Nutrients what are you using? Need advice here.

gaboi42 · Nov 11, 2020

My bottle of Gold leaf arrived today. It's supposed to be ph stable, declhlorinate the water, and have readily available trace nutes.. pretty pricey and I've never run it b4 but it sounded legit and I want to run a simple nute program this time around. I've got 2 sickly plant I'm nursing now, and some new ladies in route via royal mail, so it will be a while before I can give a good update on how it works. I do like beastie and cha-ching...I used to run those 2 (not at once) with H&G A+B plus bloombastic and got great results

Fitter2004 · Nov 14, 2020

johnsmith_559 · Nov 14, 2020

use the cheapest compete 12 mineral containing you can get .
there is not difference in fertilizer base . all formulas comes from the same 8 to 10 possible sources ( calcium nitrate , monopotassium phosphate etc)
master blend is excellent for veg .I am not 100 % sure if they have a bloom but it would be easy to adjust for bloom . dont pay for water .get them dry and make stock solutions.
the only reason they make 2 parts is to keep them calcium away from the phosphate and sulphate. calcium ( usually calcium nitrate) reacts with phosphorus ( usually monopotassium phosphate) to form water insoluble calcium phosphate . there is no reason for cal mag at all. calcium and magnesium are 70% + of all water sources ec and calcium deficiency is extremely rare. Ca Mg and S are all around 200 ppm 100ppm and 200ppm .
it does not change much .I have grown 30 years and this whole call mag craze is just new . there Is no reason 5o have ANY supplement that is part of your nutrition solution. these supplements are meant for field cultivation where you can't change all.th4 nutrients. a supplement here , a supplement these. nitrogen fixating bacteria doing their thing. but. none of that is necessary inside in posts .got a problem? flush your medium with a 12 mineral complete solution all at once. push out the old and replace it with new.

gaboi42 · Dec 8, 2020

johnsmith_559 said:
use the cheapest compete 12 mineral containing you can get .
there is not difference in fertilizer base . all formulas comes from the same 8 to 10 possible sources ( calcium nitrate , monopotassium phosphate etc)
master blend is excellent for veg .I am not 100 % sure if they have a bloom but it would be easy to adjust for bloom . dont pay for water .get them dry and make stock solutions.
the only reason they make 2 parts is to keep them calcium away from the phosphate and sulphate. calcium ( usually calcium nitrate) reacts with phosphorus ( usually monopotassium phosphate) to form water insoluble calcium phosphate . there is no reason for cal mag at all. calcium and magnesium are 70% + of all water sources ec and calcium deficiency is extremely rare. Ca Mg and S are all around 200 ppm 100ppm and 200ppm .
it does not change much .I have grown 30 years and this whole call mag craze is just new . there Is no reason 5o have ANY supplement that is part of your nutrition solution. these supplements are meant for field cultivation where you can't change all.th4 nutrients. a supplement here , a supplement these. nitrogen fixating bacteria doing their thing. but. none of that is necessary inside in posts .got a problem? flush your medium with a 12 mineral complete solution all at once. push out the old and replace it with new.

Thanks for the info.. very detailed response...makes sense!

gaboi42 · Dec 8, 2020

Fitter2004 said:
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I do like the flora nova I part, I'm really trying to minimize the mixing and multiple components (best as possible).

B0ssD0ss · Dec 9, 2020

I think I'm going to go the way of organic. Looks so much simpler and less feedings, just top amend and water. I'm over mixing ferts several times a week to feed plants.

I'm looking at worm castings, 4-4-4 slow, release, and 3-9-4 in a small amount for veg (with autos) mixed into initial soil making and then one more top amend at week 4, and then worm castings, smaller dose of 4-4-4 and a larger 3-9-4 bloom booster week 6-7, then every 2 weeks after til week 12 worm castings and 3-9-4 only. Week 12-17 just water to flush all top amended ferts out before harvest.

Dirtbag · Dec 9, 2020

Doesnt get much easier than Schultz 20-20-20, check beachwalkers grow using it. Pbp grow or dyna gro foliage pro are super easy to use too.

tomatoesarecooltoo · Dec 9, 2020

B0ssD0ss said:
I think I'm going to go the way of organic. Looks so much simpler and less feedings, just top amend and water. I'm over mixing ferts several times a week to feed plants.

I'm looking at worm castings, 4-4-4 slow, release, and 3-9-4 in a small amount for veg (with autos) mixed into initial soil making and then one more top amend at week 4, and then worm castings, smaller dose of 4-4-4 and a larger 3-9-4 bloom booster week 6-7, then every 2 weeks after til week 12 worm castings and 3-9-4 only. Week 12-17 just water to flush all top amended ferts out before harvest.

Just keep a bottle of liquid organics or something fast acting on the shelf just incase you get into a pinch.

B0ssD0ss · Dec 9, 2020

tomatoesarecooltoo said:
Just keep a bottle of liquid organics or something fast acting on the shelf just incase you get into a pinch.

Liquid organics?

Aparks88 · Dec 9, 2020

B0ssD0ss said:
I am currently growing in FF soil with FF trio along with Cal-mag and a few other FF additives. Seems overly complicated and looking for something a little easier to use.

I am welcoming all info and will research any products dropped on this post. Just really looking for something a little less time consuming.

I’m using foxfarm as well, love it

B0ssD0ss · Dec 9, 2020

Aparks88 said:
I’m using foxfarm as well, love it

You love mixing different amounts depending on what stage your plants in or needs? I dug it at first but am now at my 3rd grow simultaneously and need an easier way. Want an easier way. And looking like organic may be it.

tomatoesarecooltoo · Dec 9, 2020

B0ssD0ss said:
Liquid organics?

Doesn't have to be, but if you want to stay organic. I just mean I have hit an early fade with dry amendments plenty of times especially in containers, so its good to have something fast acting for emergencies.

B0ssD0ss · Dec 9, 2020

tomatoesarecooltoo said:
Doesn't have to be, but if you want to stay organic. I just mean I have hit an early fade with dry amendments plenty of times especially in containers, so its good to have something fast acting for emergencies.

I was asking about it because I have never heard about it.

tomatoesarecooltoo · Dec 9, 2020

B0ssD0ss said:
I was asking about it because I have never heard about it.

Oh got it, I meant something like this

B0ssD0ss · Dec 9, 2020

tomatoesarecooltoo said:
Oh got it, I meant something like this

Also what do you mean by early fade?

Dirtbag · Dec 9, 2020

Sounds like running Pbp grow all the way through from start to finish would suit you well. Its basically a one bottle wonder, and organic based. I can attest it works great on its own.
Floranova series works good too as a one part.
Im using and liking Earth juice but its not nearly as simple to use as something like pure blend pro..

tomatoesarecooltoo · Dec 9, 2020

B0ssD0ss said:
Also what do you mean by early fade?

I mean some deficiencies showing around week 3-5 of flower causing the leaves to fade before you want them to.

tomatoesarecooltoo · Dec 9, 2020

Dirtbag said:
Sounds like running Pbp grow all the way through from start to finish would suit you well. Its basically a one bottle wonder, and organic based. I can attest it works great on its own.
Floranova series works good too as a one part.
Im using and liking Earth juice but its not nearly as simple to use as something like pure blend pro..

More good options ^

These would also work as your backup bottle if you go the dry amendment route.

B0ssD0ss · Dec 9, 2020

tomatoesarecooltoo said:
I mean some deficiencies showing around week 3-5 of flower causing the leaves to fade before you want them to.

Got ya. So that's when instead of top amending again just adding the stuff you sent a link to?

tomatoesarecooltoo · Dec 9, 2020

B0ssD0ss said:
Got ya. So that's when instead of top amending again just adding the stuff you sent a link to?

Yeah topping again will be too slow. Dry for proactive, liquid for reactive.

Nutrients what are you using? Need advice here.

Nutrients what are you using? Need advice here.

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