coco. But as my tank looks right now with organic additives I would not give that through fine nozzles I think.Organic and organisms are not the same… how can beneficial organisms cause problems? Its done in hydro as well which you dont want organics in either.
what disadvantages? You neglected to look at the advantages that fogponics provides over the others you mentioned.
There will definitely be challenges but in the end it should provide similar growth to aeroponic which is faster than both the systems you name.
Organisms and organics are not the same… you do understand that right? Your missing half of the equation. I know how all these things work i dont need to read the article.Such organic additives are much larger on the molecular level than the dissolved ions of the salts and can clog the nozzles much faster. This is actually a known problem - I am not speaking from my own experience, I only grow on coco. But as my tank looks right now with organic additives I would not give that through fine nozzles I think.
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For the disadvantages of closed systems, I recommend the article on manics
Fk the bubbler cut and stick in the dirt with Clonex......It was me trying a diy cloner.....its more work and noise its just going to be cut, dip and plant on my next ones....I gotta get a couple of cuts off my GSC real soon. and I'm not getting fancy with themI just ordered flexible a copper coil. I can plumb that right up to my chiller and get control over this instantaneously. I'm gonna have this issue X 4 when these move to flower, so I gotta hack something together over there too.
For you I'll bet you could do something clever with outside temps pretty soon. Could you put the bucket in the garage or something? Save on ice and labor?
From a scientific perspective, I have yet to read any evidence that Aeroponic is better than coco with high-freq-fert.The o2 level of the rootzone has a massive effect on the growth rates… compare soil to aeroponic and you will see that. Coco is a great option over soil for that reason and hydro even more than coco but close aeroponic and fogponic are even better
you also waste a lot of water and nutrients in dtw… i have done both.
there are no nozzles to clog and he is using salt based fertilizer not organic
Personally i thinks its more than acceptes that aeroponic growth rates far exceed other grow methods. Lots of studies out there and information on o2 and its imoact on growth.From a scientific perspective, I have yet to read any evidence that Aeroponic is better than coco with high-freq-fert.
For root health and processes at the roots it has many advantages that are missing with a mediumless system.
The oxygen supply is probably already at the optimum in a coco perlite mix.
I have been growing according to your system for half a year now. Initially, I wanted to take Coco only for practice until I do real hydro. But all the information in the half year speaks for the fact that Coco-Hydro is the best system.
If you are more concerned with additives like humic acids, amino acids and other bennies, an organic medium like Coco also makes more sense imho.
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Yes, the system has a few indirect disadvantages, including that. But for the plants, in my opinion or to my knowledge, it has only benefits
Oh, I'm sorry, I'll have to look at the system again. I had only seen on page two that the problem was talked about.
I use only mineral nutrient salts in my case, too, but other organic additives that are rather unsuitable for fine nozzles.
Of course, if nozzles are not used here, that's not a problem.
Personally i thinks its more than acceptes that aeroponic growth rates far exceed other grow methods. Lots of studies out there and information on o2 and its imoact on growth.
for instance over watering is not to much water but lack of o2… this is largely due to the media used
It can and coco and hydo can have very similar growth. This is exactly what @Moe.Red and I are working on now… raising o2 above current saturation levels in hydro, aero, fod and soilessYes, I agree with you there. Perlite has the special property that it holds air even during watering, so that the substrate cannot really be overwatered.
With Aeroponic, however, I would suspect that if the roots are always completely covered with water, the oxygen supply could be even worse than in coco perlit mix.
Unfortunately I can not find the place on manics, but there it is compared with a DWC. There is only as much oxygen as can be dissolved in the water. Coco perlit has a much better oxygen supply at the roots compared to a DWC.
Gotta go back and read some more and look at your sources, but off the bat I think we are working on different hypothesis.Yes, I agree with you there. Perlite has the special property that it holds air even during watering, so that the substrate cannot really be overwatered.
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With Aeroponic, however, I would suspect that if the roots are always completely covered with water, the oxygen supply could be even worse than in coco perlit mix.
Unfortunately I can not find the place on manics, but there it is compared with a DWC. There is only as much oxygen as can be dissolved in the water. Coco perlit has a much better oxygen supply at the roots compared to a DWC.
It can and coco and hydo can have very similar growth. This is exactly what @Moe.Red and I are working on now… raising o2 above current saturation levels in hydro, aero, fod and soiless
Please do and tag me in to follow along by typing the @ then the username and a drop down box will come up, so like @Jay13.aka.DutchStuff(and make a grow diary here)
What brings you to the farm? You seem like you might be in the supply end of the market, more than just a casual grower such as myself.
With Aqua or with @Aqua Man (We call him Aqua)? Welcome to the Farm either way. You should post some pics and get to know the communityOh no, just a guy from europe who's reading here for half a year, got deep into coco with aqua, saw this thread today and thought it is time to write something here
I dunno what im even talking about but can the fogger b made out of alloy to dissipiate the heat?
Mount the foggers externally on a heat sink for a base?
would require a design change by cutting holes in the bottom to have the disc portion only inside.
Maybe i say to much?
This is kind of what I'm dreaming of for my own setup. Have the foggers in a dedicated reservoir and push it into individual plant sites similar to multisite DWC or NFT.
I'd think you could get a lot of cooling just from that bit of travel through the lower ambient temps of the pipework.
Think @Moe.Red and I talked about that before. Definitely some workarounds available for this.
its either.
1. remove the heat source from the water if possible.
2. Adress the heat after its transferred to the water.
imo number 1. Is the most economical if it can be done
You may be stoned, but you think like I do. I guess that means time for me to catch up.Don't rhizospheres create their own microclimate that they can, to some extent, regulate?
I don't quite see the logic in any media - even one that's exceptionally porous and inert - providing more mobility than air/vapor. The vapor solution is constantly exchanging places with air and I can't imagine the way plants uptake oxygen to be anything that wouldn't take advantage of that refresh rate. In the example of DWC, sure, because the oxygenation occurs in water, but anything that significantly suspends the rootzone above the solution, I would think would benefit from the superior transfer of air/vapor.
Nor do I see the insulating property of a medium to really be all that important if we're talking about growth rates and optimization. Ideally, you'd never run into the scenario where you're chasing temperatures, just like, ideally, you'd never want a drip line to clog.
You guys know more than me though, so maybe I'm just talking out my stoned tooter.
Interesting stuff either way.
With @Aqua Man - How To Water Coco For Best Results -> very good threadWith Aqua or with @Aqua Man (We call him Aqua)? Welcome to the Farm either way. You should post some pics and get to know the community
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