Seamaiden
Living dead girl
- 23,596
- 638
How so? How am I displaying my ignorance? I speak with certainty when I AM certain.
Keep digging, you're gonna end up at the center soon enough.
Keep digging, you're gonna end up at the center soon enough.
Seamaiden
Living dead girl
- 23,596
- 638
You don't know what you're talking about and you're giving awful advice. I'm not leaving it alone because the thread is begun by a friend who really knows his stuff.
If you think E20 deals with them all, you're terribly mistaken, terribly. Now, stop telling people that it's good, beneficial, and treats everything.
And it's etiquette. I will speak my piece as I see fit. In pieces, or all at once. But I've spoken and written a great deal about E20 here, and what you're saying about it is wrong. The way you're using it, as a prophylactic is specifically against label directions. And you're continually making a better and better argument for the government to take cannabis cultivation over from the individual and corporatize, then pharmaceuticalize it.
I'm going to ask a moderator to clean this up, at least an entire page has been spent debating stuff that should require no debate were both parties sufficiently informed and educated about this particular product. I will not let the kinds of assertions you're making go, because they are THAT wrong.
dirk d
- 1,538
- 263
i recently started dunking my clones in eagle-20. fought for about 18 months with this and that synthetic organic nothing fing worked. they say the eagle 20 stays in the plant about 30-45 days or so. If you use the eagle 20 only on your clones and only on strains you know to have pm i believe you should be fine. i veg my plants for 9 weeks so that should be plenty of time before they go into flower. and then flower for 9-10 weeks.
now another promising thing is actually making a fungal dominant AACT and applying that every week. I should have some results to share in a couple months.
now another promising thing is actually making a fungal dominant AACT and applying that every week. I should have some results to share in a couple months.
dirk d
- 1,538
- 263
what i found out is that pissing matchs rarely leave either party free from pissing on themselves lol the wind shifts too quickly to compensate lol
eagle 20 has its uses but you have to be very careful. make sure you have proper protective gear. and im talking respirator/fully clothed body/limbs eye protection everything. just like a hazmat team. trust me after 18 months of fighting i felt like nuking my grow op.
what's funny to me is that a lot of people dont like heavy chemicals(im one of them) but they have no problem eating/drinking foods laced with poisons and toxins. also just imagine all the people smoking moldy/pm filled buds that have no idea. something to think about anyways.
eagle 20 has its uses but you have to be very careful. make sure you have proper protective gear. and im talking respirator/fully clothed body/limbs eye protection everything. just like a hazmat team. trust me after 18 months of fighting i felt like nuking my grow op.
what's funny to me is that a lot of people dont like heavy chemicals(im one of them) but they have no problem eating/drinking foods laced with poisons and toxins. also just imagine all the people smoking moldy/pm filled buds that have no idea. something to think about anyways.
ttystikk
- 6,892
- 313
That would be 'etiquette', but hey- you can make up all the rules about fungus and carcinogenic chemicals, why not rewrite the dictionary too?
Look, fool- and you've proven that well enough by now- you clearly haven't a damned clue as to what you're talking about, and the forum system is doing its job by calling you out on your A. ignorance of the basic facts at hand, and B. your bad attitude when confronted by someone who so clearly does.
Muttybuddy, I suggest you speak less and study more. You might start with this thing called 'spelling.' Copy n paste if you can't manage to get it right in the google search window...
Chobble
- 789
- 93
Thats not true.. Safer soap is a miticide, Go kill root aphids or spider mites with it.
I hadnt seen the other two pages yet. Thats about how I feel about this guy.
Also dumb dog guy, Im a botany student in California. Ill tell you this as a matter of fact just because they company says its safe for consumption doesn't mean that the systemic leaves the plant it just gets to a point where the government says the PPM is to little and wont cause damage, your still getting bad carcinogens.
This thread was also about ORGANIC methods. Not chemicals etc.
Chobble
Capulator
likes to smell trees.
Supporter
- 6,070
- 313
If you were using it as directed, and if you believed the half life was true... E20 would not keep PM off of your flowers past week 4 or 5 (which is when PM shows up a lot of the time), if you got spores introduced to your room again (very easy since spores can remain in the room for a long time). I fought PM for 5 months before I used E20 on clones and on the veg plants. I also scrubbed my whole room (did a complete teardown and bleached everything). I have not used e20 since, and I have been lucky enough not to get PM. I do use my bennies, which have species which systemically fight PM, and are 100% safe to handle.
Yes when used often PM can develop a resistance to E20. Biological species are VERY capable of adapting quickly in order to infect hosts in order to survive on Earth.
Again, E20 will not cure or prevent bud rot, which is due to too much humidity, not enough air circulation, and/or dense flowers..You woudl be getting budrot at weeks 6--> anyway, so E20 would not be effective no matter what (if you believed the half life)
E20 as a last resort, and never on flowering plants. Keep in mind that there are no studies that will ever be done on the toxicities of E20 when it comes to edible flowers. Better safe than sorry.
Bud dog mutt, you need to relax bro. You don't need to post 3 times in a row to get your point across. You are entitled to do whatever you want in your garden, provided you are using all of what you grow. The problem is when you make a short post only saying how great eagle 20 is to use on all of your clones etc.. people may get the wrong idea and think that it is safe to apply.
I am pretty sure that E20 is not even legal in California FWIW.
Yes when used often PM can develop a resistance to E20. Biological species are VERY capable of adapting quickly in order to infect hosts in order to survive on Earth.
Again, E20 will not cure or prevent bud rot, which is due to too much humidity, not enough air circulation, and/or dense flowers..You woudl be getting budrot at weeks 6--> anyway, so E20 would not be effective no matter what (if you believed the half life)
E20 as a last resort, and never on flowering plants. Keep in mind that there are no studies that will ever be done on the toxicities of E20 when it comes to edible flowers. Better safe than sorry.
Bud dog mutt, you need to relax bro. You don't need to post 3 times in a row to get your point across. You are entitled to do whatever you want in your garden, provided you are using all of what you grow. The problem is when you make a short post only saying how great eagle 20 is to use on all of your clones etc.. people may get the wrong idea and think that it is safe to apply.
I am pretty sure that E20 is not even legal in California FWIW.
Capulator
likes to smell trees.
Supporter
- 6,070
- 313
If you plant horsetail, keep it in a container. I am referring to Equisetum.
Chobble
- 789
- 93
Do you have an idea of a type of horsetail that would provide the best mold fighting properties :?
Everyones minding there own, Me and cap easily disproved what your saying about E20.... Stop posting and read. Its bad etiquette to post 5 times in a row.
Chobble
Capulator
likes to smell trees.
Supporter
- 6,070
- 313
Botrytis AKA budrot... is mold lol. Saying that PM causes budrot is incorrect.lol. lol.
For the record lol I also have Eagle 20, and have used it, lol, and I speak from experience not the WWW lol.
buddogmutt
Banned
- 112
- 18
Who said PM causes budrot....not me!!!!
Capulator
likes to smell trees.
Supporter
- 6,070
- 313
I believe its equisetum hyemale, the same one used in landscape quite a bit. It is a runner. It will take over your whole garden if not kept in a container.
buddogmutt
Banned
- 112
- 18
the only time i mentioned PM was to say its not the only fungus issue a marijuana plant can have...
Capulator
likes to smell trees.
Supporter
- 6,070
- 313
You should go back and read your own posts."I know... you did a google search, and now you are educating me... LOL...LOL...", seems like fightin' words to me...
C'mon bro. You are getting a little defensive don't you think? Nobody said you weren't entitled to your opinion. This is open forum.
Capulator
likes to smell trees.
Supporter
- 6,070
- 313
Capulator
likes to smell trees.
Supporter
- 6,070
- 313
Capulator
likes to smell trees.
Supporter
- 6,070
- 313
here is your original post, where you imply that by using e-20, you never have mold or fungi problems. Then you tell people to do some reading and stop relying on others.
It's misleading. Sorry bro, but all I said was that E-20 is not a cure all as you implied. I also said if you haven't ever had a mold issue, you have either been lucky or you haven't been growin' long enough, and that's only my humble opinion.
-peace.
buddogmutt
Banned
- 112
- 18
its worked for me...thats all im doing different then this grower to explain it...so i gave my opinion..
buddogmutt
Banned
- 112
- 18
yeah, whats wrong with tellin someone theres documented info is out there on the subject and do some investigating
Chobble
- 789
- 93
What we're saying is this isnt a safe alternative. You got offended saying it is... You read a label and you think you know the world. Im no Chemist (We need squiggly up in here).
The Perpelant drip, Like anything else can be absorbed into the plant and transferred through the stomata. So no, Perpelant drips are not safe.
Like Cap Said the E20 Half life is about 45-60 days. Thats when its "Safe for human consumption" Dictated by whatever government entity. The same entity that says you can have a certain amount of rat crap in your CoCo Puffs.
That brings me back to the point just because its "Safe" doesnt mean its safe. The E20 will continue to live in the plants for ~ 90 - 120 days, Given the half life being 45-60 days. That means the half life is actually 45-60 days, but I feel like that sounds about right.
Now you go do some investigating, Get educated and learn about the things you put on your plants.
I post this more not to convince you to use it, Just to make sure its repeated over and over again so some nooby who searchs the forms doesnt go get E20 for his mold problems...
Thanks cap, Im gonna go steal some from the local city kept gardens :D. Soo much of it.
Chobble
P.S. I highlighted key words so you may understand..
The Perpelant drip, Like anything else can be absorbed into the plant and transferred through the stomata. So no, Perpelant drips are not safe.
Like Cap Said the E20 Half life is about 45-60 days. Thats when its "Safe for human consumption" Dictated by whatever government entity. The same entity that says you can have a certain amount of rat crap in your CoCo Puffs.
That brings me back to the point just because its "Safe" doesnt mean its safe. The E20 will continue to live in the plants for ~ 90 - 120 days, Given the half life being 45-60 days. That means the half life is actually 45-60 days, but I feel like that sounds about right.
Now you go do some investigating, Get educated and learn about the things you put on your plants.
I post this more not to convince you to use it, Just to make sure its repeated over and over again so some nooby who searchs the forms doesnt go get E20 for his mold problems...
Thanks cap, Im gonna go steal some from the local city kept gardens :D. Soo much of it.
Chobble
P.S. I highlighted key words so you may understand..
