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Wow, super impressed.jalisco - hey man, good eye..i used no cages on these, for support i do 2 things..first around day 7-10 of flower i drape a trellis over and around the plants and allow them to grow up and in to the trellis during stretch anchoring itself to the trellis..then around week 4 i drill 10-12 pinky size holes in the rim of each container, just big enough to fit a bamboo very tightly without fastening it to anything..i then go up and down the length of each bamboo and fasten as many branches as possible to each bamboo..i then tie support strings at different points of the trellis on each plant and ties those to the light posts above...doing both of these allows me to hold and and support large and small main branches with the bamboos aswell as hold up and support numerous colas around the plant with the trellis by only using a few support strings vs trying up every branch individually
some might think this is too much work and its better to use a cage..but i found that cages can constrict and alter the upward and outward growth of a plant during stretch in a negative way..this is why i stopped using cages as they never allowed the plant to grow outward naturally in the way i aim for...doing this although obviously much more work than a cage, allows me to support the entire plant without interfering with its upward and outward growth..its not for everyone or every garden and might even seem ghetto lol but i havent found a more efficient way to support trees without interfering with growth
here is a pic of right after i draped over the trellis
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and a pic to hopefully illustrate what i was describing better..if you look closely you can see the bamboos in the rim of the container and the trellis buried in the canopy anchored to the support strings
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thank you mouintain, glad to share...sorry for not getting back to your pm, i wrote you out an answer and lost it before i hit send..ill reply again when i get a chance
my transplant schedule is as follows...from rooted plug...2-3 weeks in half gal of bulk wool, one month in 5 gal of bulk wool, and finally one month veg in theyre final container, a 20 gal....then flip...so a ten to eleven week veg total, strain dependent...i was doing a twelve week veg when i went from plug to 4 inch cube but after tossing the 4 inch for a half gal of bulk wool, i was able to shave about 2 weeks off of the veg time..i am not a fan of cubed rockwool at all, its growth rates are soil like compared to bulk wool
i have my grow set up like an assembly line with the next 4 runs vegging at any given time...cuts in dome, plants in half gals, plants in 5 gals and plants in 20 gals...once a month the 20 gals get moved into the flower room to replace the ones that are being harvested..and are flowered the same day the previous ones are harvested..i do no preveg in the flower room, it is always on 12/12 as when i flip a new round of plants, half the flower room has plants that are already a month into flower
each month when these 20s are moved out of veg ..the 5 gals move up to 20s to take theyre place, the half gals move up to fives, plugs move up to half gals and a new round of clones is taken..doing it staged perpetually like this was the only way i was able to have a perpetual tree grow with a long veg, not too large of a veg room, all with 0 down time between crops...i have my flower room split in half with each half a month a part, so im chopping and flipping half of my flower room every month..this is by far the most productive and consistent system ive ever ran
Perpetual trees is a great idea once you get the timing down of your strains nothing beats it.
Was thinking these
So 8 15-gallon smart pots with a 80 lpm air pump. So 10 liters per site. Wonder if that would be enough to even make a difference. I might just try one or 2 sites to do side by side
thank you mouintain, glad to share...sorry for not getting back to your pm, i wrote you out an answer and lost it before i hit send..ill reply again when i get a chance
my transplant schedule is as follows...from rooted plug...2-3 weeks in half gal of bulk wool, one month in 5 gal of bulk wool, and finally one month veg in theyre final container, a 20 gal....then flip...so a ten to eleven week veg total, strain dependent...i was doing a twelve week veg when i went from plug to 4 inch cube but after tossing the 4 inch for a half gal of bulk wool, i was able to shave about 2 weeks off of the veg time..i am not a fan of cubed rockwool at all, its growth rates are soil like compared to bulk wool
i have my grow set up like an assembly line with the next 4 runs vegging at any given time...cuts in dome, plants in half gals, plants in 5 gals and plants in 20 gals...once a month the 20 gals get moved into the flower room to replace the ones that are being harvested..and are flowered the same day the previous ones are harvested..i do no preveg in the flower room, it is always on 12/12 as when i flip a new round of plants, half the flower room has plants that are already a month into flower
each month when these 20s are moved out of veg ..the 5 gals move up to 20s to take theyre place, the half gals move up to fives, plugs move up to half gals and a new round of clones is taken..doing it staged perpetually like this was the only way i was able to have a perpetual tree grow with a long veg, not too large of a veg room, all with 0 down time between crops...i have my flower room split in half with each half a month a part, so im chopping and flipping half of my flower room every month..this is by far the most productive and consistent system ive ever ran
Perpetual trees is a great idea once you get the timing down of your strains nothing beats it.
What medium are you putting those air lines into in the smart pots? Air diffusers into soil?
Thanks Don Juan. Really look forward to hearing from you when you have time.
No Co2 at all in your setup?
Is it possible to go from ez cloner to bulk rockwool? As far as cuts into cubes in a tray with a dome - takes a long time and seems to stress them a lot more than a cloner.
Chemdog #4 looks like a really bushy strain or you are masterful at training it - are you just topping the spreading them like crazy? It would of course be very challenging to shape for example a blue dream like that even with daily topping, but even something less prone to stretch could still be challenging to get such a short, wide canopy with that many tops... any recommendations for great shaping/topping?
Was trying to figure out how you lifted 30 gal smart pots full of soil from veg room to flower room - sounds very heavy, but I guess doable with 2 people. 20 gal no prob. You dont have any probs getting through the doorways to the veg room just before flip with that wide of a canopy? Its like 3' wide at flip?
Assuming you go directly to 1 plant under each light at flip, but it looks like maybe you have it set up to be able to move your lights closer together initially and then spread them apart (you said 6' at one point I think) as they get further into flower. That sounds a little crazy spreading lights and plants with all the stakes and trellis as you progress. But maybe with the bamboo holding the trellis its all pretty secure. So you vary between like 3' and 6' centers on the lights?
Perpetual is great to spread out the work, but some of the downsides are that the timing can be challenging with multiple strains and it does not allow for the room to be entirely cleaned, reset and sterilized between rounds. Allows for a much smaller veg space for sure. There are pros and cons to everything.
Love seeing your work, and thanks again for taking time to answer questions.
I see a lot more reasons not to do perpetual, running the same temp and humidity all the time isn't ideal, and if you had 3-4 rooms why not just run each room on its own cycle and clean out and start over. Having different plants at different cycles would mean mixing different tanks for each plants needs, and I don't see them needing water at the same time, This would require being in there everyday running water. I get my plants on a cycle of every other day. spreads work out. I don't see how you could dial in a rooms climate and the plants fertilizer needs when every plant is going to need something different. I believe strongly in running different levels of temp, humidity co2, ppms at different stages of plants growth. This is what dialing in a room is about, its not about running it all the same all the time. Its the little things that add up and make a huge difference in what you can get out of a plant.
Not really a perpetual grow, More like a multiple rooms coming off at different times. In most cases when talking perpetual its done in one room and that really what I was addressing. I wasn't really trying to direct my comment to you, I just misunderstood how you were doing your rooms.
Most people aren't going to build different rooms. If you have one room to flower perpetual is just a bad idea.
If your doing perpetual harvests from different rooms there really isn't any down sides.
those diffusers are a POS>.
Not true re. running perpetual systems. You assumed that people only do this all in one room, when in fact that's not the best way to do it. I have 4 separate zones, each with its own climate controller, to set ideal conditions for each zone for their specific needs for where they are in their cycle. Trying to average it for a whole roomful isn't ideal. Also, having separate rooms allows for COMPLETE cleaning, and because the grow its broken up into separate pieces, infestations have a much more difficult time spreading.
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