The Secret to Organic success

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PauliBhoy

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5 to 10 years? Thats much longer than the 6 months you get to nail it and produce flawless product of the highest standard.
That's the typical duration of a breeding program for any outdoor crop to commercialization.

Even that high THC "sun powered" weed they grow in the greenhouses here is garbage. They basically built these giant greenhouse facilities. And hired these horticultural experts and breeders. And it was a joke. It was literally roobs and nobodies trying to buy genetics with a credit card. And they ended up doing 60 rooms of the same poo. Which literally is in trucks driving around once a day. Because it's the only way to store it. And where does it end up? Yep. The landfill. Literally the guy with 200 lights and a warehouse was the guy they just needed to pay. And they couldn't figure it our. Lighting up 10s of thousands of bulbs. Boy did they learn. Took them at least 10 crops to go broke. Not too bad. But at the end of the day. Sabotage. And trying to compete with gangsters makes it real hard to win.
Well not sure where you are, but I've seen plenty of high quality greenhouse grown weed. Just because one place can't get it right doesn't mean others can't too.

Anyone doing a startup under the sun should understand that year one is phenotype discovery. Year two is production. A lot of folks skip the first step and end up about where you describe.
 
skinnypuppy

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Free sunlight?
Net negative carbon emissions?
Better terpene profiles?
Early frosts?
Flakey weather?
New pests?
If we are talking straight up let me smoke the best weed ever. Try growing outdoor in a rain forest. You may change your mind.
 
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That's the typical duration of a breeding program for any outdoor crop to commercialization.


Well not sure where you are, but I've seen plenty of high quality greenhouse grown weed. Just because one place can't get it right doesn't mean others can't too.

Anyone doing a startup under the sun should understand that year one is phenotype discovery. Year two is production. A lot of folks skip the first step and end up about where you describe.
Yeah. Now imagine being an early investor. Bit I mean no one here has ever heard of or seen a pack of desirable greenhouse or outdoor. So my theory is it's like a regional brand preference. Like tobacco or liquor. And it's not the product that varies. It's the objectivity of the customer. I would also imagine really good outdoor would never be imported here. Or any marijuana really. It goes out. It doesn't come in. 5 years is about how long it takes the average market to have people get sick of a killer new strain. Like Pink. Or Master. 10 years ago Purple Kush was king. Now. People won't smoke it.
 
PauliBhoy

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Early frosts?
Flakey weather?
New pests?
If we are talking straight up let me smoke the best weed ever. Try growing outdoor in a rain forest. You may change your mind.
All avoidable with a greenhouse.
Location/site selection is important if you want to farm any particular crop outdoors.
 
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mancorn

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Anyone ever see what an organic pig farm does to the local water supply?

Both harmful if not used appropriately. Both much less harmful if used appropriately. Organic certification is kind of a joke in my mind once you read into the pesticides and non organic stuff allowed.
I’d guess it’s a tiny fraction compared to the shit released by the large producers.

 
Anthem

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If you are doing light dep you can get darn near the same quality as indoor. It can be very hard to tell the difference. The thing about large green houses is they are not as cheap to run as most might think. They get hot really fast and they get humid really fast so you do need a fair amount of environmental controls in place to be success to the point of the top tear guys. Light Dep on the novice level is not fun, Just ask @1diesel1 about going out in the morning to take off the tarps and put them back on every single day!
 
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If you are doing light dep you can get darn near the same quality as indoor. It can be very hard to tell the difference. The thing about large green houses is they are not as cheap to run as most might think. They get hot really fast and they get humid really fast so you do need a fair amount of environmental controls in place to be success to the point of the top tear guys. Light Dep on the novice level is not fun, Just ask @1diesel1 about going out in the morning to take off the tarps and put them back on every single day!
Pain in the fucking ASS!!!
 
MIGrampaUSA

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If you are doing light dep you can get darn near the same quality as indoor. It can be very hard to tell the difference. The thing about large green houses is they are not as cheap to run as most might think. They get hot really fast and they get humid really fast so you do need a fair amount of environmental controls in place to be success to the point of the top tear guys. Light Dep on the novice level is not fun, Just ask @1diesel1 about going out in the morning to take off the tarps and put them back on every single day!
To mass produce greenhouse bud that rivals high quality indoor we've grown accustomed to would require state of the art equipment AND state of the art greenhouse structure. As @Anthem pointed out, those environmental controls is what develops high quality bud. One would have to have very deep pockets to pull this off. It would take a while to see any ROI.

I have a greenhouse. I thought it would lengthen the growing season. It works great in the spring when plants are small, but there is a long list of environmental challenges to overcome in the fall so it really doesn't lengthen the season much. It does offer a shelter from all the bad weather we've had this summer and it does allow me to lock it up and be within the legal requirements for a home grow. However, this year I kept my summer run inside.
 
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To mass produce greenhouse bud that rivals high quality indoor we've grown accustomed to would require state of the art equipment AND state of the art greenhouse structure. As @Anthem pointed out, those environmental controls is what develops high quality bud. One would have to have very deep pockets to pull this off. It would take a while to see any ROI.

I have a greenhouse. I thought it would lengthen the growing season. It works great in the spring when plants are small, but there is a long list of environmental challenges to overcome in the fall so it really doesn't lengthen the season much. It does offer a shelter from all the bad weather we've had this summer and it does allow me to lock it up and be within the legal requirements for a home grow. However, this year I kept my summer run inside.
How about running the greenhouse full time with dep shut?
 
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To mass produce greenhouse bud that rivals high quality indoor we've grown accustomed to would require state of the art equipment AND state of the art greenhouse structure. As @Anthem pointed out, those environmental controls is what develops high quality bud. One would have to have very deep pockets to pull this off. It would take a while to see any ROI.

I have a greenhouse. I thought it would lengthen the growing season. It works great in the spring when plants are small, but there is a long list of environmental challenges to overcome in the fall so it really doesn't lengthen the season much. It does offer a shelter from all the bad weather we've had this summer and it does allow me to lock it up and be within the legal requirements for a home grow. However, this year I kept my summer run inside.
I'm surrounded by massive corporate failed greenhouses. Literally built wrong from the start. It's a disaster.
 
PauliBhoy

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No. It would be like importing cocaine to Columbia. Wouldn't make any sense. And brokers aren't falling for stuff here.
You'd be surprised. Like I said, over half of the outdoor crops I grew in Washington state were marketed as indoor flower. Nobody even questioned it.

But the only thing keeping indoor profitable is either illegality or a limited market that keeps supply artificially low. If weed were legal federally in the US with an unlimited number of licenses, I expect that 99% of all weed on the market would be sungrown because prices would be so low that they wouldn't cover the costs to keep the lights on.
 
ComfortablyNumb

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I have a rain forest just down the road from me. The most incredible growth you will ever see. A plant will go from seedling to 4 feet high in 2 weeks.
 
Ponky

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You'd be surprised. Like I said, over half of the outdoor crops I grew in Washington state were marketed as indoor flower. Nobody even questioned it.

But the only thing keeping indoor profitable is either illegality or a limited market that keeps supply artificially low. If weed were legal federally in the US with an unlimited number of licenses, I expect that 99% of all weed on the market would be sungrown because prices would be so low that they wouldn't cover the costs to keep the lights on.
I mean I've smuggled and brokered my whole life. There are no surprises. When you open the pack you know if it's been touched by the sun. Because the pack is worthless. And kind of gross. So no one here has ever pulled it off. If they have somewhere else I can accept it. It simply is not a thing here. It looks and smells different. No one wants sunlight hitting their weed here. If the day comes when I smoke a joint grown under the sun that isn't poo I will be happy about it. Because I believe it can exist. And no one else I know does. And I can't prove them wrong.
For me a grow is only as good as the garbage bags they put out. And even with an almost complete crash of the market rate the supply never dwindled. People used to getting 1600 and up just deal with 600 and under. And outdoor just isn't a thing. No packs of greenhouse either. Indoor. Still going. We either don't have the conditions for it. And that's why outdoor here is gross. Or people that smoke outdoor have a low standard. Which I mean could be. I smoked Australian weed they said was the best and I just gave it away. It was literally worthless by our standard. My current stance is that outdoor is better closer to the equator. And that's why it's never good here. Just too far north.
 
Hazyflavors

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I see so many that say they are growing organic and in the next sentence they want to know when to flush. I realize new growers don't get this so here is a basic explanation of organic growing.

Organic means that you are going to let nature deliver all the food to your plants, you only give water. To do this, nature requires microbes and enzymes. It takes a while to build these up in the soil but once you have them, don't let them get away. Never flush an organic grow. It's almost like killing your plants on purpose. when you flush, you will be robbing the plant of everything it needs to grow without commercial fertilizers.

The enzymes and microbes break apart the minerals and other goodies in the soil to give your plants what they need. By not having a decent size population of them your pH will suffer, and your plants will suffer without regular feedings which it doesn't need if the organics are in place.

Growing organic is easy, once you get it setup and running. Very little plant food is needed. You will use more soil than nutes.
I grow totally organic but I need to flush on account of the well water source on my property. I get a salt build-up that I need to flush out. Even though I am using homemade compost, and organic nutes;Dr.Earth, I still find it beneficial to run a half flush to ensure the flavor profiles. I hate the taste of earthy nuggs.
 

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