Round 2 - This time with Trustfall Genetics

[0ttomanfarmer]

Thx for all the advices. I do open the little holes on the top of the dome. Humidity was near to 90% most of the time. Trying to stay at 80% humidity now. I still cant maintain a good environment obvsly. Fed again with clonex Mist. No roots yet :/

This family pic is before watering. You can see they are thirsty. They all drinked the amount i gave them last time, plus some extra what is still in the pot from overwatering. Atm it is 200ml-400ml per plant, every 2nd day. All with FishMix, SeaWeed, AlfaBoost and CalMag. Weighing every pot to see what is happening.
I didnt top the last 4 because they are still to small in height.

The one curled still looking weird. I dont know what this plant has. She has the same soil like the others and gets the same food. @Trustfall What do you think this plant has? Could it be a genetic problem or more a problem on my side?
White Runtz x Mad Martigan #1

This plant has an extra finger in the middle on the leaves, looking funny :D
Pure Michigan x Cindarella Man #3

 

[GreenGalaxyFarm]

also got the extra little finger popping out over my 9blade fan on one
she's my stockiest one

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

also got the extra little finger popping out over my 9blade fan on one
she's my stockiest one

Yeah this is one also very bushy and short. Still couldnt top her, but soon its her turn :)

 

[Trustfall]

Thx for all the advices. I do open the little holes on the top of the dome. Humidity was near to 90% most of the time. Trying to stay at 80% humidity now. I still cant maintain a good environment obvsly. Fed again with clonex Mist. No roots yet :/

This family pic is before watering. You can see they are thirsty. They all drinked the amount i gave them last time, plus some extra what is still in the pot from overwatering. Atm it is 200ml-400ml per plant, every 2nd day. All with FishMix, SeaWeed, AlfaBoost and CalMag. Weighing every pot to see what is happening.
I didnt top the last 4 because they are still to small in height.
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The one curled still looking weird. I dont know what this plant has. She has the same soil like the others and gets the same food. @Trustfall What do you think this plant has? Could it be a genetic problem or more a problem on my side?
White Runtz x Mad Martigan #1
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This plant has an extra finger in the middle on the leaves, looking funny :D
Pure Michigan x Cindarella Man #3
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Hey bud plants look great! The one wrinkly gal was she cold at any point? I’ve had this happen with clones before but usually it’s more than just 1 plant so that’s a little odd.
When I see something like that I try to turn up the heat to get them to grow out of it.
I never figured out why they did that though. It’s happened multiple times over many years.

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Hey bud plants look great! The one wrinkly gal was she cold at any point? I’ve had this happen with clones before but usually it’s more than just 1 plant so that’s a little odd.
When I see something like that I try to turn up the heat to get them to grow out of it.
I never figured out why they did that though. It’s happened multiple times over many years.

Nah temps were fine. She was wrinkly since the beginning. Ok, now i know its nothing with my environment. Thank you.

Here a little update on the plants. Still no roots on the clones. More bended. I topped the last 4 today. Now i have 14 clones. Lets see what happens. Plants looking fine, some are still a bit small and bushy. Branching on some is really nice as i mentioned before. Today i watered again. All plants did drink the amount i gave them and some extra from the overwatering a week before. They all got between 200-400ml, depending on weight. One got even 500. It is going in the right direction with the correct amount of water.
Here some pics...

Family shots. All(-1) topped.
34days from sprouting in Jiffy´s

 

[LegalizeNorway]

Are those 2-3 gallon pots in a 4x4?

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Are those 2-3 gallon pots in a 4x4?

Grow Tent 1,50 x 1,50 x 2,00

9l Air Pots

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Tadaaaaa
First plants showing roots :)
3 for now

I potted them in 1l pots with BioBizz Light Mix. All three where from the first batch one week ago. The cuts dont look fresh anymore. Hope more will follow now. Humi around 80%, heat mat at 23°C, lights 25%, temperature around 24°C. They seem to like it more then before.

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Hey guys. Here an update on the plants. The clones dont look good anymore. Today i transplanted another White Runtz who showed roots.
The first 4 rooted are looking better now, i think they will make it. The one in the front was transplanted today.

The big ones are developing good. They stretched a bit and the water amount is slowly rising. I think i will flip them this week. Crazy thing is that some plants are still drinking only 200ml every two days. Best ones drink 450ml. More then double. I am still weighing every pot to check values. Here a pic. 41days from seed

Two plants showing a problem on some leaves. I am not sure but for me it looks like a Nitrogen deficency on one plant. Several plants have yellow leaves, the lowest small ones. I give them the recommended values of FishMix, Seaweed, AlfaBoost and Calmag. The last EC values were between 1.2 and 1.6 for the last 12 days. pH always at 6.2. Before that i only used half dose for like 2 weeks.
Here the pics of the first plant where i think its N deficency. All tips yellowing, bottom leaves as you can see.

This is the other plant. There are little brown spots on the leaves. Maybe this is a Potassium deficency? The description suits to some of the plants.
"Leaf margins, tips turn rusty color and burn. Older leaves turn pale and suffer chlorosis."

I want to mention my soil is a reused one. Its the soil from my last grow pimped with several ingredients. Check first page if you want to see details.
Correct me if i am wrong plz :)

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Hey guys. Sorry for the late post, i was pretty busy the last weeks and i couldnt find a chilled moment to update my thread. I kept track with making pictures at least.

On 08.02. i did switch to 12/12, this picure was taken two days later.

Another four days later. The yellowing still ongoing. It starts from the bottom. The middle finger gets sucked out first. I raised Fishmix because i was thinking it must be a Nitrogen deficency. Also started a Foliar Spray of Fishmix and Seaweed.

The cuts from the topping, those who showed roots are doing pretty well. The rest was not doing and looking very well in the meanwhile.

8 days into flower they started showing sex. 5 of the 12 were males. 3Pure Michigan and 2 White Runtz. The 5 Gentleman were thrown out and are now composting ^^

Now 10 plants are left. 10 days into flower. Still yellow colour in the tent but its not getting worse. The Foliar Spray additionally to the watering definetely helped.

Now that the males are gone and my stretch is ok i installed the net and put the pots in their final positions. Trying to keep an even canopy but the backside already tells me it doesnt care :)

I showed some pics a friend who is more experienced and told him that i think its a Nitrogen problem but he said that looks like a calmag problem to him. Then i started thinking.
->always giving lowest amount on calmag
-->i have very strong led lights
--->i raised the light intensity and it got worse
---->at the end of last grow plants showed same symptomps
----->i reused that soil and gave again lowest amount of calmag

OK then, i started to max calmag dose and also added calmag to the foliar spray and the colour is getting better as you can see. I think this was the problem and i hope when the extra calmag in the soil kicks in, i am back on track, just in time.
For the phenos, i got one white runtz who is really huge, top left corner. The White Runtz were overall exceptional in growth compared to Pure Michigans.
This is whats left atm
5x White Runtz x Mad Martigan + (3 clones)
2x Pure Michigan x Cindarella Man + (1 clone)
2x Oki Wedding Cake x Garry Payton + (1 clone)
1x Amnesia x Mac + (1 clone)

This is the reason why i havent that much time recently. I bought me garden 420m² with a wooden house on it, some trees on it (apple, cherry...) and a place to plant vegetables. Cool thing it is in walking distance to where i live. The old owners didnt do much in the last two years so i got a ton of stuff to do as you can imagine. Here some pics.

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Hey guys, a quick update on the plants. The clones were potted from 1l to 4l pots.
Still not happy with the colour tone of the flowering tent. If you know what it could be plz leave a note.
Since organic fertilizers need time to kick in, i hope i will see some changes soon.
I switched to flowering food, stopped foliar spray(they seemed to like it though). Still giving a bit extra CalMag.
I am trying to fill the net. Its definetitely less crowded than my last grow :D

 

[Trustfall]

Hey guys. Sorry for the late post, i was pretty busy the last weeks and i couldnt find a chilled moment to update my thread. I kept track with making pictures at least.

On 08.02. i did switch to 12/12, this picure was taken two days later.
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Another four days later. The yellowing still ongoing. It starts from the bottom. The middle finger gets sucked out first. I raised Fishmix because i was thinking it must be a Nitrogen deficency. Also started a Foliar Spray of Fishmix and Seaweed.
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The cuts from the topping, those who showed roots are doing pretty well. The rest was not doing and looking very well in the meanwhile.
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8 days into flower they started showing sex. 5 of the 12 were males. 3Pure Michigan and 2 White Runtz. The 5 Gentleman were thrown out and are now composting ^^
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Now 10 plants are left. 10 days into flower. Still yellow colour in the tent but its not getting worse. The Foliar Spray additionally to the watering definetely helped.View attachment 1334161

Now that the males are gone and my stretch is ok i installed the net and put the pots in their final positions. Trying to keep an even canopy but the backside already tells me it doesnt care :)
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I showed some pics a friend who is more experienced and told him that i think its a Nitrogen problem but he said that looks like a calmag problem to him. Then i started thinking.
->always giving lowest amount on calmag
-->i have very strong led lights
--->i raised the light intensity and it got worse
---->at the end of last grow plants showed same symptomps
----->i reused that soil and gave again lowest amount of calmag

OK then, i started to max calmag dose and also added calmag to the foliar spray and the colour is getting better as you can see. I think this was the problem and i hope when the extra calmag in the soil kicks in, i am back on track, just in time.
For the phenos, i got one white runtz who is really huge, top left corner. The White Runtz were overall exceptional in growth compared to Pure Michigans.
This is whats left atm
5x White Runtz x Mad Martigan + (3 clones)
2x Pure Michigan x Cindarella Man + (1 clone)
2x Oki Wedding Cake x Garry Payton + (1 clone)
1x Amnesia x Mac + (1 clone)

This is the reason why i havent that much time recently. I bought me garden 420m² with a wooden house on it, some trees on it (apple, cherry...) and a place to plant vegetables. Cool thing it is in walking distance to where i live. The old owners didnt do much in the last two years so i got a ton of stuff to do as you can imagine. Here some pics.
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That piece of property looks awesome buddy!
A tip for cloning seeds is try it with a lower branch even if you have to wait until a week into flower.
Sorry I can’t help with the deficiency as I know nothing about organic farming. But something is definitely off.

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

That piece of property looks awesome buddy!
A tip for cloning seeds is try it with a lower branch even if you have to wait until a week into flower.
Sorry I can’t help with the deficiency as I know nothing about organic farming. But something is definitely off.

thx man :)
For the cloning i need to watchout better and not let them dry out. I took my cuts from the top, i waited for 4th node.
From the 10 plants in the tent i have 7 clones(one im not sure if she will make it).
Adding all that extra calmag does show an effect now i think. The colour of the tent stopped yellowing in general, more greenish now for me.
Buds are forming as they should, first frost is building up also. Raised the lights to 620W.

This is 22 days from flip

Top left and top right are really big. Both are White Runtz x MadMartigan

Family shot, i think the pic shows its getting greener?

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Hey guys, quick update on the ladies.
The colour in the tent is getting more and more greenish again. It feels like it is slowly getting better, some plants responding well to the treatment, some dont. I am not happy with the situation but ill try to make the best of it. Stretch getting less but still moving some buds in the net. More and more frost building up now. Yesterday lights on 680W
yesterday, 4 weeks into flower.

Family Shot

Looking at the tent now i think the optimum amount for my tent with my technique is 12 plants. Gonna aim for 12 plants with the next grow.
The surviving clones are looking good so far. They are in the small tent and growing. Stretching a bit much for me. Must be the light i guess.

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Hey, another quick look at the plants. Raising water amount atm because 500 every 2nd aint enough anymore. This will be the last pics for the next 3.5 weeks. Its holiday time for this year. My homie will take care of the plants. When im back i hope for massiv buds :)

This is how i left them today

Wish you guys good grows and nice smokes in the meanwhile. Cya!

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Hey guys, let me continue this thread. Was busy after the holidays, i spare you the details but the grow kept on going.
So when i left i had a yellow canopy, i adjusted nutrients as good as i could for the next 3.5 weeks.
When i came back they were 58 days in flower.

As you can see at the leaves the nutrients plan was dosed to high. It was all dark green and purple when i came back :/
With this final overfeeding i can say i did this run pretty poorly. Nevertheless 6days later i decided to take them down. I could see much amber with the microscope. Here some final shots. 68days flowering.

Pure Michigan x Cindarella Man #2

Pure Michigan x Cindarella Man #4

Oki Wedding Cake x Garry Payton #1

Weight wise this will not be much as far as i can see, i didnt put in on the scale yet. Therefore we decided to to take the clones we made and continue directly with them. Hope to be ready in 9 weeks again without all the fails from last run.
We additionally started some Oki Wedding Cake x SFV OG, a Mimosa bagseed and another Oki Wedding Cake x Garry Payton to fill up the tent. This is how it looked on 16 March when the clones and the rest went into the big tent. In the bottom corner right you can see the Amnesia x Mac1 from last grow which still didnt finish. (Its 12 weeks now going for week 13. )

The big tent was like a relief for the ladies. Coming from the small tent which was very crowded they started to explode.
This is one week later :)

This pics were made before 3 days. I did defoil a little bit today.

Look how small the Amnesia looks compared to the rest :D

So after cutting all plants i did hang them in the dry tent for 11 days and put them into the jars. There they are ripening with boveda packs. One pure Michigan is smelling like hash/chocolate. One White Runtz stands out with a very unique smell. It reminds me of a purple gelato i once had. Its delicious already in the nose, all soft. The Wedding Cakes x Garry Paytons smell like pepper. The buds are rockhard. Im smoking the small ones atm and let the big ones in the jars.
Here some white Runtz

 

[Trustfall]

Hey guys, let me continue this thread. Was busy after the holidays, i spare you the details but the grow kept on going.
So when i left i had a yellow canopy, i adjusted nutrients as good as i could for the next 3.5 weeks.
When i came back they were 58 days in flower.
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As you can see at the leaves the nutrients plan was dosed to high. It was all dark green and purple when i came back :/
With this final overfeeding i can say i did this run pretty poorly. Nevertheless 6days later i decided to take them down. I could see much amber with the microscope. Here some final shots. 68days flowering.

Pure Michigan x Cindarella Man #2
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Pure Michigan x Cindarella Man #4
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Oki Wedding Cake x Garry Payton #1
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Weight wise this will not be much as far as i can see, i didnt put in on the scale yet. Therefore we decided to to take the clones we made and continue directly with them. Hope to be ready in 9 weeks again without all the fails from last run.
We additionally started some Oki Wedding Cake x SFV OG, a Mimosa bagseed and another Oki Wedding Cake x Garry Payton to fill up the tent. This is how it looked on 16 March when the clones and the rest went into the big tent. In the bottom corner right you can see the Amnesia x Mac1 from last grow which still didnt finish. (Its 12 weeks now going for week 13. )
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The big tent was like a relief for the ladies. Coming from the small tent which was very crowded they started to explode.
This is one week later :)
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This pics were made before 3 days. I did defoil a little bit today. View attachment 1977844View attachment 1977845

Look how small the Amnesia looks compared to the rest :D

So after cutting all plants i did hang them in the dry tent for 11 days and put them into the jars. There they are ripening with boveda packs. One pure Michigan is smelling like hash/chocolate. One White Runtz stands out with a very unique smell. It reminds me of a purple gelato i once had. Its delicious already in the nose, all soft. The Wedding Cakes x Garry Paytons smell like pepper. The buds are rockhard. Im smoking the small ones atm and let the big ones in the jars.
Here some white Runtz
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Are you happy with the results of your seeds? Also what is the first picture of they all look fantastic! And I remember the yellowing but you really turned them around!

 

[Mikedin]

Tent full of huge buds is an awesome thing to come home to haha

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Are you happy with the results of your seeds? Also what is the first picture of they all look fantastic! And I remember the yellowing but you really turned them around!

Thats pics were random, i didnt save the names to it, cant tell you. So far i am very happy with the quality of the weed your seeds produced. Comparing to my last grow, which were only seeds from standard big seedbanks, your weed seems to be "more" in most details. The smells are more specific, more detailed. The stickiness is higher and the density of some buds is on another level. Not all though, there is some fluffies too. It will need 2 more weeks in the jars to fully show its potential imo.
The White Runtz so far has two phenos. One is bright the other pheno is darker and smells totally different.
5 plants: 2 white phenos, 2 dark, one mixed

White Pheno

Dark Pheno

I like the dark pheno more atm. Delicious smoke and talkative.
I didnt check the rest in detail yet, only the white runtz, rest will follow on the weekend.
Weight wise i got following until now, first value was before, second value after manicure. Overall its like -20% weight per plant after manicure.
WRxMM#6 - 55g = ~44g
WRxMM#5 - 49g = ~39g
WRxMM#2 - 47g = ~38g
PMxCM#2 - 49g = ~39g
OkixGarry#1 - 47g = ~38g

So with all that fails i had this grow it is still something. As i said i have the same plants in the tent again. Not topped this time though. When i manage to handle the nutrients better i bet it will be much more yield per plant. The potential is there for sure. I keep you updated with the rest.

 

[0ttomanfarmer]

Tent full of huge buds is an awesome thing to come home to haha

haha yes, could get used to it :)