Please tell me all is not lost...

[Aqua Man]

I got my liquid calcium today! Any reason to give it to a plant this late in flower? Wouldn’t have time to absorb and do any good would it?

No you don't wanna give em calcium close to harvest.

 

[FourthCity]

so by your logic...with all the screw ups...I should give it as long as I can huh? I know I’ve got about a two week peak window...so even 11 weeks on this hybrid could be very reasonable huh?

Not so much logic, more of an imaginary notion I've applied to growing that may have some correlations to reality. I would look at your situation like chopping means you beat the game and the results of the end product reflect what kind of ending you get. To rewrap my my earlier suggestion in this idea, chopping now would get you a decent ending but continuing to grow the plant risks a worse ending or even a game over. It looks like you have been lucky and the situation does not appear to have deteriorated. Based on your observations, what percentage of weight and thc did you see added during that time?

 

[Beachwalker]

Not so much logic, more of an imaginary notion I've applied to growing that may have some correlations to reality. I would look at your situation like chopping means you beat the game and the results of the end product reflect what kind of ending you get. To rewrap my my earlier suggestion in this idea, chopping now would get you a decent ending but continuing to grow the plant risks a worse ending or even a game over. It looks like you have been lucky and the situation does not appear to have deteriorated. Based on your observations, what percentage of weight and thc did you see added during that time?

Agree, with 30% amber I would have chopped already

 

[Dan789]

Agree, with 30% amber I would have chopped already

I recall on post #45 that it was 30% milky...do also think the plants don’t look as fucked when shots are taken under white light (flash), this yellow makes them look done in...there’s hardly any fade visible.

 

[Aqua Man]

I recall on post #45 that it was 30% milky...do also think the plants don’t look as fucked when shots are taken under white light (flash), this yellow makes them look done in...

I agree at 30% milky I'm letting them go longer . I don't think they look like they are in dire straights. Still a fair bit of green there they can use up.

 

[Dan789]

The one question that has me wondering is what type of air movement is present, know it’s at the end, but haven’t heard or seen any comments about air movement/circulation. That’s the first defense to keeping PM and bud rot at bay. imho. Also any reference to RH? What are the conditions there?

 

[Seraphine]

I always wanted to experiment with ethylene... Maybe one day I will have enough space and plants to see the effects. I know ethylene speeds up ripening. Now what I don't know is what are the negative effects when doing so with cannabis. Can you ripen trichs to reach the milky high thca that we desire? Does it have any effect on thca content in doing so? I may just snip a low unripe bud next time and stick in in a paper bag with a rule banana to test... Think it may be beneficial to know in circumstances like this.

Here’s what I know about ethylene. Only certain plants are susceptible to the effects of ethylene, can be good or bad depending on crop.. for example tomatoes. They are picked mature but not ripe (green in color) and are then exposed to ethylene once at their destination to turn red so they can be sold in stores. Ethylene is only effective at speeding maturation if the fruit is already mature. So tAking a small immature tomato and exposing it to ethylene won’t ripen it. Now in the cut flower industry, ethylene is enemy #1 and will make blooms wilt and die very quickly. Taking an immature cannabis bud and exposing it to ethylene won’t do anything. It would have to be a mature bud but not quite “ripe” yet for any test to be successful.

 

[Aqua Man]

Here’s what I know about ethylene. Only certain plants are susceptible to the effects of ethylene, can be good or bad depending on crop.. for example tomatoes. They are picked mature but not ripe (green in color) and are then exposed to ethylene once at their destination to turn red so they can be sold in stores. Ethylene is only effective at speeding maturation if the fruit is already mature. So tAking a small immature tomato and exposing it to ethylene won’t ripen it. Now in the cut flower industry, ethylene is enemy #1 and will make blooms wilt and die very quickly. Taking an immature cannabis bud and exposing it to ethylene won’t do anything. It would have to be a mature bud but not quite “ripe” yet for any test to be successful.

Thanks for the info... So ripening bottom buds? Not that I actually want to do this as a practice it's more of a curious thing.

 

[Monster762]

From what i see they are ok. Early on it looked almost as if water dropped on em n caused burn. Dont feed nothing let it feed on itself. I like to strip em down like that at finish. Flush is debated but i believe in flush. You dont want 30% amber trichs. Look for opaque cloudy trichs when you start seeing amber and /or collapsed heads chop. Pushing too far into amber can ruin bud if you want thc levels. But long as you are 100 no mold id just finish em n trim those spots out. Cause burned n bleached they wont be much. But everything around them is good. Dont chuck colas for tiny burn spots.

Day 60 of flowering. She’s ROUGH. Hardly any leaves left and most are all yellow. Watered her a little extra a few days ago. Will again water extra heavy tomorrow to make sure she’s pretty well flushed.

Took a few samples and quick dried it. Not that great...but it was a low down airy uncured bud. Hoping the big colas are denser closer to the tops.

I did want to say though that I’ve rigged up a nice system to use my 30x/40x/60x magnifier. I taped it to a microphone stand and adjust it over the top of the sample. I even managed to snap a few nice clear pics with my phone by carefully focusing it above the magnifier. It’s looking 50/50 clear/milky I’d say. It’s close. Pistils are drying up and withdrawing. Either way I’m chopping it in 3-5 days.

ok top pics here are opaqye could go a lil but not much longer i say. Lower pocs are glassy. Notice how tge top pics dont have that glittery shine. Thats opaque. Your in the window i would say 1week for high thc levels. Past that youll start losing and gaining other cannibinoids. Non psycoactive ones.

 

[Monster762]

From what i see they are ok. Early on it looked almost as if water dropped on em n caused burn. Dont feed nothing let it feed on itself. I like to strip em down like that at finish. Flush is debated but i believe in flush. You dont want 30% amber trichs. Look for opaque cloudy trichs when you start seeing amber and /or collapsed heads chop. Pushing too far into amber can ruin bud if you want thc levels. But long as you are 100 no mold id just finish em n trim those spots out. Cause burned n bleached they wont be much. But everything around them is good. Dont chuck colas for tiny burn spots.

ok top pics here are opaqye could go a lil but not much longer i say. Lower pocs are glassy. Notice how tge top pics dont have that glittery shine. Thats opaque. Your in the window i would say 1week for high thc levels. Past that youll start losing and gaining other cannibinoids. Non psycoactive ones.

My opinion. Im no pro we all learn new things every day. Happy thanksgiving all be safe.

 

[Cdub97]

Gosh a lot to respond to here. Can’t remember what all. Relative humidity varies but usually is around 55-65%. Sometimes a little lower and I’ve seen it as high as 72% I’d guess. Got good airflow with a. big box fan on low.

How much added thc or weight have I observed in the time since deciding to keep going? Gosh it’s hard to say but I’ve observed quite a few spots that seem to have plumped and expanded. Not fox tails but stacking and building in healthy thick manner. Still quite a few white pistils but I know they’ll always be some well past peak window. I’d estimate totally subjectively at maybe 10-15% more weight. Resin? Who knows. It was so frosty before I can’t tell if there’s more. It’s really frosty.

SHIT on the calcium. I gave it a little. I watered all my plants in flower today with the recommended concentration of 1 teaspoon per gallon. So it probably got a teaspoon. Remember....15 gallon pot...won’t mean much surely. I also gave it some Sucanat and a low concentration of grow big micro. Today is day 61. I’m gonna go to 70. Nothing but clear water till the end now.

It’s barely got any green. Guess there won’t be much of a trim job other than sugar leaves lol!

 

[Cdub97]

I just took a BUNCH of pictures under a led flashlight. Look away! The horror!

Anyhow, what I realized after doing so is I can BARELY FIND those burn spots anymore. New growth has pretty much swallowed them up.

I think I’ve been hovering over and looking at this plant so damn much all the bud development is hard to notice sometimes.

 

[Cdub97]

Here’s a few more I took under the 315 ceramic metal halide alone. Turned off the hps lamps. Looks awful in these...

 

[Seraphine]

Thanks for the info... So ripening bottom buds? Not that I actually want to do this as a practice it's more of a curious thing.

It would be interesting to see if it works. I know a synthetic form is ethylene is made, I forget what it’s called though and it’s probably not easy to get. fruit ripening like you said emits ethylene (not sure if one over ripe banana would give off enough ethylene) and exhaust from cars & farm equipment give off ethylene.

 

[Monster762]

On Pic 3 here. How long you had that plant? That things a beast if im seeing the branches right.

Here’s a few more I took under the 315 ceramic metal halide alone. Turned off the hps lamps. Looks awful in these...

 

[A.Swift]

Here’s a few more I took under the 315 ceramic metal halide alone. Turned off the hps lamps. Looks awful in these...

you have bugs man looks like root aphids, if not i would test your run off because the foxtailing hermyish looks like over nitrogen to me.

 

[Cdub97]

you have bugs man looks like root aphids, if not i would test your run off because the foxtailing hermyish looks like over nitrogen to me.

I promise I do not have anything of the sort. Zero pest problems. Everything I did wrong was feedings over and subsequently under. It didn’t help that I believe this soil was hot begin with. It was that miracle grow organics soil in the black bag. I thought it wasn’t hot because they labeled it organic but apparently I was wrong and the Fox Farms stuff just cooked the shit out of it...eventually...it took a while to build up in that huge 15 gallon pot. You know to be honest I’m not sure if this is a 15 gallon at all. It might be a 30. I know it held 5 cubic feet of dirt. I can barely lift it dry and I cannot move it soaked.

Someone asked how long I’ve had it...it is a beast...I’ve been growing this plant since the first week of July from seed.

 

[A.Swift]

I promise I do not have anything of the sort. Zero pest problems. Everything I did wrong was feedings over and subsequently under. It didn’t help that I believe this soil was hot begin with. It was that miracle grow organics soil in the black bag. I thought it wasn’t hot because they labeled it organic but apparently I was wrong and the Fox Farms stuff just cooked the shit out of it...eventually...it took a while to build up in that huge 15 gallon pot. You know to be honest I’m not sure if this is a 15 gallon at all. It might be a 30. I know it held 5 cubic feet of dirt. I can barely lift it dry and I cannot move it soaked.

Someone asked how long I’ve had it...it is a beast...I’ve been growing this plant since the first week of July from seed.

understood, looks like you are very well ontop of it sir. Hats off to you, ive come to a place now where I would much rather start with an inert base and amend it myself to avoid this. Roots organics terp tea line is also an easy solution to this as well.

 

[Cdub97]

Closing in on day 65. I watered it with 5 whole gallons yesterday. As soon as it dries out I’m chopping it. Probably about day 67. It’s a crispy critter but tons of resin.

p.s. the animal hairs are my secret ingredient

 

[Cdub97]

It is done! I’ve probably got 5-10% or better amber trichomes now! Very little clear ones. Yes I think tomorrow or Wednesday is definitely chopping time.