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Today I am also going to get a couple cuts off that strawberry cough runt that just keeps bushing like no ones business lol. I don't have any type of cloning gels so I am thinking of trying honey as I have read that works pretty well. Any thoughts?
 
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Today I am also going to get a couple cuts off that strawberry cough runt that just keeps bushing like no ones business lol. I don't have any type of cloning gels so I am thinking of trying honey as I have read that works pretty well. Any thoughts?

Hell yeah get those runt clones that thing is a monster.

I have not much knowledge on cloning so maybe others would have better knowledge.

I had a cutting once I put in a glass of water that was changed everyday. After a week or 2 it grew roots I planted it then gave it away.

This time around I've learned the plant soaks up the oxygen from the water very quickly. So if left in stale water it will slow down its growth. So I will propagate them in water with air stones+air pump to help keep the oxygen content high.

I think this will make things easier.

I will toy with it after my first topping of all plants. To see if I can get it to work.
 
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I still have 3 clones from when I did a topping almost 3 weeks ago. They have been in soil the whole time and under t5 light 24/7. The thing is they will not grow lol. They are green as can be and look healthy but zero growth. No clue whats going on with them.
That was why I was figuring I might try the honey that I read about as I don't have any cloning gel and have to take the cuts today before I kill the lights for the switch.
 
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I still have 3 clones from when I did a topping almost 3 weeks ago. They have been in soil the whole time and under t5 light 24/7. The thing is they will not grow lol. They are green as can be and look healthy but zero growth.
I know that you say they are still green. Is there any yellowing on the lower leaves of the cuttings? If not they are what I call feeding off of themselves. Here is what I do in this situation. I do a pull check slightly lifting on the stem to see if it has taken root. If not it will lift right out of the pot. I hope this helps some.
 
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Here is what the remaining 2 look like.
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The third was almost completely yellow so I did what you said. It came out with zero effort and had 3 very small roots less than a 1/4 inch
 
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Great tip @Trucker on using honey as a cloning gel. I've never used it but found this on the subject thanks to you. I'm ready to try this myself. Just need to get some fresh honey.:)
How to clone plants using honey
Updated on December 5, 2011
Save your money, use honey.
So you have a great plant, It's growing vigorously, and looking good doing it. Perhaps it's already in it's flowering cycle and it's one of the best plants you've grown, showing some amazing results, what now? Well if you're like me, you probably want to make sure that you clone this plant and keep the genetics going. When looking to clone a plant, there are dozens of different methods, contraptions, and not to mention all the different rooting compounds that you can buy at various local floral shops, and even hundreds more stores online. I've discovered an easy, cheap, and nearly guaranteed way to clone your best plants without all the hassle, gadgets, and most importantly money. Honey, unlike your rooting compound or heating pad for some hundred dollar cloning machine (a hundred dollars is actually an understatement) is cheap, and can be found at almost any local grocery store. I bought a modest size bottle for $1...come on, you can't beat that. Also for the amount of honey that you will need, you probably will have this bottle forever. Well, not forever, but you know what I mean, at least until the honey crystallizes, and if I recall correctly from my dorm room days, that takes about a year.

Before I go into the directions, I want to talk about the advantages of cloning a plant versus planting a new seed of the same plant. Of course, when you plant a new seed this ensures that the genetics of the plant is exactly the same. Depending on the size and health of the seed, it may grow slower or it may grow a little faster, but the qualities of the mother plant will definitely be there. When cloning however, I recommend that you find your biggest and healthiest looking cut-lings. This ensures that your clones are more genetically identical to your mother plant. You don't want your cut-lings to be small and weak looking, because that is reminiscent to how they may grow. Cloning also cuts down on the time it takes for a plant, otherwise planted from seed to germinate and develop into the vegetative stage, by at least 3-4 weeks!

When cloning with honey, you need four basic household supplies. 1. A pair of scissors or small handheld shears. 2. a piece of paper towel to douse your rubbing alcohol on. 3. Rubbing alcohol, because we're going to sterilize the scissors (nothing fancy, just wipe it down with alcohol and dry it off). 4. Honey.

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<img src="https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/5853182_f520.jpg" width="520" height="292" alt="Rubbing Alcohol, Honey, Paper towel, and Scissors." title="Rubbing Alcohol, Honey, Paper towel, and Scissors." class="full"/>
Rubbing Alcohol, Honey, Paper towel, and Scissors. | Source
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<img src="https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/5853197_f520.jpg" width="520" height="292" alt="1. We're going to want to cut off your clone from the mother plant by a 45 degree angle. From my experience it doesn't matter how long from a branch or how short, but the entire height of your cut-ling should be at least 3.5 inches." title="1. We're going to want to cut off your clone from the mother plant by a 45 degree angle. From my experience it doesn't matter how long from a branch or how short, but the entire height of your cut-ling should be at least 3.5 inches." class="full"/>
1. We're going to want to cut off your clone from the mother plant by a 45 degree angle. From my experience it doesn't matter how long from a branch or how short, but the entire height of your cut-ling should be at least 3.5 inches. | Source
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<img src="https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/5853202_f120.jpg" width="120" height="214" alt="This is what your stem should look like." title="This is what your stem should look like." class="quarter"/>
This is what your stem should look like. | Source
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<img src="https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/5853205_f120.jpg" width="120" height="214" alt="2. Next you're going to want to snip the center of the cut-ling stem, but not cutting more than half an inch upward. However, I've found the longer your cut-ling stem, the longer you may want to make your snippet(s) cut." title="2. Next you're going to want to snip the center of the cut-ling stem, but not cutting more than half an inch upward. However, I've found the longer your cut-ling stem, the longer you may want to make your snippet(s) cut." class="quarter"/>
2. Next you're going to want to snip the center of the cut-ling stem, but not cutting more than half an inch upward. However, I've found the longer your cut-ling stem, the longer you may want to make your snippet(s) cut. | Source
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<img src="https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/5853213_f120.jpg" width="120" height="214" alt="3. Rotate the stem and put a couple more snippet cuts in the middle. Half of an inch up the stem should now look a little bit like a chew stick. But if it doesn't it's okay to put a couple more cuts in there. " title="3. Rotate the stem and put a couple more snippet cuts in the middle. Half of an inch up the stem should now look a little bit like a chew stick. But if it doesn't it's okay to put a couple more cuts in there. " class="quarter"/>
3. Rotate the stem and put a couple more snippet cuts in the middle. Half of an inch up the stem should now look a little bit like a chew stick. But if it doesn't it's okay to put a couple more cuts in there. | Source
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<img src="https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/5853219_f120.jpg" width="120" height="214" alt="4. Dip the chew stick looking part of the stem into honey, covering the entire area that's been cut. Then simply place the stem into your prepared median (soil, water, rock-wool, etc) making sure the entire dipped part is now into your median." title="4. Dip the chew stick looking part of the stem into honey, covering the entire area that's been cut. Then simply place the stem into your prepared median (soil, water, rock-wool, etc) making sure the entire dipped part is now into your median." class="quarter"/>
4. Dip the chew stick looking part of the stem into honey, covering the entire area that's been cut. Then simply place the stem into your prepared median (soil, water, rock-wool, etc) making sure the entire dipped part is now into your median. | Source
Important things to remember
This process of using honey to clone works on nearly every median that you can think of. Water, soil, rock-wool, etc. If you are using hydroponics, you can simply place your stem in water, immediately after you dip it into honey, provided you have support for the cut-ling along with proper oxygen. If you are using soil, you will want to make sure your soil is at the right pH, getting adequate oxygen and is watered throughout. If you are using a rock-wool, you want to make sure that your hole prepared for the clone is deep enough to support your cut-ling, and your rock-wool is completed soaked in water with the right pH, however I don't stress the pH levels as much for hydroponics and the rock-wool (at least not yet). Support is important, treat the cut-lings as you would a baby seedling. If your cut-ling is 12 inches, then your rock-wool hole needs to be deep enough to support that height. Oxygen plays a key role in whichever median that you use. I have found that the method showing the best and quickest result is hydroponics, however if done correctly, this method will work in all medians. You will want to monitor your clones even still, give them at least 6 - 8 days to show signs of continued growth, and even some new growth before assuming that the cloning was successful. Honestly, I can tell by the next day. If a plant is not surviving, it will die within hours. If your cut-ling is still standing in the same shape and form from the previous day, and it has no signs of weakening or droopiness, it is safe to say that you are on your way to having a developing clone.
 
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Nice job on the new cuttings. I want to suggest taping the soil cups to keep light out of the soil. Roots love the dark!:)
 
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Nice job on the new cuttings. I want to suggest taping the soil cups to keep light out of the soil. Roots love the dark!:)
Yeah I only had clear cups in the house lol. But I will definitely be either taping them or getting some red solo cups to drop them into within the next day or two.
 
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Great tip @Trucker on using honey as a cloning gel. I've never used it but found this on the subject thanks to you. I'm ready to try this myself. Just need to get some fresh honey.:)
How to clone plants using honey
Updated on December 5, 2011
Save your money, use honey.
So you have a great plant, It's growing vigorously, and looking good doing it. Perhaps it's already in it's flowering cycle and it's one of the best plants you've grown, showing some amazing results, what now? Well if you're like me, you probably want to make sure that you clone this plant and keep the genetics going. When looking to clone a plant, there are dozens of different methods, contraptions, and not to mention all the different rooting compounds that you can buy at various local floral shops, and even hundreds more stores online. I've discovered an easy, cheap, and nearly guaranteed way to clone your best plants without all the hassle, gadgets, and most importantly money. Honey, unlike your rooting compound or heating pad for some hundred dollar cloning machine (a hundred dollars is actually an understatement) is cheap, and can be found at almost any local grocery store. I bought a modest size bottle for $1...come on, you can't beat that. Also for the amount of honey that you will need, you probably will have this bottle forever. Well, not forever, but you know what I mean, at least until the honey crystallizes, and if I recall correctly from my dorm room days, that takes about a year.

Before I go into the directions, I want to talk about the advantages of cloning a plant versus planting a new seed of the same plant. Of course, when you plant a new seed this ensures that the genetics of the plant is exactly the same. Depending on the size and health of the seed, it may grow slower or it may grow a little faster, but the qualities of the mother plant will definitely be there. When cloning however, I recommend that you find your biggest and healthiest looking cut-lings. This ensures that your clones are more genetically identical to your mother plant. You don't want your cut-lings to be small and weak looking, because that is reminiscent to how they may grow. Cloning also cuts down on the time it takes for a plant, otherwise planted from seed to germinate and develop into the vegetative stage, by at least 3-4 weeks!

When cloning with honey, you need four basic household supplies. 1. A pair of scissors or small handheld shears. 2. a piece of paper towel to douse your rubbing alcohol on. 3. Rubbing alcohol, because we're going to sterilize the scissors (nothing fancy, just wipe it down with alcohol and dry it off). 4. Honey.

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<img src="https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/5853182_f520.jpg" width="520" height="292" alt="Rubbing Alcohol, Honey, Paper towel, and Scissors." title="Rubbing Alcohol, Honey, Paper towel, and Scissors." class="full"/>
Rubbing Alcohol, Honey, Paper towel, and Scissors. | Source
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<img src="https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/5853197_f520.jpg" width="520" height="292" alt="1. We're going to want to cut off your clone from the mother plant by a 45 degree angle. From my experience it doesn't matter how long from a branch or how short, but the entire height of your cut-ling should be at least 3.5 inches." title="1. We're going to want to cut off your clone from the mother plant by a 45 degree angle. From my experience it doesn't matter how long from a branch or how short, but the entire height of your cut-ling should be at least 3.5 inches." class="full"/>
1. We're going to want to cut off your clone from the mother plant by a 45 degree angle. From my experience it doesn't matter how long from a branch or how short, but the entire height of your cut-ling should be at least 3.5 inches. | Source
5853202_f120.jpg

<img src="https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/5853202_f120.jpg" width="120" height="214" alt="This is what your stem should look like." title="This is what your stem should look like." class="quarter"/>
This is what your stem should look like. | Source
5853205_f120.jpg

<img src="https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/5853205_f120.jpg" width="120" height="214" alt="2. Next you're going to want to snip the center of the cut-ling stem, but not cutting more than half an inch upward. However, I've found the longer your cut-ling stem, the longer you may want to make your snippet(s) cut." title="2. Next you're going to want to snip the center of the cut-ling stem, but not cutting more than half an inch upward. However, I've found the longer your cut-ling stem, the longer you may want to make your snippet(s) cut." class="quarter"/>
2. Next you're going to want to snip the center of the cut-ling stem, but not cutting more than half an inch upward. However, I've found the longer your cut-ling stem, the longer you may want to make your snippet(s) cut. | Source
5853213_f120.jpg

<img src="https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/5853213_f120.jpg" width="120" height="214" alt="3. Rotate the stem and put a couple more snippet cuts in the middle. Half of an inch up the stem should now look a little bit like a chew stick. But if it doesn't it's okay to put a couple more cuts in there. " title="3. Rotate the stem and put a couple more snippet cuts in the middle. Half of an inch up the stem should now look a little bit like a chew stick. But if it doesn't it's okay to put a couple more cuts in there. " class="quarter"/>
3. Rotate the stem and put a couple more snippet cuts in the middle. Half of an inch up the stem should now look a little bit like a chew stick. But if it doesn't it's okay to put a couple more cuts in there. | Source
5853219_f120.jpg

<img src="https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/5853219_f120.jpg" width="120" height="214" alt="4. Dip the chew stick looking part of the stem into honey, covering the entire area that's been cut. Then simply place the stem into your prepared median (soil, water, rock-wool, etc) making sure the entire dipped part is now into your median." title="4. Dip the chew stick looking part of the stem into honey, covering the entire area that's been cut. Then simply place the stem into your prepared median (soil, water, rock-wool, etc) making sure the entire dipped part is now into your median." class="quarter"/>
4. Dip the chew stick looking part of the stem into honey, covering the entire area that's been cut. Then simply place the stem into your prepared median (soil, water, rock-wool, etc) making sure the entire dipped part is now into your median. | Source
Important things to remember
This process of using honey to clone works on nearly every median that you can think of. Water, soil, rock-wool, etc. If you are using hydroponics, you can simply place your stem in water, immediately after you dip it into honey, provided you have support for the cut-ling along with proper oxygen. If you are using soil, you will want to make sure your soil is at the right pH, getting adequate oxygen and is watered throughout. If you are using a rock-wool, you want to make sure that your hole prepared for the clone is deep enough to support your cut-ling, and your rock-wool is completed soaked in water with the right pH, however I don't stress the pH levels as much for hydroponics and the rock-wool (at least not yet). Support is important, treat the cut-lings as you would a baby seedling. If your cut-ling is 12 inches, then your rock-wool hole needs to be deep enough to support that height. Oxygen plays a key role in whichever median that you use. I have found that the method showing the best and quickest result is hydroponics, however if done correctly, this method will work in all medians. You will want to monitor your clones even still, give them at least 6 - 8 days to show signs of continued growth, and even some new growth before assuming that the cloning was successful. Honestly, I can tell by the next day. If a plant is not surviving, it will die within hours. If your cut-ling is still standing in the same shape and form from the previous day, and it has no signs of weakening or droopiness, it is safe to say that you are on your way to having a developing clone.
Only thing I didn't do was the cuts going up the stem. The couple videos I watched they didn't do that part so hopefully they will still take.
 
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I didn't get any individual shots today due to getting everything ready for the light switch and also getting everything ready for the 4th. I did get the group pictures I posted up a little earlier today.
Lights are officially switched now just went down and turned them off. In about 30 minutes I will go down and switch the bulbs so when lights come on next it will be the flower bulb in there.
Just wondering how much these are going to stretch and if I waited too long or not to switch them. We will soon find out :)
 
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I didn't get any individual shots today due to getting everything ready for the light switch and also getting everything ready for the 4th. I did get the group pictures I posted up a little earlier today.
Lights are officially switched now just went down and turned them off. In about 30 minutes I will go down and switch the bulbs so when lights come on next it will be the flower bulb in there.
Just wondering how much these are going to stretch and if I waited too long or not to switch them. We will soon find out :)

I think you will be just fine friend.. If anything stretch can be a good thing. :)

Just think of it as generally a nice yield increase then if they don't stretch much at all. :)
 
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I think you will be just fine friend.. If anything stretch can be a good thing. :)

Just think of it as generally a nice yield increase then if they don't stretch much at all. :)
I figure worst case if they do stretch too much I will just start bending them down :)
 
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Today was the first day of flower. I have to dial in the fans and exhaust and such to get humidity back in check but it will soon enough. Nothing else was really done besides just checking them over.
Here they are.
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sour diesel
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second sour diesel
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strawberry cough
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second strawberry cough (runt)
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Pakistan valley
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second Pakistan valley
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NL5 haze mist
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second NL5 haze mist
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and the group
 
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Loving it man!
They all look beautiful.
I wonder how big they will get.
It is gonna be a jungle in there!!
Thanks and we will see. They are a bit big right now and haven't started stretching yet. So this should get interesting :) I am trying to decide if I should leave them all as is or if I should trim off the lower fan leaves.
 
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Thanks and we will see. They are a bit big right now and haven't started stretching yet. So this should get interesting :) I am trying to decide if I should leave them all as is or if I should trim off the lower fan leaves.

You still have the first few weeks to cut off extra foliage you think is not being used. This way the plant has time to stretch and fill in . Revealing the dark/or shaded areas needing trimming.
 
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Thanks and we will see. They are a bit big right now and haven't started stretching yet. So this should get interesting :) I am trying to decide if I should leave them all as is or if I should trim off the lower fan leaves.

Just as @rmoltis already said..

Just leave them on.. As long as they are not blocking they are only increasing your photosynthesis. :)

If the plant starts yellowing them and or causing issues then I would remove them..

Plants look amazing.. :) Going to be a full house and for sure some fire.

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