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ri420patient · Feb 11, 2013

Been getting this on a few leaves here and there cal/mag? I think they ate up what I have them but I just added more in yesterday with my nutes any help thanks

hopssndharvest · Feb 12, 2013

ri420patient said:
im not sure about a 16 gallon but thinking tou meant 13 i seen my buddys 13 gal setup and was impressed i ave decent size ceilings so figured go big or go home are you using one for veg and one for flower or both being used for veg/flower how far are you spacing them, ceiling height i read a post from a premium farmer on here who said that he liked the smaller ones cause of less water and easir to maintain but if you have the room to get the igger ones i would

Thanks for the replies I didn't mean to side track you I just must have got excited seeing a great grow going similar to the setup I am getting ready to order, the more I see on here 13 gallons must be the way to go and 30 inches on center may even not be enough. I am just looking for a new challenge and this should be it. I just set up two 4x4 trays to start my clones out in, then will switch to the 13 gallons for a few more weeks of veg before flowering. I just wanted to have 2 separate system to try a michigan based company Ionics line in one system and CS in the other one.

ri420patient · Feb 12, 2013

hopssndharvest said:
Thanks for the replies I didn't mean to side track you I just must have got excited seeing a great grow going similar to the setup I am getting ready to order, the more I see on here 13 gallons must be the way to go and 30 inches on center may even not be enough. I am just looking for a new challenge and this should be it. I just set up two 4x4 trays to start my clones out in, then will switch to the 13 gallons for a few more weeks of veg before flowering. I just wanted to have 2 separate system to try a michigan based company Ionics line in one system and CS in the other one.

would like to see the differences when its up and running

tipper619sd · Feb 12, 2013

ri420patient said:
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Been getting this on a few leaves here and there cal/mag? I think they ate up what I have them but I just added more in yesterday with my nutes any help thanks

looks like burn to me u have been adding in hot at least that happens to me when i add in high nutes to fast to system things start to happen imo

ri420patient · Feb 12, 2013

tipper619sd said:
looks like burn to me u have been adding in hot at least that happens to me when i add in high nutes to fast to system things start to happen imo

i had been taking out 5 gallons and mixing them in that then puting back in at only 100ml at a time

tipper619sd · Feb 12, 2013

ri420patient said:
i had been taking out 5 gallons and mixing them in that then puting back in at only 100ml at a time

Ya i was doing that also and was having issues like that. I now only use my top off and just take a few gals out of the system so the top off can re fill what i took out. I usually cut the valve for a hour until the mix is pretty good and then let it refill back what i took out. Also once my top off starts to rise to about 500 ppms i fill back with plain r/o and ph and add uc roots and go from there. Idk i am still green to this but i am starting to get the hang of this. Hope this helps

ri420patient · Feb 13, 2013

my ph keeps rising so fast is it because there taking up nutrients so quickly it goes from 5.4 to 6.8 over night and the ppms dropped like 160 ppms in two days im going to dump the water in a day or two and start the flip the roots take up much of the buckets already ill post some pics in a few min

ri420patient · Feb 13, 2013

ri420patient · Feb 13, 2013

as you can see i got to cut up some of the cages but will do more today its about 400 cuts per cage had some blisters when i got done with 4 of them still need a cage for 3 of them ill go get that today to before its to late this is at day 21 of veg i think its def long enough i hope its not to long lol i have all the lights on now so 5600 watts there uptaking nutrients at a very fast rate the ph is going up really fast in one day wish i had some lights on the outsides but i will get them next run thanks for looking

ri420patient · Feb 13, 2013

and the huge giant leaves on the plant the ones that are 3 fingers wide if there blocking up alot of the side growth do you guys usually cut them off if there blocking to much i was doing some maintenance the last few days and alot of them were just so damn big blocking everything i cut a few off along with alot of underneath stuff would those be considered the sucker leaves or co-dominate leaves i didnt cut all of them just the ones that were blocking the flower sites

medmaneast · Feb 13, 2013

What up RI420PATIENT!! I haven't been logged on in a while but happen to pop on and saw your thread. Looking real nice! nice setup too, you put the time in and it shows. Anyway thought I might beable to help you out a little bit. The spotting on your leaves above IMO is from the ph being to high for to long of a time, most likely manganese getting locked out. Try to stay on the ph rise and keep it from going above 6.2 if possible.(PH rise is nothing but a good sign) floating 5.5-6.1 really works well for me in veg. Also I noticed the water level in your buckets is a little high for the amount of root growth you have at this point. Try dropping the water level 2-3 inches below the bottom of the net pot, that should help stand the leaves up straight and take the slight wrinkle out of them. Hope this helps, Plants are looking sick! Keep it up the good, and stay on the cultured solutions! Awesome product

Peace Med

ri420patient · Feb 13, 2013

medmaneast said:
What up RI420PATIENT!! I haven't been logged on in a while but happen to pop on and saw your thread. Looking real nice! nice setup too, you put the time in and it shows. Anyway thought I might beable to help you out a little bit. The spotting on your leaves above IMO is from the ph being to high for to long of a time, most likely manganese getting locked out. Try to stay on the ph rise and keep it from going above 6.2 if possible.(PH rise is nothing but a good sign) floating 5.5-6.1 really works well for me in veg. Also I noticed the water level in your buckets is a little high for the amount of root growth you have at this point. Try dropping the water level 2-3 inches below the bottom of the net pot, that should help stand the leaves up straight and take the slight wrinkle out of them. Hope this helps, Plants are looking sick! Keep it up the good, and stay on the cultured solutions! Awesome product

Peace Med

thanks for stopping by and thanks for the info ill definately try that out and my ph was staying up at around or over 6.2 lately. in the beginning it was fluctuating from 5.4 to 6.3 then i would add back nutes and let it rise up again but these last few days the ppms drop so fast and the ph rises so quick which is great i have been going down there to check every few hrs and have to ph down almost everytime im going to change out all the water tm and add back nutes for start of week 1 in flower and ill set the water level down then also i was wonderinghow to get the leaves to perk out more thanks for your time and please come back again are you on the east coast

ri420patient · Feb 13, 2013

them roots sure are amazing though

Quantum9 · Feb 13, 2013

looking awesome.

ri420patient · Feb 13, 2013

Quantum9 said:
looking awesome.

thanks q9 ive been reading alot of your threads well all of them lol been starting to do some trimming and cleaning up the bottoms trying to get everything exposed to the light was reading your thread on pruning techniques just wondering about the huge leaves im getting if i shouldnt trim them or should if there blocking undergrowth thanks for stopping by and and to all the great stuff you share btw that new thread you posted is going to be absolutely crazy where you going to fit all those roots lol you will need the 35 gallons next time

Quantum9 · Feb 13, 2013

The pruning looks really good so far... id stick to only VERY bottom suckers and the very top most largest leaves from now on.... Probibly start doing it 3-4 more times starting in about 5ish days from where you are now.

Looks killer man, keep up the good show.

ri420patient · Feb 13, 2013

Quantum9 said:
The pruning looks really good so far... id stick to only VERY bottom suckers and the very top most largest leaves from now on.... Probibly start doing it 3-4 more times starting in about 5ish days from where you are now.

Looks killer man, keep up the good show.

perfect thanks for the advice glad you came by waiting on those pics of them bushes

ri420patient · Feb 14, 2013

tm is another day got plenty of more blisters tn next time i dont need to cut the cages but next place ill buy already the right size imo whatever that means let me know so i can figure it out see you all soon with great pics to follow thanks for all the help

Greeneye04 · Feb 14, 2013

ri420patient said:
tm is another day got plenty of more blisters tn next time i dont need to cut the cages but next place ill buy already the right size imo whatever that means let me know so i can figure it out see you all soon with great pics to follow thanks for all the help

i buy cattle panel from Big R.... comes in 16'x50"sheets 6"x8" grid.10 guage steel.. i can make two cages from 1 sheet with caps.

medmaneast · Feb 14, 2013

ri420patient said:
thanks for stopping by and thanks for the info ill definately try that out and my ph was staying up at around or over 6.2 lately. in the beginning it was fluctuating from 5.4 to 6.3 then i would add back nutes and let it rise up again but these last few days the ppms drop so fast and the ph rises so quick which is great i have been going down there to check every few hrs and have to ph down almost everytime im going to change out all the water tm and add back nutes for start of week 1 in flower and ill set the water level down then also i was wonderinghow to get the leaves to perk out more thanks for your time and please come back again are you on the east coast

No problem bro! I was wondering, are you using a sub barrel? sub res connected to the float valve in the epicenter is a good way to keep ppms up and help with ph fluctuation. I like to keep my barrel ppm the same as the system with my ph around 5.7-5.8. as you transition into flower those girls will drink close to a gallon a day sometimes more, ph-ing your system several times a day is not good IMO, also pouring nutrients directly into epi without diluting can be harmful in some situations, using a barrel or sub res will free up alot of your time and the plants will be much happier if the water level, ph, and ppm don't fluctuate so drastically.

I would definetly do some pruning of the canopy, you got the right idea there. There is a great thread on ISA pruning at the top of the Under Current threads. Interference leaves should be your biggest concern. anything blocking light from getting to buds just below the main canopy should be removed during weeks 3-4 of flower. Check out desert squirels threads he is the man when it comes to getting the most out of the UC.

Nothing against Quantum9 I'm just not familiar with this farmer. I'm sure they got mad skills!

Yes I am on the east coast! I might be closer than you think ;) 401 for life!

Peace Med

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