Stop The Bro Science Behind Molasses And Other Organic Stuff

[gravekat303]

Shits n gigs

Aka trolling

 

[brazel]

Just always kind of assumed it was a bunch of bullshit, as is the organic food industry.

Seems to be a lot of anecdotal "evidence" in terms of better tasting/smelling

Go buy organic strawberries at trader Joe's or whole foods, go buy regular strawberries from your grocery store... eat them and report back. ;)

 

[brazel]

Hey guys! I'd like to shed a little more light on Compost tea! I think alot of people get carried away with ingredients and such!

Bubble your water to remove chlorine, then add some humic acids to neutralize the chloramine(dilute this solution BEFORE mixing with water)

Kelp Meal mixed BEFORE putting into your brewer or bucket


Good aerobic compost(.2lbs per gallon) as Elaine Ingham States there should be of thousands of bacteria in each field of view, 1 strand of fungal hyphae in each 5 fields, 1 flagellate or amoebae in each 5 to 10 fields of view and 1 beneficiall nematode per drop. I usually have my scope set at 500x to get proper readings.

If not enough fungi I'll add some oats, if not enough bacteria add some more compost in very small doses and examine again, until your reach the measures from above.

Fish hydroslate is also a very good food! Especially if you don't have a microscope. Don't let recipes get out of hand! Compost and kelp are the best sources and compost is free!

Honestly if you're super into Teas and compostand trying to achieve the best results...a microscope should be your top priority! I recommend you to 2500x. Most of these can be hooked up to a computer which is great when your starting because you can save images and compare to online, and they are usually only about $250! Which is cheap honestly.

Nice but kelp in compost tea!? How much?

 

[brazel]

As a "inorganic" farmer, none of what you just said is accurate in any way.

The organic food industry is a load of shit because it's highly unregulated. It's paying twice as much for the word "organic" on the box in most instances.

Lmao @ yields falling.

The organic industry is bullshit? Lol

Why are nutritional values falling at an alarming rate in the inorganic industry then? Lol

Why are yields and taste falling in the inorganic industry? Lol

Why are more and more fertilizers having to be used by the inorganic industry then? While organic no till farmers are using less and less?

Tons of scientific evidence supporting every one of my claims.

As a "inorganic" farmer, none of what you just said is accurate in any way.

The organic food industry is a load of shit because it's highly unregulated. It's paying twice as much for the word "organic" on the box in most instances.

Lmao @ yields falling.

There's a big difference between an organic farmer and a commercial organic farmer

 

[brazel]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AAmQQFggyMAE&usg=AOvVaw3nakF2o-mVTsZ4j7A9pHfW

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...IBGMQFghJMAU&usg=AOvVaw2ngY0B3QqGjc3bBfaqI1XY

I'm not even going to read those because they have nothing to do with the true organic farmer. I'm sure this is all commercial

 

[brazel]

It isn't imagined that the pot is better. Like I said research influences by enzymatic activities on terpene and canabinoid profiles. Even when there is exoskeleton in the soil a plant reacts. It's why some guys use insect frass. You can't argue a subject you didn't bother looking into.

Research symbiosis of bacteria and fungi and plants while you're at it. Everything in nature is connected.

Plants don't eat NPK. Even though this is a touchy subject even among us here. I believe a plants diet is similar to ours. They actually eat peptides and nuceleotides. The first plants were more than likely carnivorous. When feeding your venus fly traps what NPK do you use?

Nope you're wrong just look at almost every bottle sold it clearly states NPK

 

[brazel]

I love looking under my scope! Alot of fun to see all the life going on we can't see. At the same time I've wasted 24 hours of brewing only for it to be sub par lol had to hit with water then try a tea again lol it's a little difficult to obtain a proper tea. Why I am so against molasses, which in my experience is easier to go anaerobic.

It's actually pretty freaking easy! Why'd you give up after only 24 hours!?

 

[brazel]

Anyone tried a coco no till? I'm attempting to try one now, still in the process of ensuring everything is bio available, but I have no idea what to expect from it. Trying to get away from peat moss, and can't find any info pertaining to coco and no till. So hopefully either someone can give info or at least exchange some ideas

Of course you can do no till coco but why move away from spm?

 

[brazel]

It seems the organic crowd is easily triggered and highly opinionated :)

Not really, we're easy it's just tying to sink the myths. like someone trying to tell you sugar is better than high fructose corn syrup

 

[brazel]

I already said I have no bias towards organic. Just that I have no want/need for that route. Meanwhile.... organic pot farmers saving the world one plant at a time.

I like to think of it as more trying to educate

 

[oldskol4evr]

I like to think of it as more trying to educate

it only takes one seed to save the world

 

[Farmer P]

This guy does it commercially and blows away 40 acre farms on 2 1/2 acres. A good read when you have time.
https://craftsmanship.net/drought-fighters/

 

[MW7945]

I like to think of it as more trying to educate

Educating and force-feeding are two different things :)

 

[oldskol4evr]

Educating and force-feeding are two different things :)

never boring on the organic thread,must be why you choice to stay here,lmao

 

[Hpo777]

Of course you can do no till coco but why move away from spm?

Oh peat moss is not a renewable resource, trying to be as friendly to nature as possible.

 

[Hpo777]

Nice but kelp in compost tea!? How much?

Oh dude! Kelp is amazing in teas! Kelp is just flat out awesome. Kelp provides micro and macro nutrients, beneficial microbes, and stimulates microbial activity. I do 2tbsp per gallon

Also I believe there are probiotic microbes with kelp

 

[Ecompost]

I love looking under my scope! Alot of fun to see all the life going on we can't see. At the same time I've wasted 24 hours of brewing only for it to be sub par lol had to hit with water then try a tea again lol it's a little difficult to obtain a proper tea. Why I am so against molasses, which in my experience is easier to go anaerobic.

it has messages that attract lots of facilitative microbes, but as with anything, its balance. lots of really useful microbes can flip flop states, thank god for this redundancy or we might be mile deep in dinosaur shit still :-) Having microbes in a tea is one thing, but knowing these are the critical partners of your current crop choice is quite another. its likely nothing so much as the loss of oxygen, so much as the possible hazard of too much SNR more generally. if we said sun flowers have about 3-5 biological primer partner microbes, what would be the value in brewing a tea that have more than these 3-5? What is the hazard.
I think the concept of tea brewing being debated by ingredient choice is to ignore the potential this mass inoculation method offers, but how to brew a tea with only the microbes we know to be communicating with our plant in beneficial ways, this is the challenge.
Tea is still newish, it will evolve as we understand more. i suspect we all stop brewing teas in the near future, the more we understand soil phenotyping the more likely we are to find hazard with its application but this isnt to say stop using it now. Dont worry about other peoples inputs, rather worry about how do you find out which microbes your white widow needs today, versus what your OG Kush is using, how do you maintain the stability of microbe populations in light of constantly changing soil states, as the interface (soil) is adapted by those it hosts, plants, chemicals, biology and so on?
What is the point of growing with biology, to reduce nutrient use? To grow better plants? can we? to reduce the impacts on mother nature? all of the above and more?
Ok so now we do all the phenotyping for everything that interacts at the interface, where can we store this data? how can we access it, how do we monitor or even study so we might recommend?

 

[Ecompost]

Oh peat moss is not a renewable resource, trying to be as friendly to nature as possible.

you can argue that about the supply of coco husk and rising sea levels, and or land loss, its likely not local to you, it has carbon miles, it leaches nutrients at a higher rate than soil, it harbors many pathogens, its easy to mess up pH, its usually buffered with lime or other and so this has added CO2 pay and so on, it tricks people using it in to imagining they have a moral high ground whislt standing them out on the same shakey platform as the rest of us :-) I think its hard to argue about peat and its risk to system stability while we use products in our lives which are made from palm oil and so on:-)

 

[brazel]

Oh dude! Kelp is amazing in teas! Kelp is just flat out awesome. Kelp provides micro and macro nutrients, beneficial microbes, and stimulates microbial activity. I do 2tbsp per gallon

Also I believe there are probiotic microbes with kelp

Kelp is awesome but I'll just usually bubble that with some alfalfa.
After reading microbeman findings, I tried it out and did find kelp slowed microbial development for the first 24 hours. He suggests. .25%
I go with that, I only did one test with 1 cup in five gallons.

 

[Ecompost]

Educating and force-feeding are two different things :)

one mans data is another mans Brussel sprouts... we can only educate those willing to learn and even then we must pre fix our teaching with as far as we know today.....the ever expanding universe is in the very things we do everyday and our deeper understanding of it.
where does your old coco go after you have used it?