russet mites

[caregiverken]

And OTOH some consumers don't give a shit and would smoke bud dipped in Round-up right after harvest.

Most people eat round up everyday

 

[bongobongo]

I mean, Loompa says it's pretty well... I dunno how much I could stray from harvesting my livelihood. This is what keeps me from living out of my car, feeds kids, keeps me in a warm house... If I had the chance to use avid before heavy flower I WOULD. And I wouldn't tell anyone of my patients either. Why? Because I don't want to purposefully bring myself down. Would I have it tested? Yes absolutely, and I'd specifically ask for avid residuals testing as well.

This is just me voicing my opinion. And I don't think it should be used unless it has to. But like home slice goo said, MUTHA FUCKA ITS WARRRRRRRRRRRRRR *foams avid from the mouth*

 

[caregiverken]

There is a thunderstorm here now and we are getting a few sprinkles
I hope it keeps up! :)
I have a half gallon of Mighty wash laying around..im thinking i might spray it on the ones in the Greenhouse because they are not getting any rain
Cant hurt it's just water anyway
I picked up some sulfur to spray with in the morning.
and then let it sit till friday, when I spray azamax again

 

[Prince Blanc]

Abamectin is a systemic, hence why it's not allowed on agriculture intended for consumption. If those buds are going to be used as meds, you might want to think about the implications of using Avid first.

TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Toxicological Data:
Data from laboratory studies on this product are summarized below:

Oral: Rabbit LD 50 : 300 mg/kg
Dermal: Rat LD 50 : >5,000 mg/kg
Inhalation: Rat 4 - hr LC 50 : >2.09 mg/L
Eye Irritation: Rabbit: Moderately irritating
Skin Irritation: Rabbit: Slightly irritating Skin
Sensitization: Not a contact sensitizer in guinea pigs followin g repeated skin exposure.

Subchronic (Target Organ) Effects: Abamectin is a central nervous system depressant. Overexposure to abamectin may also affect skin and eyes. Abamectin is a GABA agonist. G ABA is a major inhibitory neurotransmitter. Repeated ov erexposure to N - Methyl 2 - pyrrolidinone (NMP) may cause effects to eyes, skin, respiratory system, central nervous system, liver and kidneys. Repeated overexposure to ethyl lactate may cause effects to eyes, skin and respiratory system . Inhalation of high v apor concentrations can cause central nervous system depression and narcosis.
Carcinogenicity / Chronic Health Effects: There was no evidence of carcinogenicity in animal studies using abamectin. No increase in tumors was seen in rats via dietary or inhalation exposure to NMP for two years; however, an increase in liver tumors was noted in mice receiving high dietary doses over a similar period. Liver tumors are not uncommon when non - genotoxic chemicals such as NMP are tested in the mouse bioassay. Prolonged overexposure to ethyl lactate may cause irritation of eyes and skin.
Reproductive Toxicity: In laboratory animal studies with abamectin, effects on reproduction have been seen only at doses that produced significant toxicity to the parent animals. NMP ma y adversely affect reproduction in rats after ingestion, although fertility is unaltered.
Developmental Toxicity: In animal studies with abamectin, developmental effects were observed at doses that were also toxic to the maternal animal. Fetal development al effects were observed following ingestion, inhalation and dermal exposures to NMP in pregnant animals, and occurred both in the presence and absence of maternal toxicity.
Genotoxicity: Animal tests with abamectin did not demonstrate mutagenic effects. N either in vitro nor in vivo tests on NMP demonstrated mutagenic effects

 

[4214evr]

ken sorry to hear you gots troubles
positive vibes on a bountiful harvest

 

[SunGrown]

can we all just let ken's thread get back on track here guys...

I got a few sprinkles today as well, Ken, I was hopeful for real rain but it doesnt seem likely.

 

[SunGrown]

Listen, I'm right there with the next man about doing what we have to to support our family.
But we all have decisions and I choose not too use shit poison like avid on my own shit or others shared sold or suppository or however the method

so are you gonna keep fucking up Kens thread to feed your own righteous ego?? Seriously

 

[wobbly goblin]

so are you gonna keep fucking up Kens thread to feed your own righteous ego?? Seriously

good post
my guess is many are thinking the same thing

fwiw

 

[delae632]

Do what you gotta do Ken. You're a grown man, capable of making informed decisions that won't effect a single person on this thread, other than yourself. It is your crop after all. Just be smart about it and use the proper safety equipment if you decide to go nuclear.

@caveman4.20 please stop trolling Ken and clogging up his thread with your beliefs. I don't care if you're are an anti Avid crusader or whatever. If you want to start an Avid hate thread with lab tests and science to back up your talk then please do but this isn't the place for it. Ken no longer has moderator privileges so he can't clean up the mess you've made either. I get to do that so thanks.

 

[caregiverken]

Thanks Delae :)

 

[Aligee]

;)Thanks D!

 

[caregiverken]

The fully flowering plants I would chop down.... I will only use AVID if I got at least 60 days 2 go away..

I moved em to the other side of the house/property for now
I know your right..I should toss em..and I probably will
they wont produce much anyway

Some are bad, others like this Grape Invader hardly show any signs

I wanted to show the Sour Strawberry im lite depping
It is noticeably better in just 24 hours after asprin and sm90

all those little lowers were brown yesterday (like the plant behind it)

and even the worst looking plants are still praying :confused:

 

[SunGrown]

That grape looks great! The strawberry does seem like she looks happy

 

[kolah]

Most people eat round up everyday

True dat. And I really don' know the differences (if there are any) in comparison to ingesting versus smoking. I'd have to guess there would be different absorption rates between the two. Maybe Squiggs would know.

 

[caregiverken]

True dat. And I really don' know the differences (if there are any) in comparison to ingesting versus smoking. I'd have to guess there would be different absorption rates between the two. Maybe Squiggs would know.

I bet he does, lets see if he will comment @squiggly :)
What say you Squigg?

 

[squiggly]

Well, let's cover the basics:

For smoking you're actually basically vaporizing the material. The THC that actually gets burned undergoes a chemical change and is no longer THC and it doesn't fuck you up at all. However, the burning material atop the bowl/bong/joint/what-have-you is a source of heat which goes to the lower down material and vaporizes THC out of the bud much the same way that a forced hot air vaporizer like a volcano does.

There are different flavors and probably different terpenes make their way through with burning vs not burning vs eating--and this among the different metabolic rates for the different routes of uptake produce the different highs a person might experience using the same bud but different methods.

When we're talking pesticides and other unwanted chemicals, a very similar argument applies. Depending on what the boiling points are for these pesticides, some of them might be burned (destroyed) and some of them might be vaporized and taken in along with the THC. There are other things to consider but in general this is how to think about the process. You're destroying some but getting some too.

With eating, you're basically getting everything.

With vaporization, depending on the boiling points of the stuff you don't want you might be able to vape without ingesting them at all.

 

[SunGrown]

Well, let's cover the basics:

For smoking you're actually basically vaporizing the material. The THC that actually gets burned undergoes a chemical change and is no longer THC and it doesn't fuck you up at all. However, the burning material atop the bowl/bong/joint/what-have-you is a source of heat which goes to the lower down material and vaporizes THC out of the bud much the same way that a forced hot air vaporizer like a volcano does.

There are different flavors and probably different terpenes make their way through with burning vs not burning vs eating--and this among the different metabolic rates for the different routes of uptake produce the different highs a person might experience using the same bud but different methods.

When we're talking pesticides and other unwanted chemicals, a very similar argument applies. Depending on what the boiling points are for these pesticides, some of them might be burned (destroyed) and some of them might be vaporized and taken in along with the THC. There are other things to consider but in general this is how to think about the process. You're destroying some but getting some too.

With eating, you're basically getting everything.

With vaporization, depending on the boiling points of the stuff you don't want you might be able to vape without ingesting them at all.

Melting point: 155-157 degrees C (4)
Vapor pressure: negligible (4); 1.5 x 10 to the minus 9 torr



does the info here help you provide more details concerning avid and combustion?

 

[derelict]

are any of the plants in the ground affected, or only those in pots/bags?

 

[kolah]

Well, let's cover the basics:

For smoking you're actually basically vaporizing the material. The THC that actually gets burned undergoes a chemical change and is no longer THC and it doesn't fuck you up at all. However, the burning material atop the bowl/bong/joint/what-have-you is a source of heat which goes to the lower down material and vaporizes THC out of the bud much the same way that a forced hot air vaporizer like a volcano does.

There are different flavors and probably different terpenes make their way through with burning vs not burning vs eating--and this among the different metabolic rates for the different routes of uptake produce the different highs a person might experience using the same bud but different methods.

When we're talking pesticides and other unwanted chemicals, a very similar argument applies. Depending on what the boiling points are for these pesticides, some of them might be burned (destroyed) and some of them might be vaporized and taken in along with the THC. There are other things to consider but in general this is how to think about the process. You're destroying some but getting some too.

With eating, you're basically getting everything.

With vaporization, depending on the boiling points of the stuff you don't want you might be able to vape without ingesting them at all.

That makes good sense, Squiggs, thanks. The only thing I might add or question is highlighted in red. If you cook food with heat then you would be burning some toxins off as well. Correct?

 

[derelict]

With eating, you're basically getting everything.

yes, but your liver might detoxify a significant amount of whatever toxin you're consuming.

with smoking you bypass the liver and go straight to the bloodstream.