Irietimes Bare Bones Grows

Irietime · Apr 8, 2017

One drop said:
cotton scale they suck the sap

Is that what it was!?!? There was only the one, it ate some holes in a few leaves, but since I found it there's been no more issue. Had me worried for a minute though for sure

Irietime · Apr 8, 2017

ahemait said:
I'm three weeks behind!
Looking lovely. I'm jelly

Did you just flip to 12/12? Don't be jealous your plants look awesome

ahemait · Apr 8, 2017

Yep. 6 or 8 of them. Single stems mostly. I'm going to veg the multi topped ones a bit longer and grab some clones from them.

justiceman · Apr 8, 2017

Irietime said:
Thanks @justiceman ill keep an eye on them for sure, that's good info about the nitrogen/cal. Also on that particular chem I used some fairly coarse sand as a top dressing to see if it would cut down on the nats( which it has) but I'm wondering if it is also cutting down on the oxygen flow to the roots? The water takes a little longer to soak in. Could this cause the clawing symptoms?

No prob! hmmmm that's hard to say. Usually sand doesn't contribute to compaction. It's more likely the amount of rootmass and the build up of organic solids from the nutrients. Also pouring water on the medium heavy aids compaction as well. All of those things do end up cutting oxygen flow in the medium down a bit, but shouldn't be enough to worry about

The compaction of organic solids high in N could be a contributing factor. That's what I'm thinking in terms of a soil standpoint at least. If that's the case the only thing you can do is ride it out and keep doing what you're doing since you already cut out your veg nutrients.

From a hydro point of view IF your calmag has N then the answer could easily just be you are giving the chems too much of it.

Irietime · Apr 8, 2017

justiceman said:
No prob! hmmmm that's hard to say. Usually sand doesn't contribute to compaction. It's more likely the amount of rootmass and the build up of organic solids from the nutrients. Also pouring water on the medium heavy aids compaction as well. All of those things do end up cutting oxygen flow in the medium down a bit, but shouldn't be enough to worry about

The compaction of organic solids high in N could be a contributing factor. That's what I'm thinking in terms of a soil standpoint at least. If that's the case the only thing you can do is ride it out and keep doing what you're doing since you already cut out your veg nutrients.

From a hydro point of view IF your calmag has N then the answer could easily just be you are giving the chems too much of it.

I think you might had hit it on the head. My calmag is 2-0-0. After the feeding yesterday of calmag and bioroot, that particular chem is cupping hard, I'm thinking she's a sensitive girl. I've been feeding pretty light with it I thought. Directions say 2oz per gal for soil, which sounded heavy to me. I've been feeding from the beginning with 1oz per 2 gallons of water. Guess I'll mix separate nutes for this girl. Do you think a flush with ph'ed water would be good for her?

justiceman · Apr 9, 2017

What brand calmag are you using? Botanicare? 1oz per 2 gal(15ml per gallon) seems extremely high to me. I'd probably be shooting for somewhere in the 1/2- 1tsp per gallon(2-5ml) range if its the botanicare calmag.

Yup a flush or a few normal feedings with plain water should help run off the excess calmag.

I'm not entirely certain as I don't know what's in your soil mix but if you are using tap water and growing in soil with mostly organic nutrients you probably don't even need to be adding calmag regularly. Of course if you are using RO water then I see why you are using it.

Irietime · Apr 10, 2017

I've been using this cal mag below. The reason I use it so often is, because of my lights. I read on a couple forums and had other growers mention it to me that these blurple leds cause the plants to become calcium deficient quickly. I had the major yellowing of my leaves at the beginning of my last grow and someone informed me about these lights. This leaf is one of the other chems, they seem to be handling the current nutes, super pretty. I do feel like I'm using to much cal mag as well, am I reading the instructions incorrectly? I'm gonna start backing off on it, till I find that spot where I'm using as little as possible, but have the nice green leaves. :)

justiceman said:
What brand calmag are you using? Botanicare? 1oz per 2 gal(15ml per gallon) seems extremely high to me. I'd probably be shooting for somewhere in the 1/2- 1tsp per gallon(2-5ml) range if its the botanicare calmag.

Yup a flush or a few normal feedings with plain water should help run off the excess calmag.

I'm not entirely certain as I don't know what's in your soil mix but if you are using tap water and growing in soil with mostly organic nutrients you probably don't even need to be adding calmag regularly. Of course if you are using RO water then I see why you are using it.

justiceman · Apr 10, 2017

That leaf looks to be in premium health so I agree the others are definitely handling it just fine. Maybe that particular plant just happens to be weaker for some reason or is located in an area that just happens to not be getting quite as much light intensity as the others.

Interesting. That is not a calmag supplement. I don't see Calcium or Magnesium listed in the guaranteed analysis. However it's a decent micro and Nitrogen source for sure. Just as I thought your soil and water have plenty of calcium and magnesium within already as you have not even been using a calmag supplement this whole time. If everything has been the same since the last grow including all nutrients then now you can pin down the fact that you probably got yellow leaves last time due to lack of N which this time you were able to correct with the product above.

That being said If you do see the others start cupping leaves then you know it's the chelated iron and nitrogen causing it.

Irietime · Apr 10, 2017

Right on, thanks for bringing me some clarity:) learning something everyday. Can't believe I was thinking I was using a cal mg product this whole time:bored:lol.

justiceman · Apr 10, 2017

No problem at all hahaha. At least it ended up working ok and didn't really hurt anything. I would probably stop using it now that you are in flower but it certainly seems to work well in veg. Up to you just my 2 cents.

Everything in your room sure looks pretty! It's gonna be a good run.

Farmer P · Apr 10, 2017

Man, they're blowing through that net. Looking good! Maybe you need to make another set of nets to set on top of those.

Irietime · Apr 10, 2017

justiceman said:
No problem at all hahaha. At least it ended up working ok and didn't really hurt anything. I would probably stop using it now that you are in flower but it certainly seems to work well in veg. Up to you just my 2 cents.

Everything in your room sure looks pretty! It's gonna be a good run.

Good call, thanks man. I'm gonna greatly reduce the amount I'm using. I'm a little afraid to cut it out all the way, as I'm trying to keep these girls nice and green healthy all the way through. Last run I cut it out and just used the Buddha bloom and hp bloom boost alternating with ph'ed waterings and the plants yellowed out hard.

What are your feelings on using the bioroot all the way through, minus the last few weeks or so?

justiceman · Apr 10, 2017

Understandable if you just reduce it you'll reduce the amount of N so that should be good enough to maintain their green but not over do it.

I will say that in the last week or so you are looking to have their color fade out. It's a sign that they have been using up the rest of their reserves and don't have any excess nutrient left over so the smoke ends up being smoother. It's a balancing act. Have them fade out too soon and you lose yield. Have them fade out too late and the smoke won't be as smooth as it could have been. So maybe use it sparingly now and then when you want them to start fading out you can drop it entirely.

Bioroot should be fine until the last couple weeks.

Irietime · Apr 10, 2017

Farmer P said:
Man, they're blowing through that net. Looking good! Maybe you need to make another set of nets to set on top of those.

I know!! I thought I timed it right flipping when they were a couple inches under the net, but they are stretching like crazy. Especially the chems they like some room. I think this run I'm gonna let them ride, next run I'll re-access the situation

justiceman · Apr 10, 2017

Lol every time I try to flip so they fill the net they instead end up growing past it. It's so hilarious. Hard to get the timing right if you run a different strain every time though hahaha.

Irietime · Apr 14, 2017

Day 28 flower: moving along over here. Stretching is slowing down thank goodness. I had to put my fan up on a gallon paint can, which is now engulfed in Chen, it's been wild:opps: flowers are looking nice and starting to frost up . The Chem is def smelling chemy when you rub a leaf and the sour is smelling really tart dankness. The blueberry is a little-behind on the triche production, but is looking good. Watered two days ago with Buddha bloom and hp bloom booster and bioroot, no chelated iron @justiceman. So far so good, and the clawing on the Chen has gone away:) you'll notice a little nute burn on some tips, probably when I was giving to much nitrogen. Things are going well. Peace

justiceman · Apr 15, 2017

Right on man!! Glad to hear the clawing has subsided. Things sure are stacking nicely in there. I'm always put at ease once the stretch stops hahaha.

Farmer P · Apr 16, 2017

Looks Great! You're pushing me toward nets. Have you decided if you like the nets better than the mobility? It looks like your yield is going to be better this time.

justiceman · Apr 16, 2017

Farmer P said:
Looks Great! You're pushing me toward nets. Have you decided if you like the nets better than the mobility? It looks like your yield is going to be better this time.

I'm also interested to hear an opinion as well. I always seem to go back and forth. I like the structure and stability a net provides but lack of mobility definitely makes things interesting.

jipp · Apr 16, 2017

so what is the general consensus on how to use cal;-mag?
Epson salt. iv only;y spray it on hungry plants so far.

how should i use it with healthy plants.

chris.

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