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I use H&G coco nutrients but I'm not very happy with them, want to use different formula for veg and flower...
What dont you like about H&G.I ve thought about switchig to them.I use H&G coco nutrients but I'm not very happy with them, want to use different formula for veg and flower...
I use H&G coco nutrients but I'm not very happy with them, want to use different formula for veg and flower...
Coco coir just isn't like other media. It has a lot of unique physical and chemical properties that might actually make typical hydroponic nutrients less than ideal. Most hydroponic products assume that you will use something like rockwool, perlite, clay pebbles, air, or water as a medium, and design their nutrient balance around these kinds of media deliver nutrients. But because coconut fiber is unique, it might actually retain certain nutrients while releasing others at a faster rate. This means that your plants might suffer from a nutrient deficiency even if the nutrients appear to be perfectly balanced in your reservoir. Rinse with Freshwater Before Use - One of primary concerns of using coconut coir as a hydroponic medium is salt content. Coconut husks have a naturally high amount of salt, and that might negatively affect your conductivity and cause salt buildup. Most of the higher quality coconut coir is thoroughly rinsed before it is sold, but much of the cheaper coconut fiber you find usually contains high levels of salt. If you can, opt for the higher quality, pre rinsed medium. But either way, you should rinse it with fresh, pH balanced water before placing it in your growing trays or buckets.
If the nutrients you're using are not designed to be coco coir safe, you'll not only be missing out on the gigantic yields you could be getting using coco coir... you run the risk poisoning or starving your plants. Only the highest quality, chelated forms of magnesium and calcium are able to succeed in a growing environment that uses coco coir.
If you like H&G run the Aqua Flakes.
Besides being a quote from Advanced you have a lot of experience in this right? Because I can say that's a bunch of bullshit. Coco doesn't need special nutes. Maybe it needs special water also? lol.
they are good no doubt, all their products are very strong, but I want go grow with different formula on basic nutrient for veg and for flowering, I saw that H&G have coco nutrients for vega and for flores too, may be they are only for UK, don't know... anyone use them?What dont you like about H&G.I ve thought about switchig to them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he meant they need "special" nutrients. Most of the big nutrient manufacturers make specific lines of products for certain substrates i.e., Canna Coco, H&G Coco, ect., so these companies make nutrients specifically for coco coir and they also make nutes for soil and recirc. systems. I don't know if he got that from Advanced Nutrients but either way he is right,
if you have plants growing in coco and you feed them something designed for soil your gonna end up with deficiencies because coco coir absorbs and releases nutrients differently then soil, same goes with recirc. systems. I don't know, maybe you misunderstood what he said, but what did he say that's such bullshit????
I didn't say they have nutes for every specific media, everybody knows coco is alot different then soil. Why would you need nutes for rockwool or hydroton when that is considered hydro and they make nutes for that?? I understand what you meant, you were trying to make a point and being sarcastic but rockwool and hydroton don't absorb nutes like coco does. Not everyone wants to tweak there own formulas or have time to do so. A nute line specifically designed for coco is great so somebody thats new to the media could just use a basic 2 part and get great results with that.
Alot of those lines like PBP that you said is made for all mediums end up needing you to add supplements when growing in coco, but Fox Farm trio I'm using in soil right now with no deficiencies at all. Now if I use FF in coco I bet I end up with deficiencies because the ratios are different then lines formulated for coco and I'm sure they don't have enough CaMg.
You really haven't used any of these nutes have you? CNS17 has tons of Calmg in it as do most nutes. A lot of Calmg issues are related to PH swings from unexperienced growers. I haven't used calmg in a while except in foliar spray at the beginning for flower. Coco is a soilless hydroponic medium. Just like rockwool and hydroton. Believe what you want but most of what has been said is false or hype. If you want to buy into that that go for it. Just don't discount stuff about coco and don't believe a lot of what is quoted because it is simply not true. As far as GH 3 part you dont have to tweak the formula. You can if you want to. Plenty of charts and feed schedules. I use CNS17 for veg and FNB for flower. Why because they are one part and I dont have time to spend 8 hrs a day in my rooms. I also don't have to add anything else if I don''t want to.
Again take it for what you will. Coco nutes are a joke. Just buy regular nutes and save your money and time.
Ok, I know exactly what you are saying and I'm sure alot of companies purposely make all these different types of nutes just to make more money, your right about that. AN for example has over 20 (maybe more) different bottles of stuff which IMO is totally unnecessary, but, it's really not a big deal if you buy nutes specific for coco because they cost the same as there soil or recirc. counterparts. So if I'm growing 10 plants in coco and I have the choice between Canna Coco A+B or Canna Vega+Flores why not get the coco formula?? The price is the same and the Coco has slightly different ingrediants that better suits coco coir. Even if I got the Vega and Flores they cost the same but it doesn't have as much CalMag compared to Coco A+B, right??
No idea. Never ran anything from canna except their loose coco. Too expensive. Does it list Ca? If you have to add it then you need better nutes.
The Terra and the Aqua are almost the same:
Terra Vega = 7 - 3 - 8.5
Terra Flores = 5 - 4.5 - 9.5
Aqua Vega = 6 - 2 - 8
Aqua Flores = 5 - 3 - 10
Coco = 5 - 3 - 4
Coco has less K. That would account for coco locking up and releasing K as it breaks down. That's great but I don't reuse my coco as a lot of people I know don't so that has never really been a problem or an issue. Again coco nutes work not saying they dont but you dont need coco specific nutes to grow non nute deficient dank in coco. After seeing those numbers I would prob only use the coco for everything (soil, hydro, and coco). I agree with you there on the Advanced.
GH had some serious salt content in my coco. just given u a heads up, used hygrozyme to help. I switched to h&g aqua flakes (recommended instead of thier cocos mix) had better results. Seen dutch master do good things too.