Why do my girls curl

[KingBvM]

@boomgagem and @Aqua Man

I have dialed in my environment.
So I have discovered a few problems:
The start of mildew( Treated with neem oil)
Some type of catapilar (Treated with BT pest)
Low humidity (Got a humidifier stays @ 60%)
High zoom PPMs 1400+ I was frying the root system which was causing the leaves to curl because there was not enough oxygen in the mwdium and not enough root mass to uptake water and nutes( dropped the PPM's to under 600 and will gradually raise ever two days. Im now using sensi bloom that way I'm not building large amounts of N inside my pot. Im using mammoth and bush doctor root drench every other daybso I can rebuild the root system as well. Check her out

 

[Aqua Man]

@boomgagem and @Aqua Man

I have dialed in my environment.
So I have discovered a few problems:
The start of mildew( Treated with neem oil)
Some type of catapilar (Treated with BT pest)
Low humidity (Got a humidifier stays @ 60%)
High zoom PPMs 1400+ I was frying the root system which was causing the leaves to curl because there was not enough oxygen in the mwdium and not enough root mass to uptake water and nutes( dropped the PPM's to under 600 and will gradually raise ever two days. Im now using sensi bloom that way I'm not building large amounts of N inside my pot. Im using mammoth and bush doctor root drench every other daybso I can rebuild the root system as well. Check her out View attachment 991062
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Looks like you Kickin ass and taken names now bro .

Can't really help ya on the treatments. Just don't have the knowledge.

 

[Dirtbag]

Neem for mildew is a bad idea..
The heavy hitter for PM is sulphur and you cant use it within 3 weeks of a neem application. And neem will not stop PM.

 

[Dirtbag]

Btw your username has me curious @KingBvM, are you in emergency services? Makes me think king airway with a bag valve mask. Though technically you dont use the mask with a king, just the bag valve.. lol

 

[KingBvM]

Neem for mildew is a bad idea..
The heavy hitter for PM is sulphur and you cant use it within 3 weeks of a neem application. And neem will not stop PM.

I had no idea I'm using a mix sns 244 to stop the mildew and neem to stop the spread.

So Sulphur in a spray will help?

It is not a lot and it spread fe Ok m mt plants i bought from a dispensery.

 

[KingBvM]

update
She loves 600-650 PPM range for now I’ll up the PPM’s in about a week. Her recovery from the transplant was amazing . I dipped the root ball in a bucket of Super thrive and fox farm root drench. Then showered the bottom and sides of her new home with great white.

 

[KingBvM]

Btw your username has me curious @KingBvM, are you in emergency services? Makes me think king airway with a bag valve mask. Though technically you dont use the mask with a king, just the bag valve.. lol

King because thats my real name and it means check yourself constantly to win the game if life and bvm is bam the a is upside down because im dyslexic and I think its cool that I keep pushing even though i have disabilities more than one

 

[KingBvM]

@Aqua Man @boomgagem @Dirtbag Is an update on the girls. Im lst and Scrogg until she fills out my 4x8 then turning. She likes sensi bloom and ppms no higher that 800 if I go higher I start to see darker leaves and a slow down. She has tripled her size and I will switch to bloom cycle in the beginning of September when it starts to get cooler so i don't have to fight with the heat.

 

[growsince79]

Yeah bro, that plant in coco, should be getting fed every watering. I feed mine until a little runoff twice per day

How little coco can if have and still be treated like coco? OP is only using 40% coco. If he were using 25% coco 50%perlite,25% vermiculite would you still water like coco?

 

[Aqua Man]

@Aqua Man @boomgagem @Dirtbag Is an update on the girls. Im lst and Scrogg until she fills out my 4x8 then turning. She likes sensi bloom and ppms no higher that 800 if I go higher I start to see darker leaves and a slow down. She has tripled her size and I will switch to bloom cycle in the beginning of September when it starts to get cooler so i don't have to fight with the heat.

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Gonna be close I think to make it to the beggining of sept... May end up pretty cramped in there bro.

 

[Aqua Man]

How little coco can if have and still be treated like coco? OP is only using 40% coco. If he were using 25% coco 50%perlite,25% vermiculite would you still water like coco?

The less coco and more Perlite the more fertigation needed. I also agree that it should be fed with nutrients at every fertigation event and should achieve run off.

 

[growsince79]

The less coco and more Perlite the more fertigation needed. I also agree that it should be fed with nutrients at every fertigation event and should achieve run off.

I didn't think I made my point well. What if you had 45%perlite,45% Vermiculite,10% coco? At some point you can't just treat it like coco can you?
Cocoloco for example has coco in the mix but gets watered like soil.

 

[Aqua Man]

I didn't think I made my point well. What if you had 45%perlite,45% Vermiculite,10% coco? At some point you can't just treat it like coco can you?
Cocoloco for example has co o in the mix but gets watered like soil.

You don't treat it like anything ppl describe it as coco but it's based on the drainage. You could grow in pure perlite... Bit with that drainage you likely to have to fertigate every 30min to an hour... It's not really the type or brand of media it's the amount of drainage and water holding capacity.

 

[growsince79]

You don't treat it like anything ppl describe it as coco but it's based on the drainage. You could grow in pure perlite... Bit with that drainage you likely to have to fertigate every 30min to an hour... It's not really the type or brand of media it's the amount of drainage and water holding capacity.

I've seen plants drown in perlite-vermiculite mixes. IDK why adding a bit of Coco would make a big difference.

 

[KingBvM]

I have another emlty tent 4x8 I'm bleaching & air drying today to move her

 

[growsince79]

To be honest I looked at the solo cup plants and the soil. The soil looks to be really dark. Like it has a lot of water content. That with the puffy leaves and the new growth looking slightly deformed looks to be over watered. But now the other side, you are going to find people that water with coco like up to 5 times a day. If you are in a 70/30 mix of coco to perlite I have had problems with over watering. If you are over watering it is slight. When I have had plants in 70/30 over watered I picked up the pot and it was heavy. Plants in Coco the pot should have little weight before watering.

Now add Vermiculite and it would be even more overwatered.

 

[KingBvM]

How little coco can if have and still be treated like coco? OP is only using 40% coco. If he were using 25% coco 50%perlite,25% vermiculite would you still water like coco?

Mp

I have setup an automated watering system on a timer she get watered 9 times a day. The timer comes on for 75 sec and it runs of 15%. The ppms going in are 760-800 and the run off is around the same.

 

[KingBvM]

I dont know how it make a difference but it is working and my roots are massive ill show you guys when I repot in to a ten gal from a five gal. I will repot today as well before I move her to the 4x8

 

[KingBvM]

Now add Vermiculite and it would be even more overwatered.

I have noticed the the vermiculite help with the balance of the cal mag when i didn't add vermiculite I had a calcium deficiency.

 

[Aqua Man]

Now add Vermiculite and it would be even more overwatered.

It all depends on the size of containers. The benefit of coco is you can grow full plants in a 1 gal and yes you will need to fertigate 5-6x a day. But if in 5gal then you likely much less. Watering should be done at the volume approximately 5% of the volume of the media and getting about 10-20% run off. If your not getting that runoff you need to increase the frequency of your getting more you can reduce the frequency.