Things You Should Never Say To An Experienced Cultivator

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Autoflowers have been crossed with a non-potent cannabis species, Cannabis Ruderalis. If someone sells autoflowers at the market rate without disclosing it, they have ripped off the buyer. The quality of Ruderalis hybrids is greatly diminished when compared to purely Indica/Sativa hybrids, across virtually all aspects of the end product: potency, structure, yeild, flavor, smell, bag appeal, etc.

If you're not a heavy consumer and want something that is low maintenance for outdoors thats just for you, then you might consider autoflowers. But if you like it strong or you plan to market it, I strongly suggest leaving the Ruderalis out of your genetics. If you are growing indoors then it really makes no sense to grow autoflowers, because you are already able to control the photoperiod, and thus can make the plant flower as soon as it is sexually mature, just like an autoflower, if you desire.

Cannabis Indica and Cannabis Sativa are the cannabis species that produce the psychoactive effects that are most desired by consumers. Autoflowers have been adulterated. It is pseudo-marijuana; quasi marijuana at best. THC% is not everything, and even on that front the leading photoperiod strains are crushing the leading autoflowers.

Cannabis Ruderalis is not photosensitive, and thus it is crossed with indica/sativa hybrids to create autoflowering strains. Unfortunately, along with the autoflowering characteristics of the Ruderalis, comes the diminished quality discussed above.
We had a big problem in Missouri at the dispensaries when legalization first rolled out. It was all auto flowers. Pretty flowers, decent terps but no bang for the tremendous buck. Even today I would say it’s still eighty percent autos. The other twenty percent has been tagged with some major prices. I’m seeing as much as 67.50 an eighth for mids.
 
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As for ruderalis I'd love to know where it started wasn't it started up in Russia didn't I hear something about it being like a way up by the Ural the Ural Mountains and the steps that used to grow like a tiny little Bush and where in the hell did they have a f****** 12-week season up there where it got enough mild weather where it could flourish or is it have a lot of cold tolerance I didn't heard anything about that thing until they just started immediately throwing it into the scene cross with photos
I haven't seen any of those autos, all I have seen was pure strains from ILGM, etc., in fact, I picked up a bunch of Northern Lights 1 just gotten finished, they're up there with that photoperiod plant that I just tasted off of a plant that was harvested at Keith's, I couldn't tell the difference between the 2, things have changed drastically over the yrs., as I heard Fox Farms soil was good but recently changed & no longer their pick, what you heard about then might not be now, you're talking like you're back in the day where things were standard, but as time went on they developed better strains more potency, etc., this was all done by reading, not anyone's opinions but from the laboratories themselves, Russia, there's no way in H*ll it will grow in the tundra
 
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I haven't seen any of those autos, all I have seen was pure strains from ILGM, etc., in fact, I picked up a bunch of Northern Lights 1 just gotten finished, they're up there with that photoperiod plant that I just tasted off of a plant that was harvested at Keith's, I couldn't tell the difference between the 2, things have changed drastically over the yrs., as I heard Fox Farms soil was good but recently changed & no longer their pick, what you heard about then might not be now, you're talking like you're back in the day where things were standard, but as time went on they developed better strains more potency, etc., this was all done by reading, not anyone's opinions but from the laboratories themselves, Russia, there's no way in H*ll it will grow in the tundra

Oh yeah brother don't go there with me, lol listen I got an Autoflower seed for free from Sea of seed back in 2016 I want to see a 2017 whatever year the Kosher Kush won the cup the emerald cup I got a 12 pack of them they gave me an Autoflower seed that was free it was called Jack Herer and something else I don't know super skunk it didn't matter I let that f***** go to maturity and I commented on the thread here I gave somebody that was a 20-year heroin addict that was in treatment with methadone and he he could not ride his bike or anything after smoking the Autoflower that we grew so you'll never hear me complain that they're not potent I'm just too enamored with the skunk's right now I love skunk cultivars
 
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there you go back in 2018 that was around 5 yrs. ago, I'm going by experience, I'm not listening to anyone but my taste buds & how I feel afterward, trust me I know weed as a smoker of 40 yrs. I don't know what you're growing or do I care, no pun intended, you stated your opinion but it's only an opinion, the strains you got might be different than mine, you can't say you got 1 seed from 1 place doesn't apply to all.
 
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I haven't seen any of those autos, all I have seen was pure strains from ILGM, etc., in fact, I picked up a bunch of Northern Lights 1 just gotten finished, they're up there with that photoperiod plant that I just tasted off of a plant that was harvested at Keith's, I couldn't tell the difference between the 2, things have changed drastically over the yrs., as I heard Fox Farms soil was good but recently changed & no longer their pick, what you heard about then might not be now, you're talking like you're back in the day where things were standard, but as time went on they developed better strains more potency, etc., this was all done by reading, not anyone's opinions but from the laboratories themselves, Russia, there's no way in H*ll it will grow in the tundra
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CannaGranny

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As for ruderalis I'd love to know where it started wasn't it started up in Russia didn't I hear something about it being like a way up by the Ural the Ural Mountains and the steps that used to grow like a tiny little Bush and where in the hell did they have a f****** 12-week season up there where it got enough mild weather where it could flourish or is it have a lot of cold tolerance I didn't heard anything about that thing until they just started immediately throwing it into the scene cross with photos
Yes it has Russian roots. The very reason it cycles so fast. Short grow period in it’s native surroundings. It has 45 to 58 days of summertime and ya know the genes tell it to get it done, create or die.
 
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I am seriously impressed with the amount of cannabis I put through my body over the last 25 years that I remember that was the Ural Mountains
 
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there you go back in 2018 that was around 5 yrs. ago, I'm going by experience, I'm not listening to anyone but my taste buds & how I feel afterward, trust me I know weed as a smoker of 40 yrs. I don't know what you're growing or do I care, no pun intended, you stated your opinion but it's only an opinion, the strains you got might be different than mine, you can't say you got 1 seed from 1 place doesn't apply to all.
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Petro, noone started Cannabis Ruderalis..it is a naturally occurring species in the Cannabis genus. Who first created hybrids with it, I do not know. Some say that Alaskan thunderfuck is a Ruderalis hybrid, but it is a photoperiod strain.

Johnny, the only successful commercial activity going on with autoflowers is in marketing seeds to home growers. Sometimes the cartels will dump loads of autoflowers on the market but they always go for half the market rate, at most. People used to use autoflowers as an opportunity to pull a quick one on unsuspecting buyers. This was before Oregon dumped millions of lbs of hemp on the market for $50 each that swindlers started rolling in keif and selling for 300 as the real deal.

Also, thc percentage matters not. Some of the most potent strains like sour diesel test relatively low in THC relative to strains like Purple Punch that aren't potent at all.

The bottom line is that if autoflowers were anywhere near comparable to photoperiod strains in terms of marketability of the end product, there would be more industry focus on the production of marijuana via auto flowers.
 
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cannagranny, i had no idea you guys were that far behind on things. Autoflowers are enticing to new growers for obvious reasons, which I suspect is responsible for their presence in emerging markets. As time passes they will be phased out.

Shocked there is actually that much commercial activity with autos in these emerging markets.
 
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Petro, noone started Cannabis Ruderalis..it is a naturally occurring species in the Cannabis genus. Who first created hybrids with it, I do not know. Some say that Alaskan thunderfuck is a Ruderalis hybrid, but it is a photoperiod strain.

Johnny, the only successful commercial activity going on with autoflowers is in marketing seeds to home growers. Sometimes the cartels will dump loads of autoflowers on the market but they always go for half the market rate, at most. People used to use autoflowers as an opportunity to pull a quick one on unsuspecting buyers. This was before Oregon dumped millions of lbs of hemp on the market for $50 each that swindlers started rolling in keif and selling for 300 as the real deal.

Also, thc percentage matters not. Some of the most potent strains like sour diesel test relatively low in THC relative to strains like Purple Punch that aren't potent at all.

The bottom line is that if autoflowers were anywhere near comparable to photoperiod strains in terms of marketability of the end product, there would be more industry focus on the production of marijuana via auto flowers.
I’ve lived in 3 legal states and have seen just a handful of licensed growers try to market flower from autos. None persisted. The quality is not there and never will be. They’re a time bomb. You’re locked into going along with it. No reveg. No clones.
 
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We had a big problem in Missouri at the dispensaries when legalization first rolled out. It was all auto flowers. Pretty flowers, decent terps but no bang for the tremendous buck. Even today I would say it’s still eighty percent autos. The other twenty percent has been tagged with some major prices. I’m seeing as much as 67.50 an eighth for mids.
Damn, here in Oklahoma the stores sell mids for $50oz.
 
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Yes it has Russian roots. The very reason it cycles so fast. Short grow period in it’s native surroundings. It has 45 to 58 days of summertime and ya know the genes tell it to get it done, create or die.
the 1 guy that is trying to grow tomatoes in Norway, he's having a hell of a time trying to grow indoors I'm not sure where I have seen that from, I know marijuana & Russia doesn't belong in the same sentence, lol
 
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cannagranny, i had no idea you guys were that far behind on things. Autoflowers are enticing to new growers for obvious reasons, which I suspect is responsible for their presence in emerging markets. As time passes they will be phased out.

Shocked there is actually that much commercial activity with autos in these emerging markets.
Not this old Gal. I love heirloom photos. The whole push was new cultivators trying to supply a large market in a hurry. As you know the biz owners had green in their eyes. The state dribbled out licenses and made back door deals for approvals. A lot of great cultivators was passed over right off as they could not produce a huge cash bond. This did away with all of the small business and brought in out of staters to apply with Missouri residents as holders of a stock that only can be paid out when that company pays off all debt, which never happens.
When all of that transpired it then became about autos and just how fast they could move it and fill dispensary shelves. Now I will say this, there is always room for change and I’ve not been to a dispensary in months. One can always hope huh? I’ll always and forever be growing clean green, with old proven genes.
 
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Damn, here in Oklahoma the stores sell mids for $50oz.
Oklahoma for medical? is the only way illegally you can pick Mexican for pennies on the dollar I used to get Mexican bricks for basically nothing but transfer it to cash money back in my day of smoking & selling, the good ole days where weed is on the d/l & we're mostly moving without a sound & certainly no drama, if anyone was around smoking back then know what it was like,
 
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