Harpua88
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I've heard some good things from a few people about CannaGranny.......you are well liked, and clearly for good reason.OMG, I'm so embarrassed! That's funny when I read that back. Normally I joke on purpose, and folks don't have to point my jokes out to me.
But really I'm not, Granny is coming up to my town to shoot hairs off fleas in a little while, she knows what I meant. Durban Poison is one of my all time favorites. I probably got something here she wants too. My latest shipment was from Dragons Flame and I got enough to share.
I would agree with you 10 - 20 years ago. Outdoor growers have learned how to really push their plants. Especially the greenhouse/Light Deprivation growers. They have the luxury of a controlled environment without the high cost of electricity that a full indoor setup would have.I was referring to places like California where power is really expensive, folks grow cheap weed outside and good stuff inside. The THC is already higher with indoor weed, and we are trying to make it higher still with lighting trickery. Essentially trying to hack into the plant.
I wish I had friends locally that grew dank indoor. I probably have a skewed opinion on it. NY is only a few cents cheaper per kwh than Cali, so most everyone I know does the same as me, starts inside, finishes outside... and most people here don't put in the level of effort to overcome the challenges of this climate that I do (not trying to toot my own horn, it's just a fact) so I get why outdoor has a bad reputation, a majority of it is crap. I've traded ounce for ounce with a few different friends, and all but one left me feeling like I got the short end of the stick... of course I'd never tell them that, I just get out the blunt wraps and let er rip lol. The one guy I know that does do indoor doesn't really know what he's doing and won't take suggestions so it's subpar at best. All the indoor I have access to is either imported commercial mids from Cali or dispo weed. I've even tried the 15/gram "top shelf" stuff from the dispos, average at best. I honestly don't think I've ever even seen top shelf indoor like the folks here on the farm grow. I've had what people said was fire... but it was just mediocre to me. Maybe I'm too picky. Guess I'll have to save up for a proper indoor set up and try for myself one of these years.I was referring to places like California where power is really expensive, folks grow cheap weed outside and good stuff inside. The THC is already higher with indoor weed, and we are trying to make it higher still with lighting trickery. Essentially trying to hack into the plant.
Bangkok on New Year's dayWhat's (where is) that?
In Texas we can grow good pot outdoors but the weather is too unpredictable to be reliable. Sometimes the best time to get a crop done is March thru June or go late, August/September thru November/December. And then there's Summer caterpillar season which can be worse than bud rot.I was referring to places like California where power is really expensive, folks grow cheap weed outside and good stuff inside. The THC is already higher with indoor weed, and we are trying to make it higher still with lighting trickery. Essentially trying to hack into the plant.
I think you mentioned it but you also have some plants indoors. Autos right?And I'm not saying the indoor doesn't get me stoned, sure it does... but usually not for long, I don't want to have to smoke every 20 minutes.
It usually tastes like shit, isn't at a proper moisture level for me to vape, can tell it hasn't had a proper cure, most of the dispo shit is sprayed with fake terps so the smell isn't even indicative of the actual weed. Overall highly disappointing.
Yeah. I don't have high expectations. Don't have the best light. In a closet. Never grown an auto. Never flowered a plant indoors. Gelato has GSC lineage and I don't like GSC. Pretty much doing it out of boredom because I had the freebie seed.I think you mentioned it but you also have some plants indoors. Autos right?
Watch. It'll blow up and produce the fattest, dankest flower you've ever produced. I like GSC. Once it's cured I'll send you my address....Yeah. I don't have high expectations. Don't have the best light. In a closet. Never grown an auto. Never flowered a plant indoors. Gelato has GSC lineage and I don't like GSC. Pretty much doing it out of boredom because I had the freebie seed.
I guess that doesn't necessarily mean I won't like the Gelato... assuming it makes it. It's just the flavor I'm not a fan of, buzz is fine.Watch. It'll blow up and produce the fattest, dankest flower you've ever produced. I like GSC. Once it's cured I'll send you my address....
Still sending you my address......I guess that doesn't necessarily mean I won't like the Gelato... assuming it makes it. It's just the flavor I'm not a fan of, buzz is fine.
That's because it's rather easy to grow a "7", maybe even an "8", but to grow/produce a "10" requires all of the details.......genetics, method, strong enough lights, then the fact that most people pick too early, don't know how to or don't spend the time and attention on curing.......I wish I had friends locally that grew dank indoor. I probably have a skewed opinion on it. NY is only a few cents cheaper per kwh than Cali, so most everyone I know does the same as me, starts inside, finishes outside... and most people here don't put in the level of effort to overcome the challenges of this climate that I do (not trying to toot my own horn, it's just a fact) so I get why outdoor has a bad reputation, a majority of it is crap. I've traded ounce for ounce with a few different friends, and all but one left me feeling like I got the short end of the stick... of course I'd never tell them that, I just get out the blunt wraps and let er rip lol. The one guy I know that does do indoor doesn't really know what he's doing and won't take suggestions so it's subpar at best. All the indoor I have access to is either imported commercial mids from Cali or dispo weed. I've even tried the 15/gram "top shelf" stuff from the dispos, average at best. I honestly don't think I've ever even seen top shelf indoor like the folks here on the farm grow. I've had what people said was fire... but it was just mediocre to me. Maybe I'm too picky. Guess I'll have to save up for a proper indoor set up and try for myself one of these years.
It is customary to pay for a cup of coffee-- B4 trying to Bogart their weed. Whither chivarly.Watch. It'll blow up and produce the fattest, dankest flower you've ever produced. I like GSC. Once it's cured I'll send you my address....
Conversations should go where they go, there's nothing wrong with things taking an interesting turn. :) ......I've thought about how close we're getting to the sun (or surpassing it), and we're at an interesting point in history......we get to witness and be part of the indoor grow revolution, through the difficult phases, the increasing power and efficiency phases, and the "surpass the sun" phase? I can only imagine what there will be 20, 30+ years from now.........a light-producing device the size of a baseball that you hang or stand in the middle of the room that bathes every square foot........My apologies for causing the thread to jump the track and be about indoor vs outdoor. Not my intention at all. My intention was to state that lighting technology has “surpassed” the sun in that we can put down 10x UVB of what the sun does at the surface if we want to. We are beyond striving to match the sun. Outdoors is limited by the atmosphere. Lots of photons just never make it to the planet. Indoors whatever we produce at the light makes it to the plant unfiltered.
I can also put down a higher ppfd than the sun in whatever spectrum I want, and yes I can simulate sunrise and sunset as well as clouds passing over. I can change spectrum within the day, within the season, whatever. All at higher ppfd than what I measure in my back yard. I am not saying this is better than the sun only that matching the sun is not a limit to strive for.
My point is that we are trying to find a loophole in cannabis genetics that we can hack into that produces X, in the case of UVB, X = higher THC.
An example of where we have been successful in exceeding nature is injecting CO2 or running hydroponics instead of organic dirt.
What I am saying is that UV does not seem to fit into the same class as CO2 supplementation for hacking into the plant.
None of this is an indictment on outdoor weed and now I wished I had just kept my mouth shut. I think I’m gonna follow granny’s lead here and do a quiet exit, cheers to all.
You are good, I came across as outdoor = bad indoor = good and I really don't think that. If I were you and that was my takeaway I would have had something to say too, your outdoor game is on point. Again, apologies for my clumsy wording that caused it.Sorry didn't mean to hijack th thread with my little rant lol.
I totally got you........thank you...You are good, I came across as outdoor = bad indoor = good and I really don't think that. If I were you and that was my takeaway I would have had something to say too, your outdoor game is on point. Again, apologies for my clumsy wording that caused it.
What I think is that if someone could give me the recipe to make UV work, even if the values required in whatever spectrum exceed that of the sun at noon on the equator, I can produce that spectrum indoor. In the case of UVB, we can run that power past the outdoor UVB maximum to the point it kills leaves. Think tanning booth. In the increments I have tested from low to plant destruction, I have never seen the THC blip.
Really I was just trying to reach @Harpua88 and I am failing miserably, so I'll take the defeat and hope to do better next time. I wish anyone that wants to dabble in UVB better success than me.
I honestly didn't take it that way, I was just giving my two cents. I know you guys here know good outdoor is a thing, I just think there's a widespread belief that it's subpar across the board. Like if I wanted to sell some of mine to someone that didn't know my deal (which I wouldn't because I'm not a moron) but theoretically, my description would probably omit the word outdoor all together because of that belief... and it's not wrong a lot of the time, simply because it's honestly quite hard to get a top shelf result when mother nature shows no mercy.You are good, I came across as outdoor = bad indoor = good and I really don't think that. If I were you and that was my takeaway I would have had something to say too, your outdoor game is on point. Again, apologies for my clumsy wording that caused it.
What I think is that if someone could give me the recipe to make UV work, even if the values required in whatever spectrum exceed that of the sun at noon on the equator, I can produce that spectrum indoor. In the case of UVB, we can run that power past the outdoor UVB maximum to the point it kills leaves. Think tanning booth. In the increments I have tested from low to plant destruction, I have never seen the THC blip.
Really I was just trying to reach @Harpua88 and I am failing miserably, so I'll take the defeat and hope to do better next time. I wish anyone that wants to dabble in UVB better success than me.
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