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Leaf tips clawing, yellowing tips and edges

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Leaf tips clawing, yellowing tips and edges

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I had a potassium deficiency from mid-flower on in my RDWC system, Aqua Man recommended potassium bicarbonate supplementation and it worked well. In RDWC suggested starting dosage was 0.5 gm/gallon. You may want to halve that to start as you can always add more but getting rid of excess is more complicated.
 
Potassium silicate is also a great choice because it adds silica. It is very alkali though so just be careful as it will raise your pH.
 
I have gh up and down out there although I don't use it anymore, but to bring 1 gallon of my 8.9 tap water down to 6.5, don't recall exactly but it was somewhere around 10 drops maybe less..

so if you're using over a hundred drops to adjust just one gallon you've got something very wrong my friend ??

Edit: I use citric acid and I bring my 8.9 down to 6.4 with just 5 drops per gallon, so I believe that's what's causing the potassium locked-out!

Let's see if we can get you to talk to @Aqua Man he's the one to talk to about all things aqua, and I think he'd be interested to see this one because I've never heard of anything like this not even close
Funny, when I used my well water I had to use a ton of PH down just like you. So I started filtering using RO and now it only takes a few drops to bring down the ph down. I think it's bc there was too much sediment in the water.
 
its definitely not my meter, ive been calibrating it daily ever sense this has been happening, and whenever i use Ph down in my nutrient solution i only have to use like 10 drops to bring a gallon of nut solution down from 6.3 ish to 5.5. But then with my plain tap water i have to use a ton of ph down just to bring it down by one point. So is there any way like my tap water could be reacting with my Ph down or something? Because this is only happening with my tap water, not my nutrient solution or anything else
Very late reply to an old topic, but it might be useful to someone. Are you sure you were using a Ph meter suitable for measuring Ph in pure water (demineralized but also tap water)? I ask because I use a high quality ph meter which is very accurate but clearly states in the manual: this device is not intended for measuring Ph in pure water, including tapwater in some countries. When measuring pure water, it could take up to 2 minutes to get a stable reading, or it may not be able to get a stable reading at all”. And then it goes on about a different type of sensor which is able to do it…. Could be your meter was not able to handle the tapwater because it was too clear (usually if you live in a country / area where it’s save to drink tapwater )
 
So, what I see is Clorossis and ph issue.
When you do a Run off test for ph and it's 7.0 in dirt you can not really lower it easily like if you grew in coco. Here is what I have done in the past.
Useing only teverse osmosis or distilled water in 1 gal container, add PH DOWN and bring your PH to 5 then slowly add the water untill 20% run off. Wait for the water to stop running off into your tray. Now, test the water in the tray. You should see a drop from 7 originally. IN dirt Never ever do more than one Ph change per week. DIRT RETAINS allot of water and you will end up with root rot trying to flush or ph adjust with to much watering.
When you feed Dirt, it should be very Light as the soil has Nutrients for Veg and flower for the 1st 3 months from seedling in new dirt. When we grow in dirt, or coco we purify the Dirt 1st then PH balance or buffer the Medium before we plant or Add top dressing. PURIFICATION is a simple process but nessasary as it Kills all sitting molds, diseases, bugs, larva, etc that could be present in the dirt. BUFFERING is simply adding a 5 ph distilled or RO Watering after PURIFICATION to bring down the ph to 5.5-6. Always ADD nutes accordingly by manufacturer instructions but always Double check the Solution before Ph buffering the solution with ph and Ec / ppm testers. Depending on stage you want the PPM do be right and the Ph to be perfect before you add to the plants.
In coco it's super easy to adjust and you can flush as much as you want as the retension of water is Minimal and oxegen levels are more than adequate.
I USE General Hydroponics flora Kleen to flush, it automatically ph level of any water ph to 6.0 and gets rid of salt, mineral build up, gives medium Balance again. COCO is Innert. Always ph 7.0 never fluctuates. Only the water Ro ph will vary. Rule of thumb is this for coco..
What ever you Start with for PH is what the Roots will take in at time of absorption. Don't freak out if the RO is Not the same as what went in. Your margin of ph is .5 - 1 ph of start.
In coco, nutes must be dialed in perfect accordingly to the Stage the plant is in.
Rule of thumb for me is Seedling I want ph 6.5 and PPM 200
Week 2 Veg week 1 I like 500 ppm 6.5ph
Week 2 - 8 Veg i like 500- 700 ppm 6 ph
Trans should be around 700 ppm 5.5 ph
Flower Week 1-4 700 - 800 ppm 5.5ph
Flower 4-6 mid flower 800 - 1000 ppm 5.5 ph
Flower late flower 600-800 ppm 5.5ph
Ripen stage last 2 weeks before harvest 400-600 ppm. 6. Ph
Rinse flush 1 week 6 ph
When in coco, I never ever use anything but coco coir and perlite. 30% perlite 70% coco coir. Nothing else. My fergitation cycle is 1m feed every 4 hours for 16 hrs / 20 hr day on a RdwcW system. Recycle deep water cycle to waist. I mix 15 gal of nutrients once every week, flush between stages.
when you notice Yellowing, diagnose the leaf well. Where is it yellow? Tips? Body? Veins? Edges? Is it curling? Up or down ?
Is there brown spots? Edges going brown? All mean different things.
Clorosis is Toxic nitrogen when feeding.
Bring down the Amount of N when mixing. I Always start with N - Grow, then Micro then Bloom then supliments and at the end Aftet Ph and PPM testing i add 5ml / gal 5% h202 in the mix at the end.this gives more oxegen to the Roots, kills bacteria, molds, breaks down Salts, mineral Build up and is a natural steroid for Roots. Pure Honey is also a wicked root starter for seedlings.here is a summary of Yellow leaf symptoms.
Id like to suggest an APP that is very useful in getting a close diagnosis for treatment. PLANT PARENT APP.
Hope I was helpful...
chlorosis

Symptoms of overwatering

Leaves turning yellow-brown, from the bottom of the plant moving upward
As leaves wilt, they become wet and mushy
New growth becomes brown
Rotting roots may give off a musty smell

Symptoms of underwatering

Yellow leaves throughout the plant
Leaves shrivel but take on a dry, crispy quality
Whole plant could begin to sag
Growth will slow and eventually stop

Symptoms of pH issues

Yellowing leaves
Brown spots on leaves
Drying leaves
Slow or stalled growth

Symptoms of nutrient lockout and nutrient deficiencies

Leaves yellowing at outer edges and veins (magnesium)
Leaves yellowing at base and moving toward the tips (sulphur)
Yellowing of older, lower leaves, moving upward (nitrogen)
Discolouration starting at the tip of the leaf and moving inward (phosphorous)
Dull colouration and “burning” (potassium)
Brown spots on upper fan leaves (calcium)


Symptoms of light burn

Yellowing or browning of upper fan leaves, and potentially on sugar leaves and buds too
Lower leaves shouldn’t be affected; if they are, something else is going on


Symptoms of excessive temperatures

Discolouration of fan leaves
Thin and wispy bud production

Symptoms of bud rot

Yellowing of sugar leaves from the base outward, as the base of the bud rots first
Brown spots on buds, with the whole flower eventually turning brown
Wet, rotten patches
 
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