Green Mopho
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I respect your perspective, although it is a capitalist one. I do believe an honest days work deserves an honest days pay and in a capitalist society one should be rightfully compensated for the time and labor put in. However, as you can observe in this recession, this often isn't even true for the most legit of industries. Giving away weed is out of the question, after all that is the final product we are all going for. Any person who bred a cut or seeds has obvious rights to it, this isn't the issue. A farmer may give you some of his own bred seed for free (genetics), but he's not giving you bushels of corn for free (product).
In regards to both Paco's post and Bobby Smith, I agree, other capitalist plant-based industries work under the principle of "intellectual property", i.e. people owning the rights to and licensing plants and their genetics. This already exists with corn and soy and wheat and etc...But is this the model we want for cannabis?
Monsanto owns the patents to 90% of our grains and other food crops, along with a handful of other companies. Government regulation and corporate control dominate agribusiness and cannabis is well on its way down this same road, fueled by the capitalist hoarding (mine, mine) attitude. If we all stay on a pattern of saying "this plant is mine and I own the genetics", it won't be long before a large corporation buys the rights to (or sues you to hell for) all our precious plants and we are just playing their game. If you don't believe this then you need to wake up and smell the glyphosate.
There was a day and age in agriculture where plant genetics could not be owned and were in the public domain for all to select and breed from. This goes along with the attitude that you can't really own a plant and you can't really patent life. I suppose I am wrong about this and I need to wipe the hippie part of my brain for me to thrive in this dawning cut-throat agri-pharma industry.
Excellent quote, +1 Rep...
I agree, MMCs are locking down their genetics. There are a few MMCs that seem to move product no matter what the genetics, as long as its grown well, yet there are others still riding their entire business on one clone. I understand the business aspect of protecting your genetics, but anyone, grower or MMC owner, who claims to have a passion for cannabis and is in this industry as a way of life should have the sense that the world is bigger than their one clone. It is just one clone is a sea of hundreds. This is especially true if prior to 1284 this cut had already been handed out and is already out creeping around the state. Said MMC owner can't get a big head over the cut being out at that point...they should of seen it coming and should of already had the next trick up their sleeve, so to speak. And name calling and accusations are just a childish way to go about it and just a sign that they are desperately holding on to a sinking ship, because they have nothing else.
It seems I've had to reassess my own thinking and go into "hoard" mode...
Good breeding isn't just about IBLs, repeated back crossing, or X amount of generations. It is about growing a large stock and selectively breeding within that stock for the best plants representing desired traits along with health and vigor. It is something that 99.9% of us just do not have the plant count for (or big enough balls for).
To directly address your questions, I would say it takes a minimum of 5 generations of combined selective inbreeding and backcrossing to establish a homogenous line. You will still have some variation in health and vigor in that line, as inbreeding can often reinforce unwanted traits (i.e. prone to disease and/or intersexing). It is the breeders' priority to make sure none of the unwanted traits are in the released line.
Ideally it takes a few years for a true inbred line...of all my reading on breeding, some of the most insightful that I've done has been from DJ Short. That man has put in some real work....Shantibaba ain't too shabby either...
See above...
I think my original post was read out of context by most of those not in the local scene. I am not bitter about anything, I'm actually a pretty friendly and generous guy. I pretty much have all the elite cuts I could ever ask for, and some that I didn't ask for. I have been blessed with some good friends and a good crew of knowledgeable growers alike. I have kept to myself and not dealt with MMCs and such. I suppose I had some cuts that I probably shouldn't of, but they were handed to me under good terms. I asked for clearance from the originators each step of the way, and have yet to give said cuts out to a single soul. Yet my name was still spoken out of peoples' mouthes, and certain threats and vengeful exchanges occurred when I never had dealings with any of those people.
I have let certain genetics of my own out on the scene, and I don't care who has them. I held no restrictions on those cuts. I have seen this cut appear in many places without my involvement, and I'm happy to see it spread. I am not asking for anything in return, neither credit nor compensation. I'm not bitter when I see an MMC selling a batch of it. My thinking was based on Mr. Dank's Golden Goat...he let that cut fly, and I believe you gotta let a good one out once in a while. I don't see Mr. Dank chasing down every MMC that had dried flowers of his cuts, or even clones for that matter. Granted, there are a lot of fakes going around. Yet, had he not let a cut like that fly, would his gear have the name-recognition and demand that it does now? Would batches of Golden Goat sell out in 4 hours at One Brown Mouse? I don't think so...Of course this is my own opinion and each person with their own cut is entitled to theirs...
Goddamn hippies!
...speaking of which, how is that ECSD doing? Aren't ya glad that cut wasn't being hoarded?
Agreed, part of the point I'm trying to make. If you feel you are really dedicated to this plant and this industry, you should be cracking beans on the regular, you should be networking to be taking in and receiving cuts, you shouldn't base everything on your one comic book hero cut that isn't even that special....Just cuz your strain is called Clark Kent, that doesn't make you Superman.
And like I said, the true test will be the test of time. Will that cut still be passed around in 10 years, or is it something that can easily be replaced.
100%. Like I said, some may have read my original post out of context as bitching about not getting a certain hoarded cut. I am very easy to respect peoples "bread and butter", especially when it is good people, caregivers and MMC growers alike. I have always honored restrictions on cuts when passed to me and have no qualms about doing so, that is simple respect. Some people actually did put some hard work in on finding their special cuts, and if you are so lucky to be blessed with such a thing, you better damn respect it!
