Pissing Or Saving Your Piss For Your Garden, Lets Discuss.

[GrowGod]

I actually really liked that movie. Science and funny with some nice drama. I was surprised how much I liked it. And mind instantly went to weed lol.

Actually me too! Imagine being the first yo grow the green on mars:D Then I imagine the ego I would have when I got back !

 

[Toaster79]

Actually me too! Imagine being the first yo grow the green on mars:D Then I imagine the ego I would have when I got back !

Yea, I took a shit on mars and the plants loved it. :cry::cry::cry:

 

[GrowGod]

Yea, I took a shit on mars and the plants loved it. :cry::cry::cry:

How does that saying go.. Churn that cream into butter ... :D

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composting_toilet

 

[Major CBD]

So who all does it? I know @Seamaiden does ;) strange gurl that one eh ;) *Jokes*

Simple aquaponics my friend. Piss has ammonia. Bacteria breaks it down into nitrates. Plant has fertilizer.

I will say I've seen this done and the farm results where pretty nice. Can't say whether or not piss had anything to do with it but the flower was fired.

Personally, I used to collect my piss in a gallon jug and dumped it around my outdoor plants. Zero animal problems.

Ok seriously tho who else is mining this golden fountain of fertilizer?

What all nutrients does it provide the soil? Are they slow release? What benefits do you feel pissing or adding the piss to your garden has had?

Is piss a good source for nitrogen?

How much piss is too much piss?

Does it HAVE to be diluted to add to a growing bed, Or can you just piss on the plants and call it a day?

More questions as i think of them ;)

 

[ArcticOrange]

I dont have time to read through the whole thread but id like to comment that people operating aquaponics systems talk about using urine for jump starting the nitrogen cycle in the system.

 

[chickenman]

I have used pee for years. Not much anymore, but when I gorilla grew it was the norm. Outdoors a full size plant can take it straight from the bladder, lol.
But something to keep in mind if you decide to use your urine. Any type of prescription drugs illicit drugs or medications like antibiotics can and will be absorbed by the plant.
Also antibiotics in your urine have the real possibility of damaging the beneficial bacteria in your grow medium.

Sounds like hippie shit...How could those wonderful drugs cause harm?????

 

[Seamaiden]

I was very surprised with The Martian, I enjoyed it HUGELY.

If this is seriously a serious discussion it shouldn't have been started with the word piss, should have been urine. I'm sorry but the hole idea of it is beyond belief and I can't stop laughing at the thought of someone pissing on there plants. There's better ways of feeding your plants. Maybe go one step forward why not shit in your pot before you fill it with soil, Then start pissing on it huh. Lol

That's not how we do it, and you've been deeply aculturated, that's why the idea is blowing your mind. :)

I'm sure men can do differently, but I pee into a cup or a bucket, and go from there. I don't just pee *on* the plants. I can change the thread title if it helps.

If it didn't have a smell issue is be trying it now. How can their be better ways than free...

If you don't store the urine there won't be smell. The smell occurs when the ammonia present begins to evaporate into the air (Oh, look daddy! There's all that nitrogen, offgassing into the air!). If you need to store it, a covered container works well.

What all nutrients does it provide the soil? Are they slow release? What benefits do you feel pissing or adding the piss to your garden has had?

Is piss a good source for nitrogen?

How much piss is too much piss?

Does it HAVE to be diluted to add to a growing bed, Or can you just piss on the plants and call it a day?

More questions as i think of them ;)

Yes, it's an excellent source of N. How much is too much? Enough to burn. The answer really depends on the quality of your urine. If you're like me and drink a lot of water daily and thus your urine is very dilute, you're going to probably have a hard time overdoing it. If yours is highly concentrated then it should be diluted, starting at around 5:1 (I know, many if not most suggest 10:1 but I've never been able to actually *feed* a hungry plant diluting at that ratio, even using other people's urine).

Never urinate directly on the plants. Urinate into a container and then use. I use it in my aquaponics system, but it's a 1,500gal system so I can't even come close to producing too much. Even when we were getting 'donations' from the neighbors we couldn't get the NH3 levels up.

 

[GrowGod]

I was very surprised with The Martian, I enjoyed it HUGELY.

That's not how we do it, and you've been deeply aculturated, that's why the idea is blowing your mind. :)

I'm sure men can do differently, but I pee into a cup or a bucket, and go from there. I don't just pee *on* the plants. I can change the thread title if it helps.

If you don't store the urine there won't be smell. The smell occurs when the ammonia present begins to evaporate into the air (Oh, look daddy! There's all that nitrogen, offgassing into the air!). If you need to store it, a covered container works well.

Yes, it's an excellent source of N. How much is too much? Enough to burn. The answer really depends on the quality of your urine. If you're like me and drink a lot of water daily and thus your urine is very dilute, you're going to probably have a hard time overdoing it. If yours is highly concentrated then it should be diluted, starting at around 5:1 (I know, many if not most suggest 10:1 but I've never been able to actually *feed* a hungry plant diluting at that ratio, even using other people's urine).

Never urinate directly on the plants. Urinate into a container and then use. I use it in my aquaponics system, but it's a 1,500gal system so I can't even come close to producing too much. Even when we were getting 'donations' from the neighbors we couldn't get the NH3 levels up.

The Martian! Yas!!!!!
And I big shout out to little dabs for such an awesome thread

 

[jumpincactus]

Found this post on another forum, was taken from another website that i cant find anymore..

Can I use My Urine as a Fertilizer?

Sure you can. In fact Sweden has tested a full scale urine ‘recycling’ program. Among their findings they have discovered that urine is a complete fertilizer for farm use, lowers the environmental impact of wastewater, improves recirculation of the 3 main nutrients, and that the hygienic risks are negligible if handled properly. Nature has been making use of urine for centuries before humans had even mastered the art of agriculture. Animal wastes contain nutrients that plants needs, and in return they provide us with nutrients we need. It is a circle that has been broken only in recent years, but before you go using your pots as a urinal you will need to be aware of how to use your urine. DO NOT PEE DIRECTLY ON OR AROUND YOUR PLANTS. You will burn them. The following will detail everything that you need to know to be successful.

Use in Soil
Pure concentrated urine will burn your plants; it must first be diluted with water. Typically a ratio of 1 part urine to 10 parts water is effective. Some have gotten away with a slightly higher ratio on unusually hungry girls. It is recommended that you do not exceed 1:10, even though a nutrient burn with urine is rare, the smell can be unpleasant, and salts will build quickly, at higher concentrations. For younger plants start with a ratio of 1:20-1:30 and work your way up. As always do not fertilize germinating seedlings. Wait until the cotyledons (little round leaves) have fallen off before beginning any fertilizer regiment. Also it is not needed every water, every other or every third is sufficient. Let your plant do the talking, if she is a nice dark green then lay off a little, use a weaker solution and lower frequency, if she is getting on the yellow side then step up the strength a bit. Note: Urine can have a high salt content, depending upon your diet. I recommend that when you water with plain water, you allow some run off (approximately 1/8-1/4 volume of your pot) and toss it, this should rid your soil of excess salts.

Use in Hydro
About 8 ounces (1cup) for every 3 gall or reservoir water has been effective (thanks foto) but you should adjust according to your conditions, plant needs, and smell issues. The nitrogen in urine (ammonia and urea) must first be consumed by bacteria as food. The bacteria then store the nitrogen in the bacterial protoplasm. As the Bacteria die, they liberate the stored nitrogen as nitrate, sort of like a time release capsule, to be taken up by the plants. In soil this is no problem but in hydro setups there may not be enough bacteria culture to breakdown the urea and ammonia. Therefore it will be a good idea to drip your Res water through a porous material that can support a bacteria culture such as lava rocks, ceramic bio filter material, foam, sponge. It is up to you; it does not need to be fancy just able to support beneficial bacteria. This step may not be required if your root mass is large enough or if you have a trickle system through a porous medium like rockwool or coco. To get a good start on your bacteria culture you can get some bio-filter booster liquid from any aquarium shop. This liquid contains "good" bacteria that will help you develop a thriving population use as directed (usually a few drops per gal.)


Nutrient Levels (approximation, will vary according to diet)
Alanine, total ..... 38 mg/day
Arginine, total ..... 32 mg/day
Ascorbic acid ..... 30 mg/day
Allantoin ..... 12 mg/day
Amino acids, total ..... 2.1 g/day
Bicarbonate ..... 140 mg/day
Biotin ..... 35 mg/day
Calcium ..... 23 mg/day
Creatinine ..... 1.4 mg/day
Cystine ..... 120 mg/day
Dopamine ..... 0.40 mg/day
Epinephrine ..... 0.01 mg/day
Folic acid ..... 4 mg/day
Glucose ..... 100 mg/day
Glutamic acid ..... 308 mg/day
Glycine ..... 455 mg/day
Inositol ..... 14 mg/day
Iodine ..... 0.25 mg/day
Iron ..... 0.5 mg/day
Lysine, total ..... 56 mg/day
Magnesium ..... 100 mg/day
Manganese ..... 0.5 mg/day
Methionine, total ..... 10 mg/day
Nitrogen, total ..... 15 g/day
Ornithine ..... 10 mg/day
Pantothenic acid ..... 3 mg/day
Phenylalanine ..... 21 mg/day
Phosphorus, organic ..... 9 mg/day
Potassium ..... 2.5 mg/day
Proteins, total ..... 5 mg/day
Riboflavin ..... 0.9 mg/day
Tryptophan, total ..... 28 mg/day
Tyrosine, total ..... 50 mg/day
Urea ..... 24.5 mg/day
Vitamin B6 ..... 100 mg/day
Vitamin B12 ..... 0.03 mg/day
Zinc ..... 1.4 mg/day

approx 2 liters is excreted /day.

Human urine is a great source of auxin, in fact one of the most potent auxins can be found in human urine; indol-3-acetic acid or IAA. Among many things auxin is known to stimulate flower growth, promote ethylene production, and stimulate root growth.

I have gone though an entire grow using urine without any deficiencies, but many feel that during flowering your phosphorus levels are too low. If you desire, a bloom fertilizer may be used in tandem during the flowering phase.
A tea made with the Russian comphry plant (3.6-1-10.6) is an excellent organic bloom fertilizer for those of us who do not wish to use chemicals at any step. Also a tea of bone meal, or bone meal in your soil mix is probably the best way to add Phosphorus.

In addition I would, and have, cut back on the amout of urine used in the flower period (both frequency and consentration). There is some evidence that Nitrogen in excess will inhibit flower growth, and increase your 12/12 time.

Your body can only absorb about 10-15% of a multivitamin/mineral pill the rest is flushed out with your urine. Taking a multivitamin/mineral about 3 hours before your urine collection can give you many vital micro nutrients.

A balanced and healthy diet means balanced and healthy urine. Keep fit and eat well and you should have nutrient rich urine and happy plants.

PH
The PH value for human urine can range anywhere from 5 and 8.5 but most often is found between 5.5 and 7.5 in healthy individuals with a balanced diet. A value of 6 is average. High protein diets can lower PH (more acidic) and Vegetarian diets raise PH values (more alkaline). Urinary infection will increase PH value. Test your PH and lower it (coffee, lemon juice, or vinegar are great organic PH downs) if any higher that 6, especially if in a hydro system, or increase your protein consumption. If the soil you are using is fairly acidic, like peat moss you will want to make sure you are not dropping it too low with acidic urine; dolomite lime can help you buffer this up, or increase your vegetable intake and lower your protein.

Pro's

It Works
Tried and true. In my (and a few others) opinion it works as good as commercial fertilizers when used properly. A side by side clone to clone test has not yet been done (to my knowledge), but there is no question that urine produces healthy, frosty, dank nugs, as good as anything out there.

Cheap
You can't beat free can you? Not likely. Weather you are growing for pleasure or profit saving money is something that I think we all desire. If you have no problem with spending the money, then go right ahead. Call it ghetto if you want, I call it natures gift, and I intend to make the best of it.

Available
It’s like fertilizer on tap. No hasty visits to the hydro/garden shop. No “I’ll have to do without for a while”. It’s always there when you need it.

Environmentally friendly
Many of us would like to preserve the earth. Well organic fertilizers are the way to go if this is part of your ethos. Chemical fertilizers are produced from petroleum products, natural gas, and coal. Minerals are made more soluble with acids. After the compounds are used by the plant the contaminants left over in the soil can become poisonous and over time can leave the land depleted and ‘dead’. Using organic fertilizers closes a cycle of life that has existed for millennia. We feed the plants and they feed us, much like the oxygen and carbon dioxide cycle.

Compost
Urine in your compost pile is probably the best way to get extra Nitrogen into your mix.

Con's

Salt content
Human urine will contain various salts. Depending on diet your urine can contain up a max of 2.2% salt, this is because the human kidney cannot concentrate salts to greater than 2.2%. On average salt content will be about 30g/L Total dissolved solids constitute about 5% of urine volume. As previously stated it will be to your benefit to allow some run off when watering and toss it, this will rid your soil of excess salts.

Infections and parasites
Hygienic risks are negligible, unless the urine comes in contact with pathogens after leaving the body. The urine of a healthy person is sterile in the bladder. If you have a urinary tract, or kidney infection your urine will contain bacteria that can infect others. It is quite impossible for the infection to be passed through the plant, bud or smoke. If you are sick the majority of pathogens that can transmit disease will die within 24 hours of leaving the body. Infections will increase both your salt content and PH values, and can contain bacteria that consume nitrates.

Imprecise
Urine fertilizing is not an exact science. Exact nutrient levels and concentrations cannot be accurately established without the proper equipment. Notwithstanding some trial and error is necessary in every fertilizer regiment. Certain strains can have differing tolerances, different growing conditions and methods vary in their ability to deliver nutrients reliably.

Most excellent post bro. Ive been pissing in my compost pile and garden for years. Much detailed data on this use of human urine. Most peeps cant wrap their head around it due to the ick factor. But it definitely worx!!!

PS remember to dilute at least 10:1 as pissing directly in your garden can and will burn roots and leaves.

Qualifier when I said pissing in my garden and compost pile I meant after diluting it 10:1 sorry guyz

 

[jumpincactus]

Here is another great link in support of human urine.

Can Human Urine Replace Chemical Fertilizers?

http://modernfarmer.com/2014/01/human-pee-proven-fertilizer-future/

 

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@Seamaiden would be nice to see some pics of you aquaponics and the tanks

 

[Major CBD]

@Seamaiden would be nice to see some pics of you aquaponics and the tanks

USDA publications writer, UAE investor, and yours truly. Urban aquaponics.

 

[Seamaiden]

I haven't harvested any fish (yet!), love that @Major CBD !!!

@ink -- we've been winding the system down in preparation for our move, so no plants growing right now, just the fish and crawdaddies being maintained. I made a video of the system when it was getting into full swing last June (2015) though. I *tried* to get the cycle going using my own urine, but I absolutely could NOT get the NH3 levels up, and nothing's gonna happen til you do. I even had the neighbors contributing. Nada. Had to toss in the fish.

 

[dreamofgreen]

acculturated is a funny word, think it would be as catchy if the borg had said 'resistance is futile, you will be acculturated' ?
phew i've got a perma grin f'n high going on this morning from some lemon lemon lemony haze grown from bag seed buds i traded with a friend for yesterday. giving myself an extra hour before i drive i'm that damn high. i usually only have to do that on edibles. i hope he took cuts, and really hope i can get a clone!
piss in peace.

 

[outnin]

Human urine is a sterile high nitrogen human waste product I have used it before with great reasuls.
here are some guidelines for safe usage and no pissy smell
1, human urine has a LOT of available nitrogen enough so that just pissing on many plants will poison them.
2, urine that has been allowed to sit will quickly ammoniate and thats not good for gardens, ALWAYS use fresh piss.
mix 1/2 cup piss to 1 gallon of water and water with it but only as needed let the plant use up the nitrogen and let the soil herd take care of the urea smell and prevent ammonification.
used wisely and sparingly oup wet golden love can indeed help our kids grow strong.

My personal choice is to use worm poop bat poop and bird poop with a little liquified bone meal.

 

[LittleDabbie]

Thanks everyone for sharing so far I'm glad to see others share the same ideas :D

@Seamaiden thats one kewl looking setup I look forward to maybe seeing new pics when you get re-established :D

I will def. Agree worm castings are a MUST the microbes attack an eat the ammonia converting it to ammonia nitrate and thats something plants crave :p

For me im going a slightly different route and i'm dumping gallons onto new beds im starting with just peat moss perlite and worm castings oh and dead leaves! Going to let all that compost an allow the microbes to do there thing converting.

No more bagged compost next year I'll be able to compare 1 bed thats had alot of compost put into it, vs another bed thats had NO compost and Just urine for prolly 4-5 months.

Funny you mention bird shit i went to check on my tomatoers this morning and twice now ive caught a bird inside my fence area, this last time i went out he was kind enough to make a deposit on my plant :\

Fucking birds.. I Need a cat ;)

 

[outnin]

H ave done that as well It will kill everything for a while then rebalance. I would then add coco coir to give it more biomass and aeration.

 

[Major CBD]

Human urine is a sterile high nitrogen human waste product I have used it before with great reasuls.
here are some guidelines for safe usage and no pissy smell
1, human urine has a LOT of available nitrogen enough so that just pissing on many plants will poison them.
2, urine that has been allowed to sit will quickly ammoniate and thats not good for gardens, ALWAYS use fresh piss.
mix 1/2 cup piss to 1 gallon of water and water with it but only as needed let the plant use up the nitrogen and let the soil herd take care of the urea smell and prevent ammonification.
used wisely and sparingly oup wet golden love can indeed help our kids grow strong.

My personal choice is to use worm poop bat poop and bird poop with a little liquified bone meal.
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I feel like I've seen this picture before.

 

[Purpletrain]

If i am out side working on the garden , and have to piss i usually piss in my compost bin