I'm really not very good at this.

[2Water]

I'm just on the outside looking in, but just from a common sense, 2+2=4, perhaps you are both in a sense correct.

Premise:
Nute company's push over feeding to promote sales. Over use of nutrients require extensive flushing to clear "salt" build-ups. Over salinity of soil can negatively affect nutrient uptake due to change in EC.

Solution:
Use less nutes or flush more often....

I don't think it has to be one is right or one is wrong, just different

 

[Pilted]

I'm just on the outside looking in, but just from a common sense, 2+2=4, perhaps you are both in a sense correct.

Premise:
Nute company's push over feeding to promote sales. Over use of nutrients require extensive flushing to clear "salt" build-ups. Over salinity of soil can negatively affect nutrient uptake due to change in EC.

Solution:
Use less nutes or flush more often....

I don't think it has to be one is right or one is wrong, just different

I agree.

 

[LoveGrowingIt]

I just finished reading the thread and am recovering from a viral infection of my own: flu. I have a few observations (as much as my brain is still working, that is). I also grow with organic nutrients, so I'm not as familiar with the synthetic type.

1. Chemically speaking, a "salt" results from the combination of an acid and a base.
2. Dr. Bruce Bugbee says that flushing is only necessary to remove excess nutrients.
3. Chlorotic striping of the leaves is most often caused by Mg deficiency, but that isn't the only possible cause. Basically, the plant can't make enough chlorophyl for photosynthesis to occur. There are 137 atoms in a molecule of chlorophyll: 55 carbon atoms + 72 hydrogen atoms + 1 magnesium atom + 4 nitrogen atoms + 5 oxygen atoms. Mg is the central atom.

Like mother nature, I have been reusing soil for quite a while. My main challenge has been replenishing nutrients in the best proportions for a healthy plant. That doesn't only refer to N-P-K nutrients. It can also be micronutrients, including but not limited to, Mg. So, I amend with Mg, Ca, potassium silicate and Azomite, which has numerous micronutrients.

So far, I have never flushed soil and believe Dr Bugbee. If flushing helped, then it seems likely to me that there may have been an imbalance of nutrients in the soil, such as how an excess of some nutrients can inhibit other nutrients.

 

[2Water]

I just finished reading the thread and am recovering from a viral infection of my own: flu. I have a few observations (as much as my brain is still working, that is). I also grow with organic nutrients, so I'm not as familiar with the synthetic type.

1. Chemically speaking, a "salt" results from the combination of an acid and a base.
2. Dr. Bruce Bugbee says that flushing is only necessary to remove excess nutrients.
3. Chlorotic striping of the leaves is most often caused by Mg deficiency, but that isn't the only possible cause. Basically, the plant can't make enough chlorophyl for photosynthesis to occur. There are 137 atoms in a molecule of chlorophyll: 55 carbon atoms + 72 hydrogen atoms + 1 magnesium atom + 4 nitrogen atoms + 5 oxygen atoms. Mg is the central atom.

Like mother nature, I have been reusing soil for quite a while. My main challenge has been replenishing nutrients in the best proportions for a healthy plant. That doesn't only refer to N-P-K nutrients. It can also be micronutrients, including but not limited to, Mg. So, I amend with Mg, Ca, potassium silicate and Azomite, which has numerous micronutrients.

So far, I have never flushed soil and believe Dr Bugbee. If flushing helped, then it seems likely to me that there may have been an imbalance of nutrients in the soil, such as how an excess of some nutrients can inhibit other nutrients.

Same thinking here, I literally brake up the old roots to use as added vegetative material in my soil. Kind of a nod to no til guys

 

[Beachbumm]

It's promix pH is locked in on soil at 6.4, limestone and peet moss soil pH doesn't change ppm 1900. But it's cool I'm done with this topic. Have a good day everyone. Never came in asking for help just showing the world how an idiot grows.

I grew in pro mix for years, but if that's what you believe then you do you, best of luck.

Maybe if you'd listen to people who had more experience than you you wouldn't grow like an idiot.

 

[Sunasun]

What base water are you using? The water here is shitty, so I have to use distilled or ro.
I've been reusing pro mix for 4 years without any issues. I think you should look into your water source.

 

[Pilted]

I grew in pro mix for years, but if that's what you believe then you do you, best of luck.

Maybe if you'd listen to people who had more experience than you you wouldn't grow like an idiot.

Hmm all the admin on here agree that the pH of promix is locked in and no reason to PH water going into promix. So if you saying that's wrong then what you are saying is they are teaching wrong info on this site.

But that part is correct took me many grows of testing the pH of the soil to realize that there is no need to PH promix even tho the admin on here were telling me that. And I tested it when I had this issue and pH still the same as always. So idk where you get your info from but it seems wrong.

 

[Pilted]

What base water are you using? The water here is shitty, so I have to use distilled or ro.
I've been reusing pro mix for 4 years without any issues. I think you should look into your water source.

Tap water that they add a lot of chemicals in to help keep lead from breaking down.

 

[neewwwbie]

mine is 4 months old not autoflower she's huge but I don't see any bud sites that's so fucking weird she's healthy and a 36" but no bud sites

 

[Pilted]

I grew in pro mix for years, but if that's what you believe then you do you, best of luck.

Maybe if you'd listen to people who had more experience than you you wouldn't grow like an idiot.

No ph'ing water grown in promix.

Pretty idiotic.

 

[Captspaulding]

s&*% Captain
Yours truly just trotteled to 900
if you will have a moment would you be so nice and go take a peek
I don't want to tailspin

Say I just clicked in on this today and I’m wondering did I ever come and check out your page because if I didn’t I’m really sorry about that and because I just seen this now just to know in the future I have so many notifications on here it’s out of control sometimes and the best course of action is to just go ahead and send me a private message and then to remind me that way because then I’ve got something to refer to hope you’re doing well. I hope your tail didn’t happen. Legit I’m sorry about missing it if I did

 

[Captspaulding]

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No ph'ing water grown in promix.

Pretty idiotic.

Not idiotic at all man But ok. So what are the average ph swings you deal with from peat?
I grow in a medium. That is 90% peat the rest is perlite and pine.
I haven’t phd in years.
Curious.
On average?

 

[Captspaulding]

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Anyone else having there plant look like this, I would suggest you take the pot to the bath tube, and rinse your soil massively, this seems to be.a salt build up in your soil. At least that was my conclusion.

Just wanted to put this out here as I have been told on this site, I am over watering, my light is too close, it's a magnesium deficiency, I need to have a 3 day water cycle, I'm under feeding, the list is long, has taken me 3 years of listening to people on here and trying there suggestions to figure this out. With no luck it was only after I stopped listening to them, that I came to this conclusion.


People are trying to help and they did not mean to give bad information. It's very difficult to be able to tell what a problem is and people are trying so that's respectable. Sadly this site is really anti flush mainly from @Captspaulding but keeping soil clean is a big part of growing in pots.

Hopefully this can help someone else out there.

My guy, no you’re the only person with that problem.

So I’m on my fourth use of soil in my grow.
I’ve never in my life had that problem
And an army that f folks here don’t deal with it either.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it’s genetic? Maybe you might’ve missed something I have 30 people that I can hit up on here right now that will be contrary to what you’re trying to say because I fix their issues. What is your deal calling me out like that?
So you’re obviously messing something up and don’t know what you’re doing somewhere

 

[Pilted]

Not idiotic at all man But ok. So what are the average ph swings you deal with from peat?
I grow in a medium. That is 90% peat the rest is perlite and pine.
I haven’t phd in years.
Curious.
On average?

It's been a while since I ph'ed but I did on multiple grows. Always between 5.9-6.4, but those were different grows different bags of promix. Say one bag was 6.4 during the grow right after watering it could fluctuate 0.1 but never seen a bigger swing then that.

 

[Captspaulding]

It's been a while since I ph'ed but I did on multiple grows. Always between 5.9-6.4, but those were different grows different bags of promix. Say one bag was 6.4 during the grow right after watering it could fluctuate 0.1 but never seen a bigger swing then that.

Than it’s not ph

 

[Pilted]

My guy, no you’re the only person with that problem.

So I’m on my fourth use of soil in my grow.
I’ve never in my life had that problem
And an army that f folks here don’t deal with it either.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it’s genetic? Maybe you might’ve missed something I have 30 people that I can hit up on here right now that will be contrary to what you’re trying to say because I fix their issues. What is your deal calling me out like that?
So you’re obviously messing something up and don’t know what you’re doing somewhere

I am messing something up, again I am not asking for help, I am giving my results, I am over feeding and having salt issues in the soil. That is my problem.

 

[Captspaulding]

I am messing something up, again I am not asking for help, I am giving my results, I am over feeding and having salt issues in the soil. That is my problem.

Then don’t share you fries with the plant anymore.
Like I said man what you’ve got going on there isn’t common. It doesn’t happen all the time and like I said I’m on my fourth use of the same soil. All I do is clean the roots out if that was the case my freaking whole crop would be sick right now salt buildup and I’m only in gallon pots for the whole run.

 

[Captspaulding]

I am messing something up, again I am not asking for help, I am giving my results, I am over feeding and having salt issues in the soil. That is my problem.

Well that’s great, don’t call people idiots man.
For real.

 

[Pilted]

Then don’t share you fries with the plant anymore.
Like I said man what you’ve got going on there isn’t common. It doesn’t happen all the time and like I said I’m on my fourth use of the same soil. All I do is clean the roots out if that was the case my freaking whole crop would be sick right now salt buildup and I’m only in gallon pots for the whole run.

And you water water water feed, and I feed feed feed water. And it is a common problem not only here but on many forums this is just a really bad case of the problem. The other ones I have seen are more mild. Like some of the other grows you have given me suggestion on and I followed.

 

[Captspaulding]

It's been a while since I ph'ed but I did on multiple grows. Always between 5.9-6.4, but those were different grows different bags of promix. Say one bag was 6.4 during the grow right after watering it could fluctuate 0.1 but never seen a bigger swing then that.

Here.