$OIL BED$ OF WHITE FIR3, COOKIE$, AND $FV OG

[delae632]

Day 54

SFV

GSC Forum cut

WiFi #3

 

[EveryOneSmokes]

Wow Looking killer D.. That sfv looks on point gee, Bring the heat digging the whole room... :snaphappy::cool:

 

[QleanerQuest]

Hell yeah! Kiillin it once again homie! Looks like you really got the Forum cut dialed in. No easy task from what I hear. Greatjob on all of them fir that matter. Beds of Fire definitly still blazin!!! Peace.
Quest

 

[delae632]

Day 57

SFV

GSC Forum cut

White Fire #3

AVALANCHE!!! LMAO Pretty much the whole room is sideways now. I should have put that second trellis on.:confused: Not great for taking pics...

 

[delae632]

Did the GSC even give u a few Duds? Every run I get a plant that freaks out & duds out.. It's always the smallest plant in the garden.. My guess was the smaller plant didn't have the root mass like the bigger plants & couldn't keep up with the heavy feeding.. I never figured it out.. This run 2 plants turned out like crap.. FPOG & Yeti og took a shit on me this run.. I'm leaning on plant health now b'cuz yeti & FPOG plus a few others when in2 bloom hella beat up.. We'll see b'cuz this run I got another FPOG & the white that went in2 bloom pretty ugly juss 2 fill some empty space.. If they dud out then it's got 2 b plant health..

No duds on the GSC, they all seem to be on the WF#3. I've only seen it happen on OG's so far and we all know OG's are some of the sickliest looking plants out there. lol Let me know what happens with this run homie.

have dealt with dud branches outdoor long before there was ever the term dud lol i still contend it's a fungal issue .. fussarium oxysporum or solani.. i have not seen one for a while ..but i am ready to send the next branch that duds to a lab for ident ..
in this day and age of the cannabis plant it's more important than ever to start from older non infected seed as many pathogens are past on through the use of infected parent stock ..there are slews of breeders producing a shit ton of future problems , you need to be a good grower to get paid growing flowers but you can suck at growing to produce seed and i believe a lot of breeders have switched from flowers to seed because they suck at growing .. i will not name names... trading of clones is an extremely risky practice with so many of these over hyped clones going into and out of less than skilled gardens with less than clean practices .. 10 years ago we never had all these isues and it's because the mass practice of trading clone stock has gotten out of hand ,a pathogen started and ended in that garden .. growing used to be simple now it's like russian roulette .. lol ok just had to get that off my back

was just talking about the first smart beds i did , beds rule

btw lookin good D

I was talking with Hdoc about this today. He seems to think this dud thing is due to genetic drift. I would absolutely LOVE to see what a lab test shows. I totally agree with you Obs, these problems seemed to kind of pop out of nowhere and it could be the beginning of a very serious issue.

Thanks for stopping by and putting in your .02 man, it's much appreciated.

Shoot Im still running the 200g smarties!

And way true man, the shittiness of the breeder shows through in seeds lately too. Ive had numerous plants that lose consistency, health, etc after 2-3 generations of cloning. Serious deterioration of the plant and have to be tossed.

Too true man....

I did a side-by-side about 8 month ago in my rooms with Sour Diesel
6000ws
120 per table
4'x8'x8" (160gallons of soil) vs. 5'x10'x8" (250gallons soil)
Plants were thinned for single buds and allowed to reach 3-4' in height... In the 4x8 room (2) tables produced 10# and the (2) 5x10's produced 15#...
Problem with the 5x10's was the weight... I had my A/C cut out in the next run and humidity reached 90-100%. The floors became so wet and weak the casters on the beds went right through...fuckin' mess...

Very interesting indeed. Do you line your beds with plastic or anything? Having the casters pop through sounds like a major pain in the ass...a very very heavy pain in the ass.

Wow Looking killer D.. That sfv looks on point gee, Bring the heat digging the whole room... :snaphappy::cool:

Thanks brotha! I haven't diverted from the H16 pro feed chart much at all, other than adding a little extra CalMag here and there and to hit 'em with a bit of tea. I'm liking it so far.

Hell yeah! Kiillin it once again homie! Looks like you really got the Forum cut dialed in. No easy task from what I hear. Greatjob on all of them fir that matter. Beds of Fire definitly still blazin!!! Peace.
Quest

Thank ya sir! I am definitely not impressed with the Forum cut...yet. The nugs are just so damn small it's crazy. The final weight will decide her fate for sure. I do plan on doing a bit of work with her though, I have a reversed Forum cut going outside right now that's about to bust.;) I like the strain but she's just a wimp.

nice man,you know your doin it when shit starts goin sideways like that.wifi #3 lookin all chubbed out nice :)

They got that gangster lean. lmao Thanks for checkin' it out six. No pm on these girls thanks to e20 being sprayed on my mothers almost 2 years ago.:cool:

 

[pussOGbrah]

duds suck man i feel your pain..

When i first got my og cuts, first run almost every plant was a dud...:depressed:

i've had many, many runs since, same cut, no duds ever any more. Just crippy oG, thank godd.

the theory i have is that my first round i went pretty hard on nutes (nova bloom @~1.8 e.c.) and my plants were rootbound, or nearing rootboundness when i flipped to flower.

I got rid of my duds by transplanting a few days before they are flipped so they have alot of room to make roots during first 30ish days of flower..I think this is more important for og's and sativas than indica type plants, i think sats grow more roots longer into flower cycle. I also started feeding lower at ~1.0-1.2 ec.

Again this is all just my gut, but the results are no duds, so something is working..

I think plants use alot of phos and cal to build their roots.. So if they are rootbound and not in vigorous root growth mode, overfeeding phos can build up to toxic levels either in plant or rootsystem, or both. This especially effects og's because they are sensitive in the first place....

curious of the status of your roots when you flipped this round..

and btw other than duds, room looks great and gsc looks chron! Peace

 

[green bastard]

everythings looking great in your room!....sick setup sick plants .....great work bro

 

[EveryOneSmokes]

Thanks brotha! I haven't diverted from the H16 pro feed chart much at all, other than adding a little extra CalMag here and there and to hit 'em with a bit of tea. I'm liking it so far.

@delae so ur up there in the ppms, how high are u hitting them currently? I was looking at there calculator and was so tripped out on how high there feeding on there heavy Pro and heavy programs.. I usually stay really light and use teas more often, but ur girls look like there beasting out.. The wifi#3 looks like a chunky girl..

 

[EveryOneSmokes]

have dealt with dud branches outdoor long before there was ever the term dud lol i still contend it's a fungal issue .. fussarium oxysporum or solani.. i have not seen one for a while ..but i am ready to send the next branch that duds to a lab for ident ..
in this day and age of the cannabis plant it's more important than ever to start from older non infected seed as many pathogens are past on through the use of infected parent stock ..there are slews of breeders producing a shit ton of future problems , you need to be a good grower to get paid growing flowers but you can suck at growing to produce seed and i believe a lot of breeders have switched from flowers to seed because they suck at growing .. i will not name names... trading of clones is an extremely risky practice with so many of these over hyped clones going into and out of less than skilled gardens with less than clean practices .. 10 years ago we never had all these isues and it's because the mass practice of trading clone stock has gotten out of hand ,a pathogen started and ended in that garden .. growing used to be simple now it's like russian roulette .. lol ok just had to get that off my back

was just talking about the first smart beds i did , beds rule

btw lookin good D

@obsoul33t I was thinking the same thing in regards to the duds going around..I was figuring it was Pythium, fungal pathogen in the clones been passed.. I've had gsc and valley og dud out on me, I'm about to try and nurse back a cut and see if this was the issue..

Mybad for bring this issue back up
D, but I'm curious on why this is occurring, and I wonder if the fungus pathogen travels systemically from cut to
Cut or it is more susceptible since the spores are dormant in the cut...

 

[manicgrower]

Everythings lookin beautiful my friend!

 

[GR33NL3AF]

Ya, when I build custom beds from wood I put down visqueen first then fabric liners. Need the fabric to keep the medium from clogging the drains.

In my newer rooms I have just gone back to using 4x8 plastic trays with smart pot liners.

 

[soserthc1]

As usual still killing it D, always a pleasure to view your work , in the home stretch now - best of luck for a bountiful harvest but if there all hang over like that its gotta be nice and heavy buds ....

 

[true grit]

Did you find any commonality in the location of dud branches vs room etc?

This run for me was dud free, but I did lose some smell and trich on some wifi27 that were definitley light stressed. Didn't dud like usual but after all was said and done those buds were lacking like a dud and were 100% light stressed for sure. Wonder if since they were not OG dom, they didn't full on dud like a stressed OG would. On the other hand even the light stressed straight OG maintained some trich coverage and their smell.

 

[obsoul33t]

@obsoul33t I was thinking the same thing in regards to the duds going around..I was figuring it was Pythium, fungal pathogen in the clones been passed.. I've had gsc and valley og dud out on me, I'm about to try and nurse back a cut and see if this was the issue..

Mybad for bring this issue back up
D, but I'm curious on why this is occurring, and I wonder if the fungus pathogen travels systemically from cut to
Cut or it is more susceptible since the spores are dormant in the cut...

RCC claims that a fungal pathogen can be passed through to progeny if breeding with infected parental stock so for it to be passed through trading of cuts is positive . some pathogens can lay dormant for 10-15 years

 

[EveryOneSmokes]

RCC claims that a fungal pathogen can be passed through to progeny if breeding with infected parental stock so for it to be passed through trading of cuts is positive . some pathogens can lay dormant for 10-15 years

Dam bro thanks for that info I'm going to see if I can kill the fungal pathogen with a product I seen at the max yield show.. It's suppose to kill the Pythium ..

 

[waayne]

Has anyone tried doing thermo-therapy on these moms that may have fungal issues, and are putting off clones that dud?

I had a White Urkle mom that was always having powdery mildew issues.....two days in a 110 degree room and then a couple of months outdoors got rid of her PM issues........

 

[MakinGoo]

I always wondered if seeds could come "stock" with a infection.. A infected bean ready 2 grow in2 a infected plant.. Spooky shit

 

[budm]

Dam bro thanks for that info I'm going to see if I can kill the fungal pathogen with a product I seen at the max yield show.. It's suppose to kill the Pythium ..

If you're after pythium, hit up @Capulator for addl info on his products. I'm thinking that his Root Pack can help here.

 

[fractaLz]

Nice clean setup, really like your beds... Your pics are also super-styled out, I dig that, props!

 

[delae632]

duds suck man i feel your pain..

When i first got my og cuts, first run almost every plant was a dud...:depressed:

i've had many, many runs since, same cut, no duds ever any more. Just crippy oG, thank godd.

the theory i have is that my first round i went pretty hard on nutes (nova bloom @~1.8 e.c.) and my plants were rootbound, or nearing rootboundness when i flipped to flower.

I got rid of my duds by transplanting a few days before they are flipped so they have alot of room to make roots during first 30ish days of flower..I think this is more important for og's and sativas than indica type plants, i think sats grow more roots longer into flower cycle. I also started feeding lower at ~1.0-1.2 ec.

Again this is all just my gut, but the results are no duds, so something is working..

I think plants use alot of phos and cal to build their roots.. So if they are rootbound and not in vigorous root growth mode, overfeeding phos can build up to toxic levels either in plant or rootsystem, or both. This especially effects og's because they are sensitive in the first place....

curious of the status of your roots when you flipped this round..

and btw other than duds, room looks great and gsc looks chron! Peace

Yeah I don't think it's nutes or root bound plants in my case. Every time i've tried to run a sealed room, and/or higher temps, the Bubbas and OG's dud on me.

everythings looking great in your room!....sick setup sick plants .....great work bro

Thanks GB

@delae so ur up there in the ppms, how high are u hitting them currently? I was looking at there calculator and was so tripped out on how high there feeding on there heavy Pro and heavy programs.. I usually stay really light and use teas more often, but ur girls look like there beasting out.. The wifi#3 looks like a chunky girl..

The ppm's were up there for sure. lol This is my first time using salts and I'm digging it so far. The plants seemed to like it for the most part. I got a lot of premature yellowing and necrosis on fan leaves but that's it. The nugs are swole as can be. I'll definitely be cutting back on the nutes and using more teas in the future, I just wanted to see what the h16 line was all about. I have to say I'm pretty impressed aside from the fan leaf thing.

@obsoul33t I was thinking the same thing in regards to the duds going around..I was figuring it was Pythium, fungal pathogen in the clones been passed.. I've had gsc and valley og dud out on me, I'm about to try and nurse back a cut and see if this was the issue..

Mybad for bring this issue back up
D, but I'm curious on why this is occurring, and I wonder if the fungus pathogen travels systemically from cut to
Cut or it is more susceptible since the spores are dormant in the cut...

No worries man. I'm pretty intrigued by this whole dud thing.

Everythings lookin beautiful my friend!

Thanks brotha!;)

Ya, when I build custom beds from wood I put down visqueen first then fabric liners. Need the fabric to keep the medium from clogging the drains.

In my newer rooms I have just gone back to using 4x8 plastic trays with smart pot liners.

That's crazy they still rotted out on you. I think trays with liners is a good way to go for sure. Thanks for stoppin' through man.

As usual still killing it D, always a pleasure to view your work , in the home stretch now - best of luck for a bountiful harvest but if there all hang over like that its gotta be nice and heavy buds ....

Thanks Sos. I got some punk rock nugs this run, they're all trying to stage dive. lol

Did you find any commonality in the location of dud branches vs room etc?

This run for me was dud free, but I did lose some smell and trich on some wifi27 that were definitley light stressed. Didn't dud like usual but after all was said and done those buds were lacking like a dud and were 100% light stressed for sure. Wonder if since they were not OG dom, they didn't full on dud like a stressed OG would. On the other hand even the light stressed straight OG maintained some trich coverage and their smell.

No not really man. The two plants that dudded are in the same bed. It's the bed with mostly cookies in it, 2 WF#3 and 3 SFV. The WF#3 were the only two plants effected. One is in a corner and doesn't get hit by a fan and the other one is in the center of the bed surrounded by cookies...all fingers point towards some sort of fungal issue from what I'm looking at. The fact that the SFV didn't dud but the #3 did is what's got my head spinning. On top of that there's 3 full beds of #3 without a single dud....It's really bizarre. Last run all my #3 and other White Fires (from seed) fared pretty well but the bed full of Tahoe and LA OG was a complete loss...full bed of dud garbage...:banghead:

RCC claims that a fungal pathogen can be passed through to progeny if breeding with infected parental stock so for it to be passed through trading of cuts is positive . some pathogens can lay dormant for 10-15 years

That's terrifying...:nailbiting:

Dam bro thanks for that info I'm going to see if I can kill the fungal pathogen with a product I seen at the max yield show.. It's suppose to kill the Pythium ..

What is this magic you speak of?

Has anyone tried doing thermo-therapy on these moms that may have fungal issues, and are putting off clones that dud?

I had a White Urkle mom that was always having powdery mildew issues.....two days in a 110 degree room and then a couple of months outdoors got rid of her PM issues........

Interesting waayne. I haven't tried this but am definitely curious to see if anyone else has had success with this method. I may throw all my mothers outdoors for a bit next summer to revitalize them a bit. Too bad it doesn't get very hot here...well not really. lol I love the weather here.

I always wondered if seeds could come "stock" with a infection.. A infected bean ready 2 grow in2 a infected plant.. Spooky shit

It's pretty scary to think about man...within the next 5-10 years this may prove to be a rampant problem. Lets give all those seeds to the green rushers. lol

If you're after pythium, hit up @Capulator for addl info on his products. I'm thinking that his Root Pack can help here.

We'll see what @Capulator has to say. I know you got some duds Cap! lol Any help with bennies?

Nice clean setup, really like your beds... Your pics are also super-styled out, I dig that, props!

Thanks man!