MIMedGrower
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Like I said you don't understand that I'm feeding the soil. Building microbial life to the best balance possible. The system then does the fine tuning. Not so much feeding as driving microbes to create enzymatic reactions.My family are not botanists. I am the only grower. They are scientists and medical doctors.
I only mentioned them so you would know the educational environment I grew up in.
You mention reading 50 papers @Organikz . Try 50 books. I'm working on it.
I was not trying to argue. I came in inquisitive. You keep preaching but with limited and agenda filled info. I already know the science. What I have not seen except outside is great results. You have a thread about inputs. You say you do it for the aminos and hormones. The truth is you are feeding nutrients to the plants.
I need facts and real trials. And I said if you show results I will have to listen.
Please stop alerting me. And you won't have to feel the need to argue.
And @firstcitizen you are right and I agree with you. However, the info shared must be correct and not arguable if the poster expects agreement.
Conjecture based on science is not science. But it tends to be perceived as a method on these forums. And sold as fact.
Smoking now. :)
Like I said you don't understand that I'm feeding the soil. Building microbial life to the best balance possible. The system then does the fine tuning. Not so much feeding as driving microbes to create enzymatic reactions.
This is called Building soil. Hence build a soil...
I presented science as asked....what else...
Is this shit for real...man you are very confused. If we all were utilizing CEC ph up and down would not exist. You're good at sounding like you know what the hell you're talking about. You even actually got a like from it"Not so much feeding as driving microbes......."
Your words.
We are all only feeding the soil. Read about cation exchange in different mediums.
You only present info you know that seems to support your agenda.
And have ignored all of my points.
Like I said. When you have a full understanding of plant science and container gardening then you might get better responses from experienced knowledgeable growers.
Until then you are a no till noob hobbyist.
I have met families that have had organic pot farms for decades.
I will ignore future responses. It takes time to learn all of this stuff. I studied for quite a few years before I started growing. And I have had a lifetime "working" in the cannabis industry with other growers since the 80's.
You think I have not had discussions with an organic wanna be hippy grower before? Do you really think because organics has become popular in cannabis cultivation that the info is new and you have discovered something special?
Learn about all methods and science involved. Grow consistently and show excellent results. Then chime in and try to help and teach.
Until then you are just copying words. Anyone can read a textbook. Few really bother to learn.
Sorry. You have managed to test my patience.
I will back off moderators. I know it's enough already.
we have been making nutrients using fermentation techniques learned in the far east for many years. We are pretty close to any locally made nutrients, and we take away the headaches of trying to source many of the items required. But, I totally agree, as someone who makes his own nutrients, there is little better than resonant help.dont buy any at all,,make them yourself,,check out korean natural farming,true organic nutrients,in my opinion .
Ok yes, Nitrogen is in the air, its is not in plant form, nor is it when its in many of its pre existing organic forms.There is N and P being made in the soil. Microbes carry DNA. As they consume one another, split, die etc nucleic and amino acids are released. Remember we also return the biomass to the soil. What was taken is returned with a small cut taken. The enzymes generated via the soil food web handle the rest.
:-)Excellent post!
I would like to know where micronutrients come in. There is far more testing going on with soil content from different regions where better pot tends to come from. And tests showing things like iron promotes thc and manganese promotes cbd have come up.
I understand the soil web but don't really see that without supplementing pretty much everything you could reliably get the results I look for inside and in flower pots.
I cheat and grow as long as I can water only with an organic base soil and add nutrients when it is depleted. I do this as I believe plants are using more than the accepted 17 elements to grow to their potential. And that soluble nutrients in the ground are the reason there is more growth in some places than other.
a whole array of trace elements are instantly available in seaweed. The hormones are a bonus.
And humic acid is a natural chealater anyway so we are still feeding plants soluble nutrients the whole time we water in organic growing.
messing about with growth hormones didnt do the chicken industry any favours, nor did it help beef farmers or dairy farmers, now these people have fucked up vets bills for abnomral growths and puss balls in cartons of milk. I just think we need to really understand what GH are and do before we set about trying to increase them.I am still a firm believer in MBP. The water only was just an example it can be done. The worms eat trimmings and shade leaves that die off. It isn't driving max potential. I agree. The MBP is a great food source for worms and in fact is like alfalfax10 in the fact of increasing cytokinosis in them as well. As you cam see it also supplies what NPK factor is truly after...these nucleic acids. Look at nucleic acids as the filet cut of a cow in reference to the target NPK feed.
if energy is being transfered in to a state we cant capitalize on, what is the point? I am not saying we destroy per say, rather we convert in to something less favorable for us, why would we knowingly do this?@Ecompost
Thanks for all that info. I might throw that one in my big ass PDF. I agree that it's a balancing act. I know you've read up on nutrient cycling. I agree that it's a well choreographed process. You must utilize a good mix of legumes and dynamic accumulators along with mulch in order to hold onto that nitrogen. Any escaping nitrogen will get grabbed up by those legumes and mulch. This is the purpose of clover.
You stated that something can't be made from nothing. Its true. However here's what Einstein said based off of what you said.
"No matter or energy can be created nor destroyed, only transferred."
Is this sort of growing for everyone? Hell no,. You need to understand soil biology, soil nutrient mobility, and soil solution chemistry.
i dont think mocking anyone is that helpful. i like Masa but I dont enjoy the stupidity of mocking people whose nature it is to detail the minute and so fail to focus on a bigger image. if my essay is how does bacillus subtilus impact root enzyme activity and nitrogen uptake in tomatoes, it would be a waste of my time to consider what else is occurring. I would merely try to answer the question presented, not the one about god.We have our moments but @MIMedGrower and i see through different opinions. My mom was a hippie ornamental tree nursery greenhouse manager. His family was botanists.
So you can see the preprogrammed thinking differs. I'm an open minded day tripper. He's a scientist in need of hard copy. However science is still opinion based on observation. Science has been disproved and altered time and time again especially regarding nature. Is the earth flat? Does the sun revolve around the earth? That big bright thing in the sky wont come up unless i sacrifice a virgin. Don't cling to ideas. It's not always that simple.
Masanobu mocks scientist as they focus on single brush strokes to the masterpiece we call nature.
anyone managing nutrients well is doing the world a favor buddy :-)I even use Blumat to keep my soil nutrient mobility up. This also prevents all runoff so nothing is ever washed out.
I'm not following. The clover will also capture atmospheric nitrogen and put it into the soil. We always want reserves in the tank. Clover will also trade nitrogen for phosphorus in the form of carbohydrates via exudates.if energy is being transfered in to a state we cant capitalize on, what is the point? I am not saying we destroy per say, rather we convert in to something less favorable for us, why would we knowingly do this?
this depends on levels of Ca. Without relevant ca levels, the clover can not bridge the N made to the clays and so net net it all gets lost through volatilization. Insufficient P in the system will fail clover anyway.I'm not following. The clover will also capture atmospheric nitrogen and put it into the soil. We always want reserves in the tank. Clover will also trade nitrogen for phosphorus in the form of carbohydrates via exudates.
perhaps you might take a look at UrsI'm not following. The clover will also capture atmospheric nitrogen and put it into the soil. We always want reserves in the tank. Clover will also trade nitrogen for phosphorus in the form of carbohydrates via exudates.
in order for this model to work, you also need the Ca handshake for the Myco symbiosis. its never that simpleI'm not following. The clover will also capture atmospheric nitrogen and put it into the soil. We always want reserves in the tank. Clover will also trade nitrogen for phosphorus in the form of carbohydrates via exudates.
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