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that pics from Gas's garden, but only a couple people still hold the cut from 1984'
but as u can see, pics don't lie, some interesting traits from these old crosses. the blue orca is dead on w/bubba & scal master .... :bookworm:
& if you go back on the mag' in all the old ( kush or og ) threads 2005-06, only a couple names come up. 80% of the ogs today were not even around in conversations including raskal, swereve ect ....
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Blue Orca / N.L. 5/Haze male i'll be using ....
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Blue Moon Rocks / The " One " (#1)
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& a couple BO /NL/Haze females going outside soon ....., this one tossing 3 blades
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Unicorn O.G.
... last year she was in a 3 1/2 gallon tote, gonna try 55 gallons this year :confused:
will not see this one much so we cooked some soil up over the last month. & see what she can do on a small island / stream so if she needs it, drawing water from below ... :cool:
poultry shells, castings, lime, kelp, bone meal, local blk dirt, ect .... :woot:
... last year she was in a 3 1/2 gallon tote, gonna try 55 gallons this year :confused:
will not see this one much so we cooked some soil up over the last month. & see what she can do on a small island / stream so if she needs it, drawing water from below ... :cool:
poultry shells, castings, lime, kelp, bone meal, local blk dirt, ect .... :woot:
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Blazing thread spider.....im enjoying every minute
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a couple Blue Orca x N.L. 5Hz .....
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& the 88'-f2-N.L. 5Hz bouncing back from a slow start .........
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Well, there's Gerrit, and Nev is a bit Dutch...
But yes, the Dutch were the businessmen, they hired people to breed for them or bought seed in from a few producers (e.g. Sensi bough their stock from Nev)...
What hempy fails to grasp is that some of the US elite cuttings are almost certainly phenos of very old indica lines that reached US shores in the 70s, before Green Merchant etc and the Reagan 80s, leftovers from the golden age of the 70s...
Bubba Kush being a prime example, no way is it a hybrid of common commercial stock, it's highly inbred and truebreeding, totally dominates in crosses, all this indicates it's a pheno of a highly worked IBL, many suspect (and I'm one of them) that it's simply a pheno of an Afghani hashplant, it's probably been around a long time and could well be from the PNW as there are some extremely similar cuttings like the Oregon Afghani...
Then there are the kushes, simple to work out what they are - some are like Bubba, leftovers of old lines, things like the Oregon Affi, LA Affi, Dabney Blue, BC Purple Kush, the 'King' and 'Queen' from BC that begat Pink Kush etc etc...
Nevil obtained seeds from the US of lines from the late 70s indica imports - things like the NL lines, Kush#4. Hashplant and others, he bred with them and sold a lot of seed back to the Yanks...
But to suggest that all the US elites are from the seeds made in Holland is ludicrous...
The Cali Kushes are all likely descendents of the late 70s indicas, people hoarded those old cuts for a very long time so often the only way people could get their hands on some of those genes was to pop the seeds they found in the bags they bought, hence the stories of bagseeds that litter the tales about the Kushes and the proliferation of similar and related Kushes. Now the med scene is established, the older growers who hoarded things for a long time have let stuff out and quite a few of the old 70s indica cuttings have become quite easily available in Cali, things like the Pure Kush, LA Affi, Oregon Affi etc etc...
Why did Nev use Haze as a key to much of his work? Simple, it was the best sativa he was able to obtain, if there had still been equally good stuff in Thailand he would have gone there and got it...
Why did Nev go to the US and obtain the best indicas then use those in his work? Again, simple, if he had been able to go to Afghanistan and obtain breeding stock of that quality he would have (he did go to the border and obtained the Mazar, but the US indicas were obviously better breeding stock as those were what he used...)
So all in all, let's not get into trite arguments about silly theories of all US stuff being Dutch, let's looks at the history of what actually happened:
60s and early 70s - many people travelled the hippie trail to places like Kabul and Kathmandu, much hash was smuggled, many brought back seeds...
mid 70s - early 80s - US experiences a massive boom in domestic cultivation
mid 70s - late 70s - many significant imports of indica seeds occur, DJ Short mentions the first indica seed he saw arriving in 76, the first sweet Kush type a year later
early 80s - Green Merchant and DEA efforts drive growers deep underground
mid 80s - late 90s - huge quantities of Dutch-produced seeds are shipped to the US
No reason at all to doubt that some of those indicas that were imported in the 70s or were brought back from the Hippie trail survived to the present day in the form of isolated cuttings, because of the climate of oppression in the 80s and 90s, growers were very underground, so it is not suspicious that these cuttings only 'surface' in recent times after the advent of the internet and growers being able to communicate outside their immediate circle.
No doubt some of the US elites are from Nev's breeds, the Sour Diesel line has a lot of Super Skunk in it, for example, Shoreline and Green Crack/Cush are both Skunk hybrids, Cuddlefish Hashplant is a pheno of HPxNL, there are other examples.
Bot no way is everything Dutch, that's just a daft statement.
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Well, there's Gerrit, and Nev is a bit Dutch...
But yes, the Dutch were the businessmen, they hired people to breed for them or bought seed in from a few producers (e.g. Sensi bough their stock from Nev)...
What hempy fails to grasp is that some of the US elite cuttings are almost certainly phenos of very old indica lines that reached US shores in the 70s, before Green Merchant etc and the Reagan 80s, leftovers from the golden age of the 70s...
Bubba Kush being a prime example, no way is it a hybrid of common commercial stock, it's highly inbred and truebreeding, totally dominates in crosses, all this indicates it's a pheno of a highly worked IBL, many suspect (and I'm one of them) that it's simply a pheno of an Afghani hashplant, it's probably been around a long time and could well be from the PNW as there are some extremely similar cuttings like the Oregon Afghani...
Then there are the kushes, simple to work out what they are - some are like Bubba, leftovers of old lines, things like the Oregon Affi, LA Affi, Dabney Blue, BC Purple Kush, the 'King' and 'Queen' from BC that begat Pink Kush etc etc...
Nevil obtained seeds from the US of lines from the late 70s indica imports - things like the NL lines, Kush#4. Hashplant and others, he bred with them and sold a lot of seed back to the Yanks...
But to suggest that all the US elites are from the seeds made in Holland is ludicrous...
The Cali Kushes are all likely descendents of the late 70s indicas, people hoarded those old cuts for a very long time so often the only way people could get their hands on some of those genes was to pop the seeds they found in the bags they bought, hence the stories of bagseeds that litter the tales about the Kushes and the proliferation of similar and related Kushes. Now the med scene is established, the older growers who hoarded things for a long time have let stuff out and quite a few of the old 70s indica cuttings have become quite easily available in Cali, things like the Pure Kush, LA Affi, Oregon Affi etc etc...
Why did Nev use Haze as a key to much of his work? Simple, it was the best sativa he was able to obtain, if there had still been equally good stuff in Thailand he would have gone there and got it...
Why did Nev go to the US and obtain the best indicas then use those in his work? Again, simple, if he had been able to go to Afghanistan and obtain breeding stock of that quality he would have (he did go to the border and obtained the Mazar, but the US indicas were obviously better breeding stock as those were what he used...)
So all in all, let's not get into trite arguments about silly theories of all US stuff being Dutch, let's looks at the history of what actually happened:
60s and early 70s - many people travelled the hippie trail to places like Kabul and Kathmandu, much hash was smuggled, many brought back seeds...
mid 70s - early 80s - US experiences a massive boom in domestic cultivation
mid 70s - late 70s - many significant imports of indica seeds occur, DJ Short mentions the first indica seed he saw arriving in 76, the first sweet Kush type a year later
early 80s - Green Merchant and DEA efforts drive growers deep underground
mid 80s - late 90s - huge quantities of Dutch-produced seeds are shipped to the US
No reason at all to doubt that some of those indicas that were imported in the 70s or were brought back from the Hippie trail survived to the present day in the form of isolated cuttings, because of the climate of oppression in the 80s and 90s, growers were very underground, so it is not suspicious that these cuttings only 'surface' in recent times after the advent of the internet and growers being able to communicate outside their immediate circle.
No doubt some of the US elites are from Nev's breeds, the Sour Diesel line has a lot of Super Skunk in it, for example, Shoreline and Green Crack/Cush are both Skunk hybrids, Cuddlefish Hashplant is a pheno of HPxNL, there are other examples.
Bot no way is everything Dutch, that's just a daft statement.
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The pure kush we have up here is huge nugs, just a tad lower on taste and high then the OG, but for the size of buds , well worth using as a cross if you can get "that" version of Pure Kush. The grapefruit i grew wasnt from clone, it was from seeds from Scotts Valley. This was back in 01 or so. I think there are many "kush" bagseeds of all types, personally I think some of the best kush still exists along with the rks up here in norcal. Too many old timers who have strains that dont get out!.. all these guys do is grow thier own strains from genes that date back into the 60's-80's. Thats where this purple kush came from, it was old girl so i selfed her and she is looking much more vigorous. The Bubba and Pure Kush reminds me more of old cali kushes, but the Og is def one of my favorites. Havent tried the TK , but im sure its just a matter of time and effort! hehe.. here's the purple kush , sometime ago, hot room some bugs.. but ohwell! .. heavey hitter that makes you cough up a lung!
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The pure kush we have up here is huge nugs, just a tad lower on taste and high then the OG, but for the size of buds , well worth using as a cross if you can get "that" version of Pure Kush. The grapefruit i grew wasnt from clone, it was from seeds from Scotts Valley. This was back in 01 or so. I think there are many "kush" bagseeds of all types, personally I think some of the best kush still exists along with the rks up here in norcal. Too many old timers who have strains that dont get out!.. all these guys do is grow thier own strains from genes that date back into the 60's-80's. Thats where this purple kush came from, it was old girl so i selfed her and she is looking much more vigorous. The Bubba and Pure Kush reminds me more of old cali kushes, but the Og is def one of my favorites. Havent tried the TK , but im sure its just a matter of time and effort! hehe.. here's the purple kush , sometime ago, hot room some bugs.. but ohwell! .. heavey hitter that makes you cough up a lung!
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life's been life bro. had a bunch of the outdoor ripped off and this drought had some adverse effects on what i have left.
cool on the leb, just wondering when i'll see some interesting hybrids or something. you lost that acapulco gold cut i sent right?
mark- triangle kush is a southeast kush strain, its called triangle because its a three-way cross of two kushes and a thai. its an old-school cross, a friend of mine has had the cut since '92 i think. its by far the strongest, tastiest of the kushes ive tried. and hell yes, i'd love to see some ortega! i LOVE that one, wish it was more readily available than it currently is.
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life's been life bro. had a bunch of the outdoor ripped off and this drought had some adverse effects on what i have left.
cool on the leb, just wondering when i'll see some interesting hybrids or something. you lost that acapulco gold cut i sent right?
mark- triangle kush is a southeast kush strain, its called triangle because its a three-way cross of two kushes and a thai. its an old-school cross, a friend of mine has had the cut since '92 i think. its by far the strongest, tastiest of the kushes ive tried. and hell yes, i'd love to see some ortega! i LOVE that one, wish it was more readily available than it currently is.
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Im so hurt I popped some ortegas seeds and only have a couple survivors of each strain im hoping atleast one of each growout so I can clone regardless of gender I need those beans to see out the rest of thier life im still learning how special they are and I gottem over a year ago.... fingers crossed
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hope u find some fire ...., post some pics when they get bigger if u can. we would get n.l. 5 in 96 - 98 & it was $500oz no deals. each oz was a christmas tree in the jar, just tops making up each oz ...
we heard they were 2 doctors from india ..... million dollar house filled w/lights busted ....
we heard they were 2 doctors from india ..... million dollar house filled w/lights busted ....
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Will do, danks for sharing the stories and histories I love the paths these plants have taken.....we have selected this crop for over 10,000 years:wtf:
Its are duty to continue this journey! I have Jim Ortegas Chemdog, diesel, kush#1, and kush #4 :sorry: im pampering them and watching them closely!
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wait till bodhi drops his landrace shit from the maha kumbh mela (every 12 yr).... ( they have a smaller gathering every year. i wanna go myself but next year its on the west coast, id rather visit the east mt. region so might wait ..... )
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couple pics ..... in a 20 gallon tote ....
this Blue Moon Rocks x the " one " is looking good. the leafs have an unique amber color / leaf serration, thai traits swami talked about in the mom ......
the bugs are brutal this year .... :confused:
this Blue Moon Rocks x the " one " is looking good. the leafs have an unique amber color / leaf serration, thai traits swami talked about in the mom ......
the bugs are brutal this year .... :confused:
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