Pissing Or Saving Your Piss For Your Garden, Lets Discuss.

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Found this post on another forum, was taken from another website that i cant find anymore..

Can I use My Urine as a Fertilizer?

Sure you can. In fact Sweden has tested a full scale urine ‘recycling’ program. Among their findings they have discovered that urine is a complete fertilizer for farm use, lowers the environmental impact of wastewater, improves recirculation of the 3 main nutrients, and that the hygienic risks are negligible if handled properly. Nature has been making use of urine for centuries before humans had even mastered the art of agriculture. Animal wastes contain nutrients that plants needs, and in return they provide us with nutrients we need. It is a circle that has been broken only in recent years, but before you go using your pots as a urinal you will need to be aware of how to use your urine. DO NOT PEE DIRECTLY ON OR AROUND YOUR PLANTS. You will burn them. The following will detail everything that you need to know to be successful.

Use in Soil
Pure concentrated urine will burn your plants; it must first be diluted with water. Typically a ratio of 1 part urine to 10 parts water is effective. Some have gotten away with a slightly higher ratio on unusually hungry girls. It is recommended that you do not exceed 1:10, even though a nutrient burn with urine is rare, the smell can be unpleasant, and salts will build quickly, at higher concentrations. For younger plants start with a ratio of 1:20-1:30 and work your way up. As always do not fertilize germinating seedlings. Wait until the cotyledons (little round leaves) have fallen off before beginning any fertilizer regiment. Also it is not needed every water, every other or every third is sufficient. Let your plant do the talking, if she is a nice dark green then lay off a little, use a weaker solution and lower frequency, if she is getting on the yellow side then step up the strength a bit. Note: Urine can have a high salt content, depending upon your diet. I recommend that when you water with plain water, you allow some run off (approximately 1/8-1/4 volume of your pot) and toss it, this should rid your soil of excess salts.

Use in Hydro
About 8 ounces (1cup) for every 3 gall or reservoir water has been effective (thanks foto) but you should adjust according to your conditions, plant needs, and smell issues. The nitrogen in urine (ammonia and urea) must first be consumed by bacteria as food. The bacteria then store the nitrogen in the bacterial protoplasm. As the Bacteria die, they liberate the stored nitrogen as nitrate, sort of like a time release capsule, to be taken up by the plants. In soil this is no problem but in hydro setups there may not be enough bacteria culture to breakdown the urea and ammonia. Therefore it will be a good idea to drip your Res water through a porous material that can support a bacteria culture such as lava rocks, ceramic bio filter material, foam, sponge. It is up to you; it does not need to be fancy just able to support beneficial bacteria. This step may not be required if your root mass is large enough or if you have a trickle system through a porous medium like rockwool or coco. To get a good start on your bacteria culture you can get some bio-filter booster liquid from any aquarium shop. This liquid contains "good" bacteria that will help you develop a thriving population use as directed (usually a few drops per gal.)


Nutrient Levels (approximation, will vary according to diet)
Alanine, total ..... 38 mg/day
Arginine, total ..... 32 mg/day
Ascorbic acid ..... 30 mg/day
Allantoin ..... 12 mg/day
Amino acids, total ..... 2.1 g/day
Bicarbonate ..... 140 mg/day
Biotin ..... 35 mg/day
Calcium ..... 23 mg/day
Creatinine ..... 1.4 mg/day
Cystine ..... 120 mg/day
Dopamine ..... 0.40 mg/day
Epinephrine ..... 0.01 mg/day
Folic acid ..... 4 mg/day
Glucose ..... 100 mg/day
Glutamic acid ..... 308 mg/day
Glycine ..... 455 mg/day
Inositol ..... 14 mg/day
Iodine ..... 0.25 mg/day
Iron ..... 0.5 mg/day
Lysine, total ..... 56 mg/day
Magnesium ..... 100 mg/day
Manganese ..... 0.5 mg/day
Methionine, total ..... 10 mg/day
Nitrogen, total ..... 15 g/day
Ornithine ..... 10 mg/day
Pantothenic acid ..... 3 mg/day
Phenylalanine ..... 21 mg/day
Phosphorus, organic ..... 9 mg/day
Potassium ..... 2.5 mg/day
Proteins, total ..... 5 mg/day
Riboflavin ..... 0.9 mg/day
Tryptophan, total ..... 28 mg/day
Tyrosine, total ..... 50 mg/day
Urea ..... 24.5 mg/day
Vitamin B6 ..... 100 mg/day
Vitamin B12 ..... 0.03 mg/day
Zinc ..... 1.4 mg/day

approx 2 liters is excreted /day.

Human urine is a great source of auxin, in fact one of the most potent auxins can be found in human urine; indol-3-acetic acid or IAA. Among many things auxin is known to stimulate flower growth, promote ethylene production, and stimulate root growth.

I have gone though an entire grow using urine without any deficiencies, but many feel that during flowering your phosphorus levels are too low. If you desire, a bloom fertilizer may be used in tandem during the flowering phase.
A tea made with the Russian comphry plant (3.6-1-10.6) is an excellent organic bloom fertilizer for those of us who do not wish to use chemicals at any step. Also a tea of bone meal, or bone meal in your soil mix is probably the best way to add Phosphorus.

In addition I would, and have, cut back on the amout of urine used in the flower period (both frequency and consentration). There is some evidence that Nitrogen in excess will inhibit flower growth, and increase your 12/12 time.

Your body can only absorb about 10-15% of a multivitamin/mineral pill the rest is flushed out with your urine. Taking a multivitamin/mineral about 3 hours before your urine collection can give you many vital micro nutrients.

A balanced and healthy diet means balanced and healthy urine. Keep fit and eat well and you should have nutrient rich urine and happy plants.

PH
The PH value for human urine can range anywhere from 5 and 8.5 but most often is found between 5.5 and 7.5 in healthy individuals with a balanced diet. A value of 6 is average. High protein diets can lower PH (more acidic) and Vegetarian diets raise PH values (more alkaline). Urinary infection will increase PH value. Test your PH and lower it (coffee, lemon juice, or vinegar are great organic PH downs) if any higher that 6, especially if in a hydro system, or increase your protein consumption. If the soil you are using is fairly acidic, like peat moss you will want to make sure you are not dropping it too low with acidic urine; dolomite lime can help you buffer this up, or increase your vegetable intake and lower your protein.

Pro's

It Works
Tried and true. In my (and a few others) opinion it works as good as commercial fertilizers when used properly. A side by side clone to clone test has not yet been done (to my knowledge), but there is no question that urine produces healthy, frosty, dank nugs, as good as anything out there.

Cheap
You can't beat free can you? Not likely. Weather you are growing for pleasure or profit saving money is something that I think we all desire. If you have no problem with spending the money, then go right ahead. Call it ghetto if you want, I call it natures gift, and I intend to make the best of it.

Available
It’s like fertilizer on tap. No hasty visits to the hydro/garden shop. No “I’ll have to do without for a while”. It’s always there when you need it.

Environmentally friendly
Many of us would like to preserve the earth. Well organic fertilizers are the way to go if this is part of your ethos. Chemical fertilizers are produced from petroleum products, natural gas, and coal. Minerals are made more soluble with acids. After the compounds are used by the plant the contaminants left over in the soil can become poisonous and over time can leave the land depleted and ‘dead’. Using organic fertilizers closes a cycle of life that has existed for millennia. We feed the plants and they feed us, much like the oxygen and carbon dioxide cycle.

Compost
Urine in your compost pile is probably the best way to get extra Nitrogen into your mix.

Con's

Salt content
Human urine will contain various salts. Depending on diet your urine can contain up a max of 2.2% salt, this is because the human kidney cannot concentrate salts to greater than 2.2%. On average salt content will be about 30g/L Total dissolved solids constitute about 5% of urine volume. As previously stated it will be to your benefit to allow some run off when watering and toss it, this will rid your soil of excess salts.

Infections and parasites
Hygienic risks are negligible, unless the urine comes in contact with pathogens after leaving the body. The urine of a healthy person is sterile in the bladder. If you have a urinary tract, or kidney infection your urine will contain bacteria that can infect others. It is quite impossible for the infection to be passed through the plant, bud or smoke. If you are sick the majority of pathogens that can transmit disease will die within 24 hours of leaving the body. Infections will increase both your salt content and PH values, and can contain bacteria that consume nitrates.

Imprecise
Urine fertilizing is not an exact science. Exact nutrient levels and concentrations cannot be accurately established without the proper equipment. Notwithstanding some trial and error is necessary in every fertilizer regiment. Certain strains can have differing tolerances, different growing conditions and methods vary in their ability to deliver nutrients reliably.
If I didn't live with my plants maybe. But ain't no way I'm putting piss in my res.
 
LittleDabbie

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With proper dilution ratios the smell really isn't that bad.. When you stand over your toilet your smelling a concentrated amount of piss, But when you add say 500ml's to a gallon of water the smell is almost gone..

Ive been dumping liters of piss everyday on the garden side thats been harvested already so any hot composting that may happen can do so over fall/winter/spring.. But the smell isn't noticeable and its been in the 90s last cpl days.. I don't smell shit out there..As mentioned in the last post i made the bacteria / microbes whatever eat up the smelly ammonia converting it to a slow release nitrogen source, as long as your bacterial count is high enough the smell shouldn't be an issue at all :D
 
Midwestjay

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All jokes aside I do like the idea and would try it. Just skeptical I guess. I mean if I didn't have to buy nutes it would be the shit lol. Then again, ain't none to it but to do it....
 
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smells pissy this one
 
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I have used pee for years. Not much anymore, but when I gorilla grew it was the norm. Outdoors a full size plant can take it straight from the bladder, lol.
But something to keep in mind if you decide to use your urine. Any type of prescription drugs illicit drugs or medications like antibiotics can and will be absorbed by the plant.
Also antibiotics in your urine have the real possibility of damaging the beneficial bacteria in your grow medium.
 
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fortunately i rarely take any pharmaceuticals. i still have 2/3rds of the scrip i got when i had a root canal several months ago. acetaminophen once or twice a month on average, depending on activity level.

i'm thinking if i add pee to an act i'm gonna want to keep it near filtration or put it out side.
 
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Any type of prescription drugs illicit drugs or medications like antibiotics can and will be absorbed by the plant.
Oh, shit. My piss is FULL of THC. D'oh! I take a PPI and therapeutic levels of hormones.

Are you sure about the antibiotics? Wouldn't they be processed to one degree or another by the liver?
fortunately i rarely take any pharmaceuticals. i still have 2/3rds of the scrip i got when i had a root canal several months ago. acetaminophen once or twice a month on average, depending on activity level.

i'm thinking if i add pee to an act i'm gonna want to keep it near filtration or put it out side.
I wouldn't add it to an ACT, the aeration will encourage the ammonia to become airborne, and you're then just releasing all that N back into the air. Add it immediately prior to using, or use it separately.

Also a note about dilution: Because of my kidney stones I have to drink a lot of water daily. This means my urine is *very* dilute, too dilute to be diluted if I want to use it *as* a fertilizer. So if you're like me and drink a lot daily and so your urine is dilute, your dilution ratios will be a lot less. If yours is very concentrated, then I'd go with the 10:1 to start. And drink more water!
 
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Oh, shit. My piss is FULL of THC. D'oh! I take a PPI and therapeutic levels of hormones.

Are you sure about the antibiotics? Wouldn't they be processed to one degree or another by the liver?

I wouldn't add it to an ACT, the aeration will encourage the ammonia to become airborne, and you're then just releasing all that N back into the air. Add it immediately prior to using, or use it separately.

Also a note about dilution: Because of my kidney stones I have to drink a lot of water daily. This means my urine is *very* dilute, too dilute to be diluted if I want to use it *as* a fertilizer. So if you're like me and drink a lot daily and so your urine is dilute, your dilution ratios will be a lot less. If yours is very concentrated, then I'd go with the 10:1 to start. And drink more water!
My dad just had one removed with a splint...lol said it was the most painful week of his life going per after that. Would rather deal with the pain of passing it naturally
 
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yeah it works,my piss had to be cut with water alot.if i recall it was about 1/3 cup to a gallon to bring it down to 600ppm which is what i mostly used on this rpk full cycle.i did hit this plant with 0-9-14 hh once @ week 5 and once @ week 6 then tapered off the six piss to nothing
Rpk urea
Rpk urea 2


finished six piss cola
Rpk1



finished chemical nute cola same cut
Rpk2 23
 
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i surpose that if you are worried about the organic pee messing you tank up, or any orgainc you add to the tank
you could just add some bleach :)
 
rmoltis

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This thread is a joke, rite, you guys are just fucking with me rite. Because I ain't pissin on my plants. This is weird.lol

In nature animals piss and shit all over the place feeding the soil that the plants live in.

We are also animals who pissed and shat all over the place when we were part of nature.

This is a real discussion on whether not anyone has been willing to try it. Or if it is worth it in any aspect.

I think it makes sense to use.
But I wouldn't like smelling my piss filled nutes being aerated in the house. I can't do it outside either.
 
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