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My rare mini chocolope pheno e&f sog

Looks good Chief, my rule of thumb is don't do any trimming after 21 days into flower. I changed my rule of thumb when I switched to hydro. That's when pretty much every strain I have stops stretching for the most part. The surgery looks like it was a...
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Looks good Chief, my rule of thumb is don't do any trimming after 21 days into flower. I changed my rule of thumb when I switched to hydro. That's when pretty much every strain I have stops stretching for the most part. The surgery looks like it was a success though, that canopy should fill in nicely for you.

Well these bastards are stretchin like crazy compared ta last run, the tallest one was a good 3 inches away from the lens on my hood and when I looked in there today a few branches were pushed up against it! I mean thats over 3 inches of growth in less than 24 hours! So needless ta say that def made the canopy very uneven, it seems like the left side thats under my Agrosun Gold MH is stretchin a lot more than the right side thats under the my chrome dome HPS. Just food for thought the Chrome Domes (with the built in reflectors) are extremely bright lights, theyll freakin blind you! When I put it next to my Hortilux it looks twice as bright even tho the lumens are the same. I guess since all the light is directed straight down instead of being bounced off the reflector its more intense... anyway I highly recommend em, damn good bulbs.
Yea Malachi the surgery was a success and honestly the damn canopy is already filled up! Thats kinda worryin me, its gonna be real close when they start ta fill out. I did a lil more trimmin today ta remove some more side branches that looked like they were gonna cause some problems but I think were good now.
Took a few pics of some interesting shit I noticed while trimmin. Remember I said these girls branch like crazy? Well I found 6 or 7 branches shootin out of the same node! I took a pic of it, Ive seen 3 or 4, maybe 5 branches when I FIMed a plant but not this many! I also found a leaf with a wierd deformity I havent seen before.
And the foams back! I opened my res and it looked like I put too much detergent in the washer!
Pic one yuou can see my beautiful Hanna GroCheck Combo, lil pricey but oh so worth it!
 

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And just for all you bud porn lovers like myself and ta keep the thread interesting during this slow period of the flowering cycle.... heres some more pics from the last couple harvests! Enjoy!:harvest:
 

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Whats up with all my peoples down on the farm today! Im finally gettin my first grow journal under way and it should be one helluva ride yall. Im sure some of you remember the thread I started about my unusual chocolope pheno I found in a 6 pack from DNA.

Well I just had a feeling that this was a special pheno and after keeping the mother in veg for over 6 months I finally got a chance to flower some cuts from her at a buddys house ta find out if she really was worthy of being kept in my stable! My efforts were not in vain! This bushy little girl gave me cuts that finished in an amazing 52 days, produced extremely well, and the smoke is just as potent as the original Chocolope we all know and love!
So basically I found an almost 100% Sativa pheno that fully matures in under 8 weeks and doesnt stretch at all when flowered! She produces very well in SOG yielding dense fruity sticky ass nugs that will stink up the whole fuckin house! She'll grow single colas if untopped but will branch out like crazy if topped even once. And so far I havent come across a single other person that has this pheno, even DNA claims theyre unfamiliar with it! So if anybody is familiar with her at all Id love ta here any info you have and Im also very open to any name suggestions yall might have for her. Ive come up with mini-lope or shorty-lope, but this girl is deserving of a truly great name so please send any suggestions my way!

First of all before we get started this is gonna be a cool laid back thread so keep all shit talkin or negative ass comments off my thread! Im using Advanced Nutrients so Im sure there will be some nute discussion goin on. Please keep any and all Advanced Nutrients hater comments off my thread as well! Ive noticed a huge increase in shit talkin about AN on The Farm lately and jus had my last thread all but ruined by it and Im not gonna tolerate that shit on this one. Also Im not one of these "dont jack my thread" dick heads so feel free ta say whats up ta eachother but do try ta keep everything on topic.

Okay so lets get this journal started shall we? :harvest:

thread sounds really good cant wait to see the progress of your rare pheno!I just soaked and popped a chocolope seed but it looked really small like pure sativas do so im sure i wont be as lucky as you
 
There have been some rumors that Cannalope Haze is either C-99 or a C-99 hybrid. From what you describe, you have a very similar pheno of C-99. C-99 is a short flowering sativa with an intense fruity (cantaloupe smell fits- I know C-99 well) aroma and strong high. There are few strains out there that are similar to Cindy, so there are not many possibilities that you have something else. Nor do you have either a Haze Bros or mexican sativa that is fruity (Cannalope Haze stated mix), as there are few fruity short flower hazes (if any). You might want to look in the C-99 direction for identification.

hey zombywolf i have been looking to grow something that really reflects c-99 you seem to know it well could you mention some genetics youve that represented the c-99 strongly.thanks!
 
And a few more, look at that fade! Is that pink??? Oh yes fellas I believe it is!:confused0054:
 

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Well these bastards are stretchin like crazy compared ta last run, the tallest one was a good 3 inches away from the lens on my hood and when I looked in there today a few branches were pushed up against it! I mean thats over 3 inches of growth in less than 24 hours! So needless ta say that def made the canopy very uneven, it seems like the left side thats under my Agrosun Gold MH is stretchin a lot more than the right side thats under the my chrome dome HPS. Just food for thought the Chrome Domes (with the built in reflectors) are extremely bright lights, theyll freakin blind you! When I put it next to my Hortilux it looks twice as bright even tho the lumens are the same. I guess since all the light is directed straight down instead of being bounced off the reflector its more intense... anyway I highly recommend em, damn good bulbs.
Yea Malachi the surgery was a success and honestly the damn canopy is already filled up! Thats kinda worryin me, its gonna be real close when they start ta fill out. I did a lil more trimmin today ta remove some more side branches that looked like they were gonna cause some problems but I think were good now.
Took a few pics of some interesting shit I noticed while trimmin. Remember I said these girls branch like crazy? Well I found 6 or 7 branches shootin out of the same node! I took a pic of it, Ive seen 3 or 4, maybe 5 branches when I FIMed a plant but not this many! I also found a leaf with a wierd deformity I havent seen before.
And the foams back! I opened my res and it looked like I put too much detergent in the washer!
Pic one yuou can see my beautiful Hanna GroCheck Combo, lil pricey but oh so worth it!

i too am getting tired of hauling soil type mediums was the initial switch over to the ebb and flow expensive?looks great maybe that stretch of growth is due to the direct feed of the ebb and flow?your last one was soil right?ebb and flow just might be the ticket
 
Cacamel,

How about the original C-99 in 1999 from Soul? I am still on the original seeding from C-99 in 2/99. I have been looking at that strain every year for 10 years now. Anything you want to know?
 
i too am getting tired of hauling soil type mediums was the initial switch over to the ebb and flow expensive?looks great maybe that stretch of growth is due to the direct feed of the ebb and flow?your last one was soil right?ebb and flow just might be the ticket

Whats happenin cacamal, I feel ya man soil gets old. I actually havent done a true "soil" run for a few years now. Before this run I was using a coco mix that gave me excellent growth rates. 3 parts coco, 1 part perlite, and 1 part worm castings is a great mix. But I was actually thinkin the same thing man, I know that plants grown hydroponically grow much faster and I think that explains the increase in stretch this run.
But to answer your question, no it didnt cost me much but I already had a few things that I needed. The biggest rule of savin money on a new set up is to never let the grow shop sell you a complete system! Get everything you can from Home Depot and Walmart first! I bought a few 600s from a guy I know and he had some flood tables too and told me I could have em so I already had the 2x4 Im usin now and a couple 3x3s just sittin around. But you can usually get a flood table for under $100 bucks, Im always keepin an eye on Craigs List for stuff like that. My res is just a big 30 gallon tuperware type storage container. Home Depot carries a brand called Best Plastics, a 30 gallon container cost me like 15 bucks w/lid and this brand wont bow out on the sides like Rubbermaids do. A 30 gal res at my local grow shop was like 60 bucks and the lid was an extra $30!!!! So that was like 80 bucks saved right there.
Look into EcoPlus Pumps, I got my 290 gph for like $25 at the grow shop. Then you need fittings which are only available at a grow shop as far as I know and go ahead and get your tubing there too. Tubing was actually more expensive at Home Depot if you can believe that!
So maybe 50-100 for a table if you cant find one used. $25 for a pump, 20 bucks for fittings and tubing, and $15 for a res. Thats around $150 tops, unless your tryin ta run a 4x8 then its gonna cost a lil more for a bigger res and table. But only other thing ya need is Rockwool cubes which cost like $6 bucks for a 6 pack of 4x4s and I grabbed a coco mat for the roots ta grow into for less than 40 bucks. So if you shop thrifty you should be able ta get started for around $200 at the most and so far the transistion to hydro has been pretty easy. Its def not as complicated as people make it out ta be, especially if you have a good knowledge of plant growth.
 
Cacamel,

How about the original C-99 in 1999 from Soul? I am still on the original seeding from C-99 in 2/99. I have been looking at that strain every year for 10 years now. Anything you want to know?

What up Zomby, Id love ta get my hands on some Bros Grimm Cindy man! Youre a lucky guy ta still have access to her. Id love ta put her up next ta my Choc pheno and compare growth. I mean in pics they look so damn similar but seein grow side by side would really answer some questions ya know. You should throw some pics up if ya got some sittin around.
 
Thanks Winta I do my best buddy!
Well fellas as always small problems never cease to arise when workin with a new strain, and I seem to have run into my first one! This Choc pheno is a total Cal/Mag hog and since I run RO water Ive been keepin an eye out for any signs of deficiency. And today I noticed some crazy lookin interveinal yellowing, but instead of the edges of leaves being yellow like I normally see in a Mag def, the edges are still green and there's like a crazy lookin green/yellow pattern goin on. Its kinda cool lookin actually but its def not cool! Its kinda lookin like a Iron or maybe Zinc? deficiency, but there are some scattered lower leaves that have some dead necrotic lookin spots on em. Doesnt a Mag def do this??? Interveinal chlorosis of the upper leaves and scattered necrotic spots on some of the lower leaves?
SO... We got any nute deficiency experts in the building??? Ill throw in some pics ta help with diagnosis. I try ta keep my ph between 5.5 and 7.0, I do let it drift a little bit cause I hate usin PH up/down with beneficials as it tends to kill em. My res temps are always between 68-70 degrees, my room temp is 75 lights on and 65 lights off w/RH of around 35%. I did PH balance my RW before using it but I have heard that sometimes it tends to fluctuate and this bein my first run in hydro Im far from a RW expert! Just let me know if there's any other info I could add that would be helpful in diagnosis. Thanks in advance to anybody that can help.
On a lighter note my girls are finally startin ta shoot lots of nice little pisitls at all the growing shoots. Theyre a welcome site after almost 2 weeks of slow development. So we are on our way folks, its all downhill from here! Ill be doin a good flush on tues (thanks to Malachi!) followed by a res change and some updated pics.
 
Well the site aint lettin my upload any pics at the moment so Ill try back and see if I cant get these posted.
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Well my computer's finally lettin my upload pics so here were go. The leaves with the yellow striping are uppers and the ones w/the dead spots are lowers.
 

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Yea man the interveinal chlorosis w/the lower leaves havin necrotic patches make me think so too. But whats confusin me is Mg def usually are yellow on the outside edges of the leaves and it progresses deeper into the leaf just leaving the veins green. My leaves are green along the edges and the yellowing seems ta be starting in the middle of each leaflet and working its way out from there leaving the veins and perimeters still green. So it almost seems ta be yellowing in like the opposite pattern that Im used ta seeing, and little differences like that can completely change what kind of deficiency it is ya know??? IDK man Im feedin at over 1000 PPM right now which should be plenty of food right? Again this is my first hydro run so I really dont know what the hell Im doin but Im thinkin this is some kind of nute lock out and not a a lack of food. I havent flushed at all yet which Malachi informed me I should probably do once every week or two (thanks again buddy!) so Im gonna do a good flush w/Clearex and I think that should help. It seems like micro deficiencys usually come in groups too so I think it might be a mix of Mg and Iron or Zinc so I gave em a nice foliar of Spray n Grow, which I normally do once a week until week 4 or so, but Ive been slackin this run for some reason.
Deficiencies are not my area of expertise fellas! Where are all my nutrient experts at??? Come on I know yall got opinions let em fly I need some advice!!!
 
Damn where yall at??? I see Im gettin plenty of views dont be scared ta post now! I figured a lil bud porn would help. Seems like things been a lil slow lately down on the farm.... come on yall we need some activity around here, post away... especially about that deficiency!
Anyway yesterday I did a nice flush w/Clearex at about 15 ml per gal and changed the res so that was officially the start of the 3rd week. By next Tuesday we should have some nice buds startin ta set in ladies and gentleman, I cant freakin wait! These girls start off so damn slow but when week 5 hits they go into freakin warp speed overdrive mode! Pretty much all the bud mass is packed on durin week 5 and 6, and theyre ready by day 52! Its really wierd, I dont think Ive ever run anything else that grows like that.
I def needed that flush, 6 gal of RO plus 80 mils of Clearex gave me about 250 PPM. I hooked up a length of tubing to my pump and used it like a watering wand to rinse out the RW from the top. I hit em w/that for about 15 mins or so, then flooded the tray for another half an hour. My PPMs finally stopped rising at 1015! Yall think that coulda been behind that little deficiency, just maybe???
So as of yesterday my res consists of Connie A&B, Mother Earth Tea, B-52, SensiZyme, Bud Candy, Piranha, Tarantula, and Voodoo, and Big Bud. Im also usin Bud Factor X and Rhino Skin at 8 ml per gallon. After week 1 I cut out the Bud Blood which worked extremely well. According to the feeding schedule youre supposed ta cut out the beneficials after week 2 because they should already have an established population. But since I didnt use em during veg and my PH dropped slightly below 5 at one point, I went ahead and used the last lil bit I had left for good measure. I picked up a natural loofa and slide an airstone inside of it and put it in the res. Supposedly the beneficials will make that their new home instead of makin the walls of your res all slimey! I also threw a little 150 GPH pump in the res too ta keep the nutes nice and mixed up, I was noticing that the water in towards the bottom was tending to be a darker color than the rest of it and I dont like that!
So my PPMs are at about 1150 right now, theyre supposed ta peak at 1200 over week 4 & 5 but I think Im gonna push em to 1300 maybe 1350. My other Chocolope phenos could really gobble up the nutes and this one's not showin any sign of tip burn or anything at all so I think she'll be able ta take it no prob. Plus Im using the light feeding schedule and her leaves arent as dark as they should be IMO.
Not much happenin to photograph yet but Ill try ta throw up some pics tonight or tomorrow for shits n giggles. We still got a lil stretch goin on, so Im gonna have ta raise the lights a hair and thatll probably be where they stay. I just got a helluva deal on a Lumatek w/a Sun Spot 6 and a 250 cfm inline so I think Im gonna get this huge ass Radiant hood outta there and add the Sun Spot ta make some room for another fan or two. Theres bout ta be lots of buds in this little ass tent and I need as much airflow as possible! I think Im gonna use that 250 for an intake, anybody know if that would be bringin in too much air for a Vortex 450cfm ta handle? I know if the intake is bringin in more than the exhause can handle things will start to get stinky! I got it set up exhaust, hood, hood, Odor Sok all in one line. Its about 6 feet of distance between my Vortex and the carbon filter, including both hoods w/one 90 degree turn and the filter is rated for 296cfm I think, if that even matters? Where's all the HVAC gurus at???
 
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Chief glad to see you finally did a flush you lazy ass! Yea according to your PPM's the girls needed it. Yea its best to use another res pump in there to mix up those nutes. I think you will find that your deficiency will go bye bye now that your rockwool isn't caked with nutrient salts and locking out those valuable micros and metals. Not sure about your exhaust question, you should be fine though. Just fire it up and see if you have negative pressure. Oh, glad you like the avatar. Keep it green - Malachi
 
I bet that bird's mama didnt fly straight all year after Rover had his way with her!
But yea I hope your right and it was that easy ta fix and its not a damn ratio problem or somethin annoying like that! Thanks again for mentioning that to me man, I really had no idea that you needed ta flush besides the last week. I am a lazy bastard but not when it comes ta my stable of thoroughbreds, no room for slackin when it comes to my ladies!
Oh shit man, I was watchin that Seemorebuds earlier and I forgot that he does 2x4s with 32 plants in one of those rooms, you seen that? His foliage looked way more crowded than mine did before the surgeory and he ended up gettin some mold and had ta harvest early but still pulled almost 2 lbs from each 2x4! He made the comment that if he hadve thinned out the bottom branches he wouldve prevented the mold and they wouldve finished w/an even better yield. Watchin that upped my hopes for my yield this run! Id shit if I pulled 2 bo's from a 2x4!
 
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you can do it, 2 elbos really isn't that far off target. it a lil over a GR per watt. i always thin my bottom branches. in fact i clear out the entire bottom 1/2 of my underbrush right before the flip, and then at about day 20 i will do it again to catch any last minute scragglers.
 
my buddy had that same problem with his leaves. its def not mag, mag def burns just the tip of the fan leaves. No one could help me with the problem on here. I suggest giving a proper flush and start over with fresh nutes
 
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