growsince79 said:

Why burp if its already too dry?

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I like to sniff. The needle went from 54 to 60 and holding, shes curing, perfectly.

smokedareefer said:

What was the shrink?

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No weigh in, maybe in a week or so. You have lots of Good idears
Edit: actually i trimmed it going in so i don’t have a reference but i’ll remember that for the next jar.

Ponky said:

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You gunna burp that jar or nah?

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I just want to see how high it goes. I figure it's about 75-80% moisture. That would be about 100%rh if the amount in the jar doesn't matter.

Madbud said:

I’m not going to disagree thats buds dry quicker in the oven. I’m looking and think i found a guide for new growers to take the guesswork out of drying but nobody believes it can be this easy. My first surprise was how quickly it lost 30% the first day at 60/60, a dozen times in the past few weeks.

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It's like anything with diffusion going from high to low concentrations, the greater the differential the faster the diffusion from high to low, the less the differential the slower the diffusion, it becomes logarythmithic, the drier it gets, the slower it will lose moisture, unless the drying room is incredibly dry or warm.

I am curious what the easy guide for new growers suggests?.
I'm with @tobh, 60/60 for 10-14 days, and check on them each day after day 10.
But even things like amount of airflow in the room, direction of that airflow, those things change the equation and give you different results. So having a one size fits all guide for this is really difficult unless everyone is drying in the exact same room, with the same volume of plant mass to dead air space, the same air circulation level and pattern, the same degree of trim, dry or wet trimmed? Left on the stem or in drying racks?

All those things change from grower to grower and will affect the expected outcome.

I'm still curious to see what you're up to though.

Edit: oops..lol, only read page 1. Guess I have some catching up to do.

Dirtbag, thanks for stopping in, see you’re popping some new clones. In a nutshell, when the bud or cuttings daily weight loss gets below 10%, say 10 g to 9.2, she’s ready to cure. Mostly i’ve been drying at 60ish/60ish temp and rh but think this may still be relatable outside that preferred range.

Madbud said:

Dirtbag, thanks for stopping in, see you’re popping some new clones. In a nutshell, when the bud or cuttings daily weight loss gets below 10%, say 10 g to 9.2, she’s ready to cure. Mostly i’ve been drying at 60ish/60ish temp and rh but think this may still be relatable outside that preferred range.

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Ahhh gotcha. That makes sense, interesting theory. I'll have to read more of the thread later on.

Madbud said:

Dirtbag, thanks for stopping in, see you’re popping some new clones. In a nutshell, when the bud or cuttings daily weight loss gets below 10%, say 10 g to 9.2, she’s ready to cure. Mostly i’ve been drying at 60ish/60ish temp and rh but think this may still be relatable outside that preferred range.

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I feel an apology is owed. I was... in a shameful state. No excuses being given, just owning I was a dick. However, I appreciate the respect offered not @ing me to further instigate emotions.

I see we're of the same mind after revisiting this and @Dirtbag disregarding my don't @ me post. He's another breed, them damn Canucks. Jk DB, you know I got love for you and your Northern brethren.

I get where you're coming from and after actually reading through the full thread, regardless of the digression to growing techniques, I think you've further reaffirmed all of our initial assumptions. The dependence on one-size-fits-all doesn't apply. That's the first part. The pursuit for when is it appropriate to jar, well, fuck man.. That's as much a feel thing as an emotion or a fart in the wind. You win some you lose some, so long you're upwind of the asshole talking shit.

Without having a fully controlled facility where every variable that can be controlled, is controlled, consistency isn't going to happen. The biggest variable in question is the plant's genetics. You simply can't control those, that's Mother Nature you're fuckin with and one plant cloned from the same mom as it's siblings will not behave the same way. Without the full process being automated to tolerances of a thousandth of an inch there will be differentials that are just out of human control, and those differentials will influence "when is the right time to cure."

Further, taking the time to weigh individual "control" buds to determine a plant has lost enough water mass weighed against whatever a hygrometer is reading is simply not scalable.

Like I said initially, I'm an engineer. A software engineer for full transparency, so all the mechanical, civil, structural, electrical, REAL engineers get your kicks -- I know, it's the lowest barrier of entry to the title. However, I deal with highly scalable architecture and apply those concepts to everything I do and subsequently looking at the variables for the question initially posited, I maintain it depends and has to be addressed for each environment, grower, and genetics. There's no "the flowers lost n weight over x days, so it's time to cure". That, to me, reads like a recipe for losing weight due to reading numbers and not what nature's law says. I'll stand on my ivory tower of 60/60 for 10-14 days, if 14 days hits and they're not ready, chuck the buds into paper bags and rely on the feel (emotion) and reduce risk of uncertainty.

At the end of the day it's about moving fast, breaking things, and reducing risk.

I engineered a way of weighing the whole plant
Clarkson ‘77

guaranteed that's not the real weight of that plant. your tiny scale in comparison to the various physical forces being exerted on that platter from the plant is not going to give an accurate reading. just saying. good luck though bro.

tobh said:

guaranteed that's not the real weight of that plant. your tiny scale in comparison to the various physical forces being exerted on that platter from the plant is not going to give an accurate reading. just saying. good luck though bro.

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That’s why its called a scale

A digital fish scale would come in handy for that. But I agree with tobh that trying to refine the art of curing to a mathematical science is a real long shot, and not likely to be that accurate. Also I feel like a slow dry is just as critical as a good cure, so I'm not convinced it would allow for creating an equal quality product outside the parameters of the recommended 60/60 for 10-14 for drying. Unless maybe you dry it colder and longer, but I don't think drying warmer and faster is a good plan regardless how the cure goes.
But I do like the innovative thinking involved.

Drying and curing properly is one of the trickiest things to get right for most growers simply because it is a bit of an art. There are too many variables that influence the outcome.

60/60 imo makes a word of difference.

The speed at which water movement from inner to outer is imo crucial. Keep it a nice cool environment with nice slow and even movement of water from inner to outer bud goes a long way to preserving terps, falvinoids etc.

Doesn't matter how well the cure is if you lose a significant amount through the drying process.

Aqua Man said:

60/60 imo makes a word of difference.

The speed at which water movement from inner to outer is imo crucial. Keep it a nice cool environment with nice slow and even movement of water from inner to outer bud goes a long way to preserving terps, falvinoids etc.

Doesn't matter how well the cure is if you lose a significant amount through the drying process.

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60/60 results in a 30% weight(water) loss in the first day, food for thought.

Madbud said:

60/60 results in a 30% weight(water) loss in the first day, food for thought.

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How can you say that? It's impossible.

I think I need to go back and read this cause something in here stinks to high heaven of misinterpreted info.

But let me just say there are all sorts of factors at play like density of the bud, air movement, resin production etc. You ABSOLUTELY cannot just test one bud and apply that info to all...

Nope doesn't work that way.

Flat_Eric said:

There is a general consensus that bud looses 80% of it's weight when drying.
Personally, I find it to be higher.

I have not weighed individual buds. I have done it by the box. Which gives a better spread of the type of buds weighed. However, they are all on twigs to enable hanging, but off the twig for the final weigh in. 90% losses. As high as 93% when no RH meter was used. I have done this many times, though not since using RH as a guide. Which has led to heavier buds I'm sure.


Some pics here show strings put back'n'forth in tents, to hang from. I did similar but my strings are back n forth within a cardboard box. Typical sized boxes, like 30x30x40 so no entire frames being hung. 250mm 'trimming sized' bits at most, and just as many bits a couple of inches long. Roughly 5oz per box dried. This is a nice method for a few reasons, one being, you can weigh it.


Fairly soon I will be chopping 'trimming sized' bits off, trimming, and laying them in mushroom trays. This will give me chance to do a more modern weigh in.
I like shroom boxes. It's a bit like hanging nets, but free from your local curry takeaway. They are designed to stack shrooms without keeping any damp in. I like to half fill them, but have got near the top before. Which is fine, as a day later it's half the size. I just stick um in the then empty veg tent, with a circulatory fan and extract set with an RH controller.
Methods like this allow bulk weighing, to assess what is going on. If that's what you want to do.

I will suck a lot of water out early on, with low RH, but not enough to dry the outer leaves. I want everything at 60% and never below, but see no gain in waiting to get there. It's days at and above 60% that count. Days at 70 don't count for any more than days at 60. It's just an extra day risking mould. So I get it down as quick as I can, without the outsides dipping below 60 from trying too hard.

I hope that's all relevant

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Very relevant.

Even the difference in temp of drying can influence the evaporation of oils containing terps, flavinoids etc... under a low temp they remain under I high temp gone. And that can influence the dry weight. Even things like silica can.

This is one of the.... there is no answer but there are guidelines and for a reason kinda things.

Madbud said:

60/60 results in a 30% weight(water) loss in the first day, food for thought.

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Can you express that in grams as well?

Next we'll need a volunteer to wet trim the buds onto a net

Aqua Man said:

How can you say that? It's impossible.

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Closer to a 15% weight loss is what i would have expected based on my world.

Second post on this thread shows 85% rh after 72 hr on the nets drying. Never weighed but my guess is a 15%+ weight loss?????

smokedareefer said:

Closer to a 15% weight loss is what i would have expected based on my world.

Second post on this thread shows 85% rh after 72 hr on the nets drying. Never weighed but my guess is a 15%+ weight loss?????

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Yeah hard to say but idk 30% in those conditions seems like an awful lot to me too. Especially with large dense buds.