Milson
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I think that guy does a lot of great work for the cannabis community and doesn't have a lot to say about language that I find particularly intelligent.Speaking of which, where do you stand on the use of the world landrace? Should we switch to "location specific heirlooms?"
Landrace: A Dirty Word - The Real Seed Company
Once upon a time, ‘landrace’ was an obscure technical term employed only by botanists and other specialists who understood what it means. Now, however, landrace is on its way to global popular use in international Cannabis commerce and discourse. Or...Read moretherealseedcompany.com
Yeah, I think you're looking at a Malawi or other niche African strain for that, Maybe RSC's Sudan?
@sportyridr It's all very rudimentary right now. A milk cap full of 4-4-4, a milk cap full of guano, 325 mg of aspirin, a couple grams of sulfur, a milk cap full of fishbone meal, some kelp extract, and some alfalfa pellets go into a milk jug and sit for a couple days. Then I'll water the ladies that need something that strong (stretch to late flower), then dilute it to water the rest of the plants. Every third feeding. The idea came to me when thinking about having water sitting around to dechlorinate- if it's going to be sitting around anyway, might as well put some good stuff in there, right??
I think that guy does a lot of great work for the cannabis community and doesn't have a lot to say about language that I find particularly intelligent.
But sure, I will happily change the word I use if people who have reason to be upset about it are upset about it or just to be clearer in trying to communicate.
I also find his use of the picture of a young Uyghur woman offensive for this topic, frankly. The reasons for that go way beyond what I am comfortable talking about on the internet.
If it is a dirty enough word that he wants to link the seriousness of the problem to the genocide of a people, maybe he can sacrifice that precious landrace.blog URL or stop listing some of his strains as "landrace" on his own site.
But no, he doesn't do that. So I just find his argument hollow and frankly again think combining that with a photo of a woman from a population being brutalized TODAY is offensive.
Thank you man. Like I said earlier I think I had the right idea, ingredients not so much. I've abandoned it for the moment but plan on reviving it once the warmer months get here again. Working on making some LABS and they will be ready to go soon to try but finding Molasses right now is no joke...
Lookin good up there! Man U gotta lotta shit goin on ! Nice work
Agree that heirloom would be appropriate.I like the idea of domesticated plants just all being referred to as heirlooms (and preferably named as such, but that's a pipe dream).
Deep Chunk? Heirloom. My Kandahar Black? Heirloom. The lines going into my Afghani project? Heirloom. USC's Uzbekistan? Heirloom. Etc, etc.
The only other terminology that I think is needed is whether or not it's a multipurpose plant instead of being bred for ganja/hash.
Agree that heirloom would be appropriate.
Heirloom vs wild vs semi wild seems fine. And typical uses (ganja, hash, chara, hemp, multiple, etc)
But again "landrace" is a keyword that makes money. Ironically, as soon as you take the seeds out of the locality and do anything with them, they are no longer really landrace....right? Whole freaking point is they are geographically adapted.....which is not relevant to almost anyone buying them.
I grew out USC's Triple Pakistan early on and wasn't super impressed with the potency or high, but that's really the extent of my Pakistani experience. It stacked really well, and then was the weakest bud I've ever smoked. Maybe it was the pheno, but I'm not super eager to re-run it.
I think you're right with the Afghan Mix. What I need after this year will be dictated by what grows well this year. Mainly I'm hoping to find some unique terps and a couchlocking smoke, but we'll see what happens.
@Frankster that shit was like a surgical strike. Literally within a couple seconds of opening the door, he'd chomped the top of the plant off and ate it.He also ate the tips off of the leaves of another seedling another time. I just need to get some catnip going indoors again so that he can have something to destroy.
@sportyridr It's all very rudimentary right now. A milk cap full of 4-4-4, a milk cap full of guano, 325 mg of aspirin, a couple grams of sulfur, a milk cap full of fishbone meal, some kelp extract, and some alfalfa pellets go into a milk jug and sit for a couple days. Then I'll water the ladies that need something that strong (stretch to late flower), then dilute it to water the rest of the plants. Every third feeding. The idea came to me when thinking about having water sitting around to dechlorinate- if it's going to be sitting around anyway, might as well put some good stuff in there, right??
Vortex , that's a subcool strain right ?What's the best way to apply some sulfur, I got this awhile back and I haven't tried it yet, can I sprinkle it on, or should I make it into a mix as you suggest, does it appear to dissolve well? pH issues? What's good for a counterbalance, or does it promote nitrification?
Good God I'm stoned. I found some God's Gift, (I want to try before I buy) but unfortunately, it' was in pre-rolls, so I got one (actually 2 in there) Surprisingly, It looks, taste, smells much like my frankenstein photoperiods, actually. Then I got some of the Obama OG Kush, because they said they seen a few stray seeds in them (One can hope), and I tried some of this Vortex, a sativa that's had my head spinning all afternoon testing in at 30.9% THC, it say's. Very smooth and subtle, but a heavy hitter. I'm kinda amazed, actually how smooth (and potent) it is, crazy smooth.
Here is what happened when I asked him about it.Agree that heirloom would be appropriate.
Heirloom vs wild vs semi wild seems fine. And typical uses (ganja, hash, chara, hemp, multiple, etc)
But again "landrace" is a keyword that makes money. Ironically, as soon as you take the seeds out of the locality and do anything with them, they are no longer really landrace....right? Whole freaking point is they are geographically adapted.....which is not relevant to almost anyone buying them.
Yeah so that thread continued and honestly I need to not argue with people on the internet lol. Not sure why I did that other than frustration (which isn't a good enough reason).Yeah, it's like he doesn't realize that a lot of people look to him as an authority on the subject.
"Starting a conversation" is helpful, ish. But at the very least he could keep the URL and change the terminology on the site, just like he has with indica and sativa classifications in the past.
To be fair on the Uyghur subject, he's also VERY outspoken on insta about their ongoing genocide at the hands of the CCP. It's very likely that I'm right there with you when it comes to the actions of the Chinese government.
But yeah, I think he should lead by example. It's one thing to say that a word like landrace has problematic connotations (which it does), but then he should start using different terminology. I like the idea of domesticated plants just all being referred to as heirlooms (and preferably named as such, but that's a pipe dream).
Deep Chunk? Heirloom. My Kandahar Black? Heirloom. The lines going into my Afghani project? Heirloom. USC's Uzbekistan? Heirloom. Etc, etc.
The only other terminology that I think is needed is whether or not it's a multipurpose plant instead of being bred for ganja/hash.
I agree 100% with the heirloom argument. Heirloom has been the confirmation term for at least a semi-centennial. Generations on generations have literally recognized that as a "domesticated" variety that's been worked in a certain region, and as such, carries very specific traits for that region.
However, and this is likely due to the generation that really brought cannabis into the mainstream North American culture and their beliefs, landrace carries the very same confirmation. Changing linguistics takes time. Hell, look at Chekoslovakia and Slovania. They speak the same damn language, but because of dialects and delivery, they'll punch you in the mouth for addressing them incorrectly.
All that being said, I'm on board with promoting that transition. Cannabis needs to quit being treated as some special wallflower and treated just like any other agricultural crop, because it's no fuckin different. Just because it gets you high doesn't make it special. There's plenty of other herbs that do -- datura, nightshade, sage (salvia divinorum), capii, tobacco, mimosa hostilis, morning glory, hawaiian baby woodrose.. need I go on?
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In rebuttal, look at roses, tomatoes, or even Papaver Somniferum. All of which have thousands, if not tens of thousands, of hybrids just like cannabis, and only some fall under the labeling of heirloom. Heirloom specifically being a line that's been bred in isolation for generations to retain very particular traits. I cannot say that the majority falls into that group, just like non-heirloom tomato seeds.I have to agree up to a point, but there's like over 10,000 known different strains and variations, so it is kinda a wall flower in many respects, and I would argue that cannabis has much more cultural and spiritual significance than wheat, or beans, or kale... It's not the "same", but there are certainly similarities.
For many people: Cannabis is medicine, and that alone sets it apart from many other crops. It holds more cultural significance, so depending on who you ask, you might get a much different answer.
I guess the more I have thought about this the more I have felt the really unethical thing happening with language is the erasure of the selection practiced by these farmers and lumping it in as incidental (the important part is the land it's from according to the name).Personally, I like the term "native" or perhaps "natives", or "native cultivars", I think it's far more accurate and to the point of what were trying to describe. Or possibly even "indigenous" or "indigenous cultivar"
Because it's a well respected word and gives a nod to the people and cultures that have worshiped our land and all life within it, for millennia. It's also far more descriptive to the lay person.
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