The Crystal Palace is back, now with a Spiderfarmer SE5000.

[tobh]

interesting,
what's the difference between cal silicate vs carbonate?
When i got my 1st tent, it came with dyna gro veg and bloom constrainer's but I had massive failures. Got me pissed so much that i throw it away. lol!

cal silicate adds silica, carbonate is likely more readily available to the plant. this is an assumption, but my gut tells me this is the case.

 

[Dirtbag]

The cal silicate contains a proprietary form of stabilized silica that is much more available to the plants than regular silica and it has a stable ph of around 6.
The calcium carbonate adds alkalinity to the reservoir in the form of carbonates, which helps to keep the ph of the nutrient solution stable.
And obviously both Jack up my Ca levels.

 

[Dirtbag]

 

[Dirtbag]

That's a Lotta weddings getting crashed in there lol

 

[tobh]

god damn... are you concerned about the lower sites being able to mature properly at all? obviously pics do a shit job of capturing light penetration but that canopy looks so dense all I can imagine a bunch of larf forming in the middle of all that action.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

That's a Lotta weddings getting crashed in there lol

Nah, that's a jam when your buds come over and you play music for 2 days straight.

 

[Observationist]

Is there any precautions I need to be aware of. I just picked up a few seeds for my next crop, I'd rather not cook them.

a mat WITH controller.

lol sorry.

 

[Dirtbag]

god damn... are you concerned about the lower sites being able to mature properly at all? obviously pics do a shit job of capturing light penetration but that canopy looks so dense all I can imagine a bunch of larf forming in the middle of all that action.

Not really. The lowers are almost non existent from the pruning and the pic is really deceiving. I'm getting plenty of light penetration Into the canopy as well as decent airflow. And a couple weeks from harvest after it begins ripening I will get in there and pull a ton more leaves out so they can ripen with more light on them and better air movement, the stress can also speed up ripening a little. But the mids and even lower mids are just as chunky as the upper buds.

I'll try and get a quick video tomorrow to show you what I mean.

 

[tobh]

Not really. The lowers are almost non existent from the pruning and the pic is really deceiving. I'm getting plenty of light penetration Into the canopy as well as decent airflow. And a couple weeks from harvest after it begins ripening I will get in there and pull a ton more leaves out so they can ripen with more light on them and better air movement, the stress can also speed up ripening a little. But the mids and even lower mids are just as chunky as the upper buds.

I'll try and get a quick video tomorrow to show you what I mean.

you're proving yet again how i fucked up with six slabs in a 4x4 man. my lowers aren't anywhere near the tops in terms of ripeness, and the tops have created such a canopy now penetration isn't optimal for them to keep up. i literally have two layers of maturity. top half looks to be finishing, bottom half looks to be at what i expect at this stage. i hate telling anyone they're right, but you've called every step man...

 

[Dirtbag]

you're proving yet again how i fucked up with six slabs in a 4x4 man. my lowers aren't anywhere near the tops in terms of ripeness, and the tops have created such a canopy now penetration isn't optimal for them to keep up. i literally have two layers of maturity. top half looks to be finishing, bottom half looks to be at what i expect at this stage. i hate telling anyone they're right, but you've called every step man...

Could you multiharvest and take the tops first to let the bottom ripen a week or 2 longer? It does sound to me like the early ripening up top is stress related from not just the strip but also a bit of nute excess and too much light on the upper canopy. With the bottoms a couple weeks behind the tops, that points pretty hard at the light source honestly. Maybe not on it's own, but in combination with other stressors.


I wouldn't feel too upset, even if it's not what you were hoping for, your grow looks pretty badss and I still think you'll do well. And this grow besides the weed has provided you with some decent lessons and insights to take forward. I make mistakes all the time, and almost everything I've ever learned about growing has been through trial and a lot of errors. I'd be full of shit if I said my adventures in rockwool or any medium have all gone smooth or yielded heavy.

What matters is firing up the next cycle and applying what you've learned from the previous cycles. We are both playing with fairly advanced growing techniques at this point, in amateur home grows no less that honestly aren't fully dialed in. There is a lot to consider and a lot of small things that can add up to bigger problems quickly. Just the way she goes..

Frankly I'm most proud that you had the fuckin balls to even go for it lol, Both of those strips are intimidating as hell and you went viking on it man! Nothing ventured nothing gained.

 

[PK1]

Could you multiharvest and take the tops first to let the bottom ripen a week or 2 longer? It does sound to me like the early ripening up top is stress related from not just the strip but also a bit of nute excess and too much light on the upper canopy. With the bottoms a couple weeks behind the tops, that points pretty hard at the light source honestly. Maybe not on it's own, but in combination with other stressors.


I wouldn't feel too upset, even if it's not what you were hoping for, your grow looks pretty badss and I still think you'll do well. And this grow besides the weed has provided you with some decent lessons and insights to take forward. I make mistakes all the time, and almost everything I've ever learned about growing has been through trial and a lot of errors. I'd be full of shit if I said my adventures in rockwool or any medium have all gone smooth or yielded heavy.

What matters is firing up the next cycle and applying what you've learned from the previous cycles. We are both playing with fairly advanced growing techniques at this point, in amateur home grows no less that honestly aren't fully dialed in. There is a lot to consider and a lot of small things that can add up to bigger problems quickly. Just the way she goes..

Frankly I'm most proud that you had the fuckin balls to even go for it lol, Both of those strips are intimidating as hell and you went viking on it man! Nothing ventured nothing gained.

That's a good point and i don't see why not. I mean even with fruit trees or tomato plants, we take off what is ready and matured while leavening what still has time.

 

[PK1]

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i love your shed db

 

[Observationist]

That's a good point and i don't see why not. I mean even with fruit trees or tomato plants, we take off what is ready and matured while leavening what still has time.

Yes you can

 

[SSgrower]

I have "topped" my gals before & let the lower buds grow 1-2 more weeks. It's fairly common in home-grows, especially with new growers because they aren't experienced in trimming and or lst training. SS

 

[tobh]

Could you multiharvest and take the tops first to let the bottom ripen a week or 2 longer? It does sound to me like the early ripening up top is stress related from not just the strip but also a bit of nute excess and too much light on the upper canopy. With the bottoms a couple weeks behind the tops, that points pretty hard at the light source honestly. Maybe not on it's own, but in combination with other stressors.


I wouldn't feel too upset, even if it's not what you were hoping for, your grow looks pretty badss and I still think you'll do well. And this grow besides the weed has provided you with some decent lessons and insights to take forward. I make mistakes all the time, and almost everything I've ever learned about growing has been through trial and a lot of errors. I'd be full of shit if I said my adventures in rockwool or any medium have all gone smooth or yielded heavy.

What matters is firing up the next cycle and applying what you've learned from the previous cycles. We are both playing with fairly advanced growing techniques at this point, in amateur home grows no less that honestly aren't fully dialed in. There is a lot to consider and a lot of small things that can add up to bigger problems quickly. Just the way she goes..

Frankly I'm most proud that you had the fuckin balls to even go for it lol, Both of those strips are intimidating as hell and you went viking on it man! Nothing ventured nothing gained.

yeah i've been thinking about that. a multi harvest might be the only way to get everything equally matured and keep the yield up. even with just the tops, i'm not going to be disappointed in yield, just as long as it'll make it through two runs since next run is a preservation run of bms bx1. lots learned this round for sure.

really appreciate the kind words man. it's a bit of a battle with the frustrations, and of course realizing the limitations of the equipment (or more so what my limitations with the equipment) are. the biggest issue I think was vegging so long. not sure what i was anticipating but either way it's been a great learning experience and like fuck if i'm changing styles again for a while lol these techniques are by far the most effective i've seen yet for eliminating a lot of other common environmental issues while seemingly increasing quality of the product. would've never done it if it weren't for your inspiration and guidance man. seriously.

 

[Observationist]

i dont see the reasoning or logic for NOT picking fruit when its ripe off the plant and ready when others are not.

 

[Dirtbag]

i dont see the reasoning or logic for NOT picking fruit when its ripe off the plant and ready when others are not.

Meh, I've had to do it before. When my kids were little and I took a break from big grows I just had a little converted refrigerator grow box in my house that I grew in. It was also my drying box. Unless I wanted to dry buds hanging beside a 430w HpS I had to chop it all. If you have a seperate area for drying and curing, then I agree it only makes sense to harvest what's ripe and leave the rest to finish.

 

[Observationist]

Meh, I've had to do it before. When my kids were little and I took a break from big grows I just had a little converted refrigerator grow box in my house that I grew in. It was also my drying box. Unless I wanted to dry buds hanging beside a 430w HpS I had to chop it all. If you have a seperate area for drying and curing, then I agree it only makes sense to harvest what's ripe and leave the rest to finish.

understandable, did you notice any problems with the plant after picking buds?
ive only done it with one grow, didnt notice anything bad doing it that way,
but again, one time....

ive heard it can stress the plant, but anecdotally.

 

[Dirtbag]

understandable, did you notice any problems with the plant after picking buds?
ive only done it with one grow, didnt notice anything bad doing it that way,
but again, one time....

ive heard it can stress the plant, but anecdotally.

Oh I have never mutiharvested. I've only ever just chopped everything down all at once. That's what I was saying in my last post, the multiharvest would have been better but I didn't have anywhere seperate to dry it.

As for stress, yeah it will stress them a bit. But in my opinion stress at the end is beneficial.

 

[Observationist]

Oh I have never mutiharvested. I've only ever just chopped everything down all at once. That's what I was saying in my last post, the multiharvest would have been better but I didn't have anywhere seperate to dry it.

As for stress, yeah it will stress them a bit. But in my opinion stress at the end is beneficial.

Gotcha and yes I agree.