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oscar169 · Dec 12, 2013

Ok lets say I want to mix up 5 gallons of the 0-52-34 mono & want to add the B1, how much of the B1 would you add to the 5 gallon of water ?

CelticEBE · Dec 13, 2013

oscar169 said:
post a link the gallon your talking about, the other link for the dry is out of stock,

I have no idea what the ratio would be. Here's the B1 I picked up at Home Depot though....

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Western-States-1-gal-Vitamin-B-1-Liquid-Fertilizer-100047058/100607914#

oscar169 · Dec 13, 2013

Ok I got everything put together for my 50#s of 0-52-34

CelticEBE · Dec 15, 2013

oscar169 said:
Ok I got everything put together for my 50#s of 0-52-34
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Think I am going to do the same thing here soon Oscar. I found MKP on ebay for cheap! Probably just get a 25lb bag though. At 70 bucks that is a steal.

I noticed that you have the OLD formulation of Fire.....you lucky dog!!! I did find a 4 liter on the shelf somewhere the other day...but I am cautious to use it as I know it has been sitting there for some time. Maybe I should give Bryce a call and ask him what the shelf life is on the OLD Fire.

oscar169 · Dec 16, 2013

I have one more 4 L of the old fire also..:D Just make sure you shake it real good before every use and you"ll be good, Yeah I'm stoked about the Fire/MKP combo you can't go wrong.
I bought that 50# of MKP and the a lid to keep it dry and have maybe $130.00 including the oxo jar I bought of Amazon:cool:, a little bottle of MOAB at the Hydro Store is like $50.00...:blackeye:

CelticEBE · Dec 16, 2013

I guess I will have to swoop in on that 4 liter then. One of my best runs as far as quality and quantity was with the old formula.

Did you get your MKP from kelp4less?

Gamrstwin36 · Dec 16, 2013

oscar169 said:
Ok I got everything put together for my 50#s of 0-52-34
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Wassup HEAVY HEADS?? So been watching. .so instead of buying MOAB just grab the Vit B and that MKB?? What's the ratios?? Was about to grab moab till you Guys came with this BREAKTHROUGH. .ENLIGHTEN ME!!!!

CelticEBE · Dec 16, 2013

Gamrstwin36 said:
Wassup HEAVY HEADS?? So been watching. .so instead of buying MOAB just grab the Vit B and that MKB?? What's the ratios?? Was about to grab moab till you Guys came with this BREAKTHROUGH. .ENLIGHTEN ME!!!!

MKP is pretty much the same thing as MOAB. The only thing different is they have B1 salts mixed in as well.

Same ratio....so usage would be the same. As far as how much b1 to add I am not sure.

Gamrstwin36 · Dec 16, 2013

CelticEBE said:
MKP is pretty much the same thing as MOAB. The only thing different is they have B1 salts mixed in as well.

Same ratio....so usage would be the same. As far as how much b1 to add I am not sure.

So do i NEED the B1? Gonna buy the MKB online would a store carry the MKB?? Or just stick to getting online? And Thanks Celtic! !!

CelticEBE · Dec 16, 2013

Gamrstwin36 said:
So do i NEED the B1? Gonna buy the MKB online would a store carry the MKB?? Or just stick to getting online? And Thanks Celtic! !!

MKP....not MKB. Monopotasium Phospate. You can find it online through ebay or kelp4less.com

The b1 is just to keep your plants from being shocked....with that big of a jump in P and K it's probably best to add b1.

Gamrstwin36 · Dec 16, 2013

CelticEBE said:
MKP....not MKB. Monopotasium Phospate. You can find it online through ebay or kelp4less.com

The b1 is just to keep your plants from being shocked....with that big of a jump in P and K it's probably best to add b1.

Yeah my bad lol ok im on it...will update soon...doing a vertical scrog Heavy everything still have original Bottle of fire...Any word of why Bryce changed formula? ? Thanks again Celtic! !!

oscar169 · Dec 18, 2013

Gamrstwin36 said:
Yeah my bad lol ok im on it...will update soon...doing a vertical scrog Heavy everything still have original Bottle of fire...Any word of why Bryce changed formula? ? Thanks again Celtic! !!

I can't remeber I though it had to do with the Labeling or some shit, Oh well the Fire/MKP Combo will more then make up for the different in the New vs the Old Formula..:cigar:

Gamrstwin36 · Dec 18, 2013

oscar169 said:
I can't remeber I though it had to do with the Labeling or some shit, Oh well the Fire/MKP Combo will more then make up for the different in the New vs the Old Formula..:cigar:

Sounds Weird. Anyway i love the fire regardless. .by new yr i will have that recipes ingredients thanks to you guys. Trying to convert a soil buddy to heavy 16..

Joseph29 · Dec 20, 2013

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Gamrstwin36 · Dec 20, 2013

Joseph29 said:
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I'ma lookin' and a I'ma likin'

Saw it yesterday. Gnarly bottle but im not even halfway on my original recipe bottle as i sparingly use it.. What's shelf life? ?

oscar169 · Dec 20, 2013

oscar169 · Dec 20, 2013

By Robert Cox, Horticulture Agent, Colorado State University Cooperative Extension

Many consumers assume that products on the store shelf must have been tested to prove their claims. Certainly, fertilizers have to meet nutrient content requirements, and pesticides are rigorously tested for safety before EPA registration.

For some other garden products, however, no such testing is required before sale to the public.

A good example is vitamin B1 (thiamine), often sold to "prevent transplant shock" and "stimulate new root growth" when planting trees, shrubs, roses and other plants. A study in the 1930's provided the basis for such claims. Pea roots cut off from the plant were placed in a culture medium in the laboratory.

The researchers knew that thiamine was normally found in roots, so they put thiamine in the culture medium and found that root growth did occur. Vitamin B1 is manufactured in 0lant leaves and sent to the roots, but if roots are cut off and placed in a petri plate, vitamin B1 stimulates growth of the roots when it saturates the culture medium.

Planting trees in a soil environment, however, is vastly different from a laboratory culture. Most important, gardeners aren't in the habit of cutting off the root system when planting. Several studies using intact mums, apple trees, orange trees, pine, tomato, beans, pepper, corn, pear, watermelon and squash have failed to demonstrate that vitamin B1 treatments provide any type of growth response.

Some "root stimulator" products contain a rooting hormone and fertilizer along with vitamin B1. These materials may increase rooting and growth, not the vitamin B1.

The bottom line: While root stimulator products are not necessary for transplant success, if you do use one, make sure it contains a rooting hormone and fertilizer rather than just vitamin B1. The vitamin B1 is for marketing purposes rather than actual effect.

I have been doing some reading, so far everything is saying that the B1 is not needed, So I'm going to run the 0-52-34 as is NO B1...:cigar:

CelticEBE · Dec 21, 2013

I'm right there with ya Oscar. I've heard of lots of people just hitting things with the MKP and no b1 and having the same results as MOAB. Also heard that the addition of Hammerhead...or in our case Fire....isn't really necessary either.

oscar169 · Dec 21, 2013

CelticEBE said:
I'm right there with ya Oscar. I've heard of lots of people just hitting things with the MKP and no b1 and having the same results as MOAB. Also heard that the addition of Hammerhead...or in our case Fire....isn't really necessary either.

When I did the HH/MOAB Combo Man that shit was good, I'm going with the Fire/MPK for now, may try later just the Heavy 16 Bases with just MPK, Man that would be a money saving deal if you didn't have to by the $$$$ FIRE..:cigar:

CelticEBE · Dec 22, 2013

oscar169 said:
When I did the HH/MOAB Combo Man that shit was good, I'm going with the Fire/MPK for now, may try later just the Heavy 16 Bases with just MPK, Man that would be a money saving deal if you didn't have to by the $$$$ FIRE..:cigar:

Reading through @dankworth's thread about salts and he seems to think that MOAB is a bit more like 90%MKP, 10%MAP, B1 and tricantonal. Just thought I would give you a heads up. I know FIRE has tricantonal in it though.

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