My First Clone Job

[Don Peppy]

Thanks everyone for the great input and info.. All ideas and experiences are welcome.. Feel free you first time cloners to jump in and share also.. Thanks, Donny P

 

[Don Peppy]

Yes very addictive .... cool thread liking the detail on the link provided but my tool box is smaller than yours for sure. I would personally buy the cloner as I would of been smoking GSC if I had a bought it a long time ago instead of my 1 clone not making it.... would hate to lose a elite cut .....

best of luck
SoSerThc1

I would have to get mine at Amazon.com..

 

[Mr_GreenGenes]

Sup DP...lookin good bro. It aint hard once you have a cple runs at it. I just use FF Happy Frog with an extra 25-30% perlite mixed in for a nice airy mix. I found my success rate went up from about 75% to 99.9% when I switched from rooting powder to Clonex Gel, its very rare that I lose one. I like the LQ too, but I use it at a much lower rate, 1tsp per gal watered into the soil before ya put the cuts in there has worked great for me.
Ive also tried a few different ways of taking the cuts...takin em out of water..under water...splitting the stem etc etc. I got better results from the cuts I just took from the bottom of the plant, cut at a 45, dip em in Clonex and put em in the LQ fortified soil, mist the dome and leave em alone. There was an old member at BCBD that used to use a rusty fuckin knife to take his clones and he got about 90% LMAO.

 

[Don Peppy]

Sup DP...lookin good bro. It aint hard once you have a cple runs at it. I just use FF Happy Frog with an extra 25-30% perlite mixed in for a nice airy mix. I found my success rate went up from about 75% to 99.9% when I switched from rooting powder to Clonex Gel, its very rare that I lose one. I like the LQ too, but I use it at a much lower rate, 1tsp per gal watered into the soil before ya put the cuts in there has worked great for me.
Ive also tried a few different ways of taking the cuts...takin em out of water..under water...splitting the stem etc etc. I got better results from the cuts I just took from the bottom of the plant, cut at a 45, dip em in Clonex and put em in the LQ fortified soil, mist the dome and leave em alone. There was an old member at BCBD that used to use a rusty fuckin knife to take his clones and he got about 90% LMAO.

Thanks bro.. One of the cuts I made from the blue lemon thai.. I cut it straight, no angle.. just to try it out.. I heard it creates less of a wound.. or calass I think it was described.. and its doing fine.. And I looked like a surgeon doing it! lol.. the dude at bcbd would of got a kick out of that.. Do you go straight into soil after the gel dip? No rooting plugs?.. Thanks bro..

 

[Mr_GreenGenes]

Yes sir...tried a cple different plugs...even used Promix BX for a minute but that shit was just too hard to get wet the first time.... but for me since I was already using OF and HF I tried the HF with a nice ratio of added perlite and it worked great and have never looked back. And yeah bro I make the cut, put the cut into a shot glass of Clonex and let it sit while I take my next cut, then put that cut into the gel, take the previous cut out and place directly into a 4x4 square container with the HF/perlite mix watered in with 1 tsp LQ and use a pencil to make a preformed hole, put the cut in, cover dirt around stem, mist dome cover it and leave it alone. You got this bro its just a matter of perfecting it now! MGG

 

[Max Frost]

Thanks Max.. I been keeping up the misting because there doing so well. I think I'll start to open the vents today.. I really love the LK.. been using it on my other plants as well.. And the Happy Frog is on stand by.. This can be addictive!.. Thanks for stopping by.. DP

Haha...yup! Definitely addictive! You just thought that closet was full before! :eek:I'm glad you're liking the Liquid Karma! I love it and use it thru all stages of growth. It's one of the few supplement products I've found that really lives up to the hype. If I miss using it a watering or two, I can really tell the difference. Good shit!

Yes very addictive .... cool thread liking the detail on the link provided but my tool box is smaller than yours for sure. I would personally buy the cloner as I would of been smoking GSC if I had a bought it a long time ago instead of my 1 clone not making it.... would hate to lose a elite cut .....

best of luck
SoSerThc1

SoSer...bro...it's NOT about the size of your box, but rather what tools you've got inside! ;) Haha. I thought about buying/building a cloner at one point, but I really enjoy taking them like DP does, and my success rate is great, so I just didn't see the point. I know allot of folks love them tho.

Completely agree. The less you fudge with them the better they'll be. I usually mist the domes 1-2 times a day and thats it. Leave the dome on for at least 7 days. I usually just vent it and leave it on until everything is rooted. Start looking for roots after 8-10 days.

They look good though bro. They'll root up for sure. Don't oversaturate the plugs! You wanna hit them right before they are fairly dry. Let the roots that are forming stretch out to search for water

Cannarado...well said, bro! I completely agree! I don't like to mess with them either other than misting the dome a few times a day and moistening the plugs. I think it's a great point you raise about hitting them just before they dry. It's a fine line...haha! You don;t want to let them actually dry out, the roots are still very fragile at this point. But you do want them to have to "get off the couch" and get some exercise!

In my experience...
The best advise I have read on cloning is to bulk up the downer before cutting.
Health and size of the cutting has the greatest impact on success.
Many of the compulsions that pile up in cloning procedures are of no use in my opinion.
I have read of people using a new razor blade for each cut, and also making that cut under water.
The same procedural creep is what drives the plethora of additives and secret sauces for sale.
I come from a science education.
Believing in results without control evidence is to act on faith.

Dunge, what do you mean about "bulking up the downer"? Also, what size cuts do you find do best? I couldn't agree more with you on most of the things you hear about being unnecessary! I do like to use a new blade for each cloning session, but certainly not for each cut! You just want a nice sterile blade that is sharp enough to make a clean cut without crushing or tearing the vasculature. A razor blade will stay sharp enough to do that for probably a 1000 cuts! I do have to take exception with you on the part about cutting under water. I have done it both ways, and my success rate is much higher taking the cuts under water. At least that's true for my experience.

Again, DP...great job man and exceptionally great for a first time! K+ bro!

Best,

Max :wacky:

 

[Don Peppy]

Thanks max.. Dunge, I was a little confused also about bulking up the downer.. maybe the plant?.. But I agree with max.. Its no big deal to sterilize your razor after each cut.. Heres a pic of the blue lemon thai that I made a straight cut instead of a 45 degree cut..

 

[Dunge]

Thanks max.. Dunge, I was a little confused also about bulking up the downer.. maybe the plant?.. View attachment 333374

I have read authoritative reports from farmers who take great care to put their mother plants in TOP condition prior to taking cuts.
The idea is to get them as "fat and happy" as you can. If the cutting is in max growth at the time of cutting then rooting gets a jump start.
As I remember: Lots of light and water and some have other tricks that they dial in.
It makes sense.
I have better success when cloning summer sun grown plants. They seem to like the sun better than my basement lamps.

PS I cut at 45 deg. to make the stick pointy. 43 deg. works just as well.

 

[Don Peppy]

I have read authoritative reports from farmers who take great care to put their mother plants in TOP condition prior to taking cuts.
The idea is to get them as "fat and happy" as you can. If the cutting is in max growth at the time of cutting then rooting gets a jump start.
As I remember: Lots of light and water and some have other tricks that they dial in.
It makes sense.
I have better success when cloning summer sun grown plants. They seem to like the sun better than my basement lamps.

PS I cut at 45 deg. to make the stick pointy. 43 deg. works just as well.

Thanks Dunge, the ak-47 was veg'n for 10 weeks and looked nice and healthy, and the two thai cuts were taken from one that was in flower for only 6 days.. and only made one straight cut just as a test.. Thanks for stopping by.. DP

 

[Max Frost]

I have read authoritative reports from farmers who take great care to put their mother plants in TOP condition prior to taking cuts.
The idea is to get them as "fat and happy" as you can. If the cutting is in max growth at the time of cutting then rooting gets a jump start.
As I remember: Lots of light and water and some have other tricks that they dial in.
It makes sense.
I have better success when cloning summer sun grown plants. They seem to like the sun better than my basement lamps.

PS I cut at 45 deg. to make the stick pointy. 43 deg. works just as well.

Yeah, it does make sense to have them running on all cylinders before you cut. I've also heard of some growers who like to bump up the P by using flowering nutes a week or two before taking the cuts too. The higher P is supposed to be beneficial in rooting. I've never done it tho. My success rate is in the high 90% area, so it's just never been necessary. I usually only take a few cuts at a time too. I'm a VERY small operation.

Thanks Dunge, the ak-47 was veg'n for 10 weeks and looked nice and healthy, and the two thai cuts were taken from one that was in flower for only 6 days.. and only made one straight cut just as a test.. Thanks for stopping by.. DP

DP, please let us know how the thai cuts do compared to the others. I've also heard that cuts taken while in flowering are also supposed to root faster/better. The downside is that then you've got to revert back to veg growth at the same time, so here again while I've never tried it, it seems to me this would slow things down overall. I'm curious to learn what you're experience is with this. Thanks! And again...great job bro!

 

[Don Peppy]

Today is, days 11 & 12 since taking cuts.. I opened the vents on day 9, and removed the domed lid today. I did have one casualty so far.. one of the ak-47 cuts, and another ak-47 cut is looking a bit sad.. I think I might have over saturated the plugs.. But three are still looking ok.. I probably will check for some roots in a few days.. and let these plugs start to dry off.. I'm hoping for one or two to make it!.. 1st pic sad looking ak-47.. 2nd pic happy ak-47.. 3rd & 4th pic of the blue lemon thai..

 

[Mr_GreenGenes]

Lookin good bro. Some strains are def. harder to root than others. Keep workin em bro you're doin great! MGG

 

[baba G]

In my experience...
The best advise I have read on cloning is to bulk up the downer before cutting.
Health and size of the cutting has the greatest impact on success.
Many of the compulsions that pile up in cloning procedures are of no use in my opinion.
I have read of people using a new razor blade for each cut, and also making that cut under water.
The same procedural creep is what drives the plethora of additives and secret sauces for sale.
I come from a science education.
Believing in results without control evidence is to act on faith.

It's proven that taking the cut under water is beneficial, science wise! And it's proven science that the 45 degree angle is not going to help you here. A straight cut is just fine, actually better for this application. I use scissors, but I agree stock plant is of huge importance.

Stop feeding the stock mother the week before, too much nitro makes them green and rubbery, you want more woodyness to them and straight water will do that. Foliar with fulvic too the week before taking cuts. And take your final cut on the stem where the softness meets the woodiness, that is where roots will grow first. That's all backed by heavy science, coming straight from a botanist ;)

 

[altitudefarmer]

... They could use a little viagra...

Probably. Funny as it sounds...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1126921/


Not that I promote the use of any pharm products. Just found it amusing.

 

[Don Peppy]

It's proven that taking the cut under water is beneficial, science wise! And it's proven science that the 45 degree angle is not going to help you here. A straight cut is just fine, actually better for this application. I use scissors, but I agree stock plant is of huge importance.

Stop feeding the stock mother the week before, too much nitro makes them green and rubbery, you want more woodyness to them and straight water will do that. Foliar with fulvic too the week before taking cuts. And take your final cut on the stem where the softness meets the woodiness, that is where roots will grow first. That's all backed by heavy science, coming straight from a botanist ;)

Thanks baba for stopping by and helping.. Wish I had a bigger grow area, this is addictive.. What is your opinion of taking cuts from a fem seed?.. I use them because of the small grow area.. Thanks DP

 

[Don Peppy]

Probably. Funny as it sounds...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1126921/


Not that I promote the use of any pharm products. Just found it amusing.

Nor do I, but its the greatest invention since sliced bread.. They say call your doctor if erection last for 4 hours or longer.. Hell, I'm calling ESPN Sports, or Fox News!..lol.. Thanks for stopping by..DP

 

[Max Frost]

It's proven that taking the cut under water is beneficial, science wise! And it's proven science that the 45 degree angle is not going to help you here. A straight cut is just fine, actually better for this application. I use scissors, but I agree stock plant is of huge importance.

Stop feeding the stock mother the week before, too much nitro makes them green and rubbery, you want more woodyness to them and straight water will do that. Foliar with fulvic too the week before taking cuts. And take your final cut on the stem where the softness meets the woodiness, that is where roots will grow first. That's all backed by heavy science, coming straight from a botanist ;)

Hey Baba, just curious as to where that info comes from that a 45 degree angle cut isn't beneficial. Since the roots are formed in a "layer" of the stem (I think "cadmium", but I'm probably waaay off), it makes sense that exposing more of this area (which a 45 degree cut would do) that it would be beneficial.

Probably. Funny as it sounds...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1126921/


Not that I promote the use of any pharm products. Just found it amusing.

Haha..Attitude, that's a great piece! Thanks for posting the link! I was wondering what use I'd have for all that Viagra I stocked up on now that I've sworn off the crazy bitches for good! :bored:

Nor do I, but its the greatest invention since sliced bread.. They say call your doctor if erection last for 4 hours or longer.. Hell, I'm calling ESPN Sports, or Fox News!..lol.. Thanks for stopping by..DP

LOL...I hear ya DP! But I kinda feel cheated if it don't stay up for 4+ hours! Hey bro...those clones in the pics look great! What are you talking about they don't look happy? Differwent strains will all react differently to the process. I've had some that wilted to the point they looked dead, and turned yellow...but still survived the process and went on to be great adults! Don't give up on them too quickly!

Best,

Max :wacky:

 

[baba G]

Hey Baba, just curious as to where that info comes from that a 45 degree angle cut isn't beneficial. Since the roots are formed in a "layer" of the stem (I think "cadmium", but I'm probably waaay off), it makes sense that exposing more of this area (which a 45 degree cut would do) that it would be beneficial.



Haha..Attitude, that's a great piece! Thanks for posting the link! I was wondering what use I'd have for all that Viagra I stocked up on now that I've sworn off the crazy bitches for good! :bored:



LOL...I hear ya DP! But I kinda feel cheated if it don't stay up for 4+ hours! Hey bro...those clones in the pics look great! What are you talking about they don't look happy? Differwent strains will all react differently to the process. I've had some that wilted to the point they looked dead, and turned yellow...but still survived the process and went on to be great adults! Don't give up on them too quickly!

Best,

Max :wacky:

Hey bro, I posted a link for you describing some stuff I mentioned. Cadmium is a metal, your prob thinking of cambian, outer cambian, pre cambian, layers of the stalk and stuff.

 

[baba G]

If we were taking cuts to just sit in water a 45 degree angle would be advantageous...

 

[Don Peppy]

Thanks again everyone for the help, encouragement, and kind words.. My first clone job has been like a Sour Patch Kid..The sour before the sweet I guess.. I lost one cut earlier that I reported, and yesterday I checked the others for some root action.. And the taste of sweet.. Heres one of the ak-47's before and after.. Even the sad looking ak had a root or two..

I'll be posting more pics soon.. Donny P