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I suppose it depends on your grow medium, but I just did a grow with fabric pots and used pot risers from these guys along saucers from the same place.


I had a living soil grow in a bunch of 3 gal pots and tried to water with little to no run-off. The soil could get pretty hydrophobic when dry, and if I watered too quickly it would eventually run down the sides like you described. I found it helpful to do a careful 1/3 liter pre-watering for each pot covering the top and edges, and then the rest of watering went quickly with just a little bit of run-off.
Ya I actually have these exact risers. I have a drip system that I run manually so I'll put 3gallons in a 5gal bucket put all nutrients in then plug it in. So 3gallons over 8 plants my drippers are rings and I swear with in 5sec 3/4 of the pots are leaking out the sides.
 
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When I tried them I used 15 gal... maybe overkill lol... but I if I do containers outside, I usually use the 17 gal tubs, so that's why I went so big... I think I'm just an in ground gal, I need the ladies to be self sufficient for a few days at a time because I camp and hike and have a family, so they just don't work for me... obviously every scenario is different.
Agreed, every grow is different, and certainly bags are not for everyone. There's upsides and downsides to most anything, and it often boils down to convenience or simply preference.

I agree putting them in the ground is highly beneficial. Especially if you live in an overly hot zone. Regardless, it boils down to having good root penetration and maintaining proper substrate drainage. I think when you plant things in a higher elevation, especially in places with troublesome compacted clays, difficult soils, planting them in elevated area's gives them a real advantage, overall.

I also think when planting in soil, the specific considerations surrounding that really matter, but if it's done with a bit of forethought, the payout can be huge.
 
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They get dirty, have no advantages and are harder to clean. Plastic pot comes clean in seconds. Is dry in minutes. A fabric pot is a hassle. And a fabric pot can get moldy. It's the same reason a plate is a hard smooth object. And not a piece of cloth. Fabric is only good if you plan on throwing them out when you're done and it saves a few bucks. Even then.
Everyone keeps saying to water slowly but like I said in OG post there great if you have 2-3plants but I can't water a total of 38 plants slowly its jus not realistic. So I need real answers I obviously know if I water slow that will help. Lol
Surfactants is a good one besides yucca is there any other products?
 
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Everyone keeps saying to water slowly but like I said in OG post there great if you have 2-3plants but I can't water a total of 38 plants slowly its jus not realistic. So I need real answers I obviously know if I water slow that will help. Lol
Surfactants is a good one besides yucca is there any other products?
Agar Agar. It's an agricultural wetting agent. Among other uses. Or plain soap.
 
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Everyone keeps saying to water slowly but like I said in OG post there great if you have 2-3plants but I can't water a total of 38 plants slowly its jus not realistic. So I need real answers I obviously know if I water slow that will help. Lol
Surfactants is a good one besides yucca is there any other products?
You should just build a hydro system.
 
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Yeah. If you have the time and space where you can do hydro. It's pretty easy. Loud maybe. Buy easy. Works great.
 
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I’ve done #1,2,3 nursery pots and found the most efficient in my grows to be #1’d which save space and soil but take more work (daily) with 3’s being most efficient meaning I tend to plants every 3-4 days in prime flower and produce 2/3 dried zips off each plant with as many as 4/5 plants in a 2x4 tent.
Yea, no doubt more work Mosh. One thing that can be done to extend, or widen some of the drying time is to manipulate the solutions themselves. For me, I think using humics/fluvics, and also the yukka extract really helps on the surfactant end. (spreading) Which accelerates the process. Sugars however (only trace amounts), seem to hold the moisture better, IMO.

Especially if you work with high ppm salts, cause buildup becomes a major issue, so adding/replacing that humic/fluvic content becomes important; and having a "foamy" solution, helps matters IMO. Enzymes, precursors, secondary biometabolites, all good stuff that helps optimize your fluid efficiency. Surfactants reduce surface tension, thereby decreasing liquid–solid contact angle; and increases the nucleation rate of vapor bubbles; it inhibits coalescence of bubbles; it can promote foaming.

Back to sugars. They seem to enhance efficient "absorbing" character, while also maintaining the liquids mobility, especially as the water table diminishes over time. Allowing our solutions to "spread out" or "creep" more efficiently along a solid surface.

Evaporation; air movement, Temps, Relative Humidity all contributing factors. Fluid dynamics is a huge subject in it's own right, and I think often overlooked.
Cloth pots either magnify, or perhaps compound issues already present in the water quality itself.
 
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Pumps and water bubbling. The pumps drone.
Oh I get it. I'm stuck on my old flood table. Thinking about building another. I don't trust or know anything about dwc. We get lots of power outs here too. I can always hand water in that case. Oh and no noise.
 
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Oh I get it. I'm stuck on my old flood table. Thinking about building another. I don't trust or know anything about dwc. We get lots of power outs here too. I can always hand water in that case. Oh and no noise.
It's super simple. All the hardworking is turning some valves and running some water. You do need to monitor it with peroxide or bacteria. That's about it. Power outages... thats an issue. If its out more than a day. It's a big issue.
 
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It's super simple. All the hardworking is turning some valves and running some water. You do need to monitor it with peroxide or bacteria. That's about it. Power outages... thats an issue. If its out more than a day. It's a big issue.
I'm too old to learn all this high tech shit. I can barely still remember what I know that works lol. Draining tanks and washing rocks vs mixing nutes almost every day and hand watering.
 
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I'm too old to learn all this high tech shit. I can barely still remember what I know that works lol. Draining tanks and washing rocks vs mixing nutes almost every day and hand watering.
Ok. My simple recipe is: 4 gallons of water. One 50 gram scoop of maxigrow or bloom. 60 ml peroxide. Changes once every week. Top up with water and peroxide as needed midweek. Aerate. I didn't even PH. Great finsh. And yield. Apparently you can go straight water and peroxide for the last 2 weeks. If you want to save on nutrients. Run 2 airstones per 5 gallon bucket.
 
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Ok. My simple recipe is: 4 gallons of water. One 50 gram scoop of maxigrow or bloom. 60 ml peroxide. Changes once every week. Top up with water and peroxide as needed midweek. Aerate. I didn't even PH. Great finsh. And yield. Apparently you can go straight water and peroxide for the last 2 weeks. If you want to save on nutrients. Run 2 airstones per 5 gallon bucket.
Flood is fool proof. Only thing is the pipes got clogged with roots. Next time? I have better designs that might make changing and cleaning hydrotron easier.
 
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But they don't. Which is why my yield with nursery parts is in no way diminished. And square pots can be placed closer than rounds ones. If fabric pots yielded more they would have. It's also the reason 100% of people I know with large grows use plastic. Because labor hours. Cleaning plastic pots is literally as easy as spraying them with water for a few moments. Done. Ready to use. They stack neatly. If you're doing hundreds or thousands you're using plastic pots. If fabric pots gave me an advantage I would use them.
Wait... there is probably a reason you do t see a difference and I don't doubt you one bit but let's not just assume that because you didn't that the pots don't make any difference.

Again I'm not at all doubting your experience. Rather suggesting there may be another reason involved.
 
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Wait... there is probably a reason you do t see a difference and I don't doubt you one bit but let's not just assume that because you didn't that the pots don't make any difference.

Again I'm not at all doubting your experience. Rather suggesting there may be another reason involved.
I mean its already an efficient setup. It will drop whatever the plants can yield. Side by side. No difference. Maybe outside. But so far I've seen no evidence that they have any advantages.
 
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Everyone keeps saying to water slowly but like I said in OG post there great if you have 2-3plants but I can't water a total of 38 plants slowly its jus not realistic. So I need real answers I obviously know if I water slow that will help. Lol
Surfactants is a good one besides yucca is there any other products?
Absolutely can... drippers and auto feed. No such thing as I can't and I'm not saying that to be combative but matter of fact. You could but choose not to and I understand your reasons but at the same time you Absolutely can
 
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I mean its already an efficient setup. It will drop whatever the plants can yield. Side by side. No difference. Maybe outside. But so far I've seen no evidence that they have any advantages.
Ok so let go over the advantages you may or may not see and why.

What type of lighting, pot size, media do you typically use?
 

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