The high cost of Seeds !!!!!!!!!!???????????

[Frankster]

You guys got to understand when buying high priced strains you are buying the hype. Then you make your money back spreading the hype. Like how apples and bananas is still being sold for $1000-1500 when you can find it here for a c note. But as long as joe blow thinks it’s worth 1500 then everyone is happy
There is not a strain out there you won’t build tolerance to, not that I’ve found anyway and I’ve been through hundreds of hyped elites.

bingo bubba; trying to say the same here; but some of them seem awful resistant to the idea of having your cake and eating it too.

 

[Frankster]

It’s a very personal thing imho. It really depends on how you brain is wired. If there are strains you are interested in trying for medical purposes I would suggest testing things out in the morning on a clear head. Just my opinion. The Real Sour is my go too smoke though some like heavier but it checks my boxes well

Thanks for pointing this very obvious truth out.

BACK TO: too each their own again. So much truth in this. Strains that push the right buttons. I often do blends these days; then add additional oils; and sativa's & indica's mixed together. Sometimes blending 3 cultivars. Panama Red; Acapulco gold; a few others hit me really nice. SK#1, there's just so many good choices.

When we fail to do the flipside and fail to collaborate... if you don't give anyone a chance; and your not looking at yourself objectively. ie. Being your own worst critic, then were often just simply deluding ourselves; placing blame for something where it shouldn't be; instead of the hands doing it. spinning wheels...

IMO; many of us simply don't want to own our own shortcomings, always looking for the set of "master keys" when you skipped over it; because our technique was flawed somewhere along the continuum; or we had a bad run for some reason or another. Hubris; arrogance; failure to thrive. I certainly can be guilty at times.

 

[GrowHobo]

BACK TO: too each their own again. So much truth in this. Strains that push the right buttons. I often do blends these days; then add additional oils; and sativa's & indica's mixed together. Sometimes blending 3 cultivars. Panama Red; Acapulco gold; a few others hit me really nice. SK#1, there's just so many good choices.

When we fail to do the flipside and fail to collaborate... if you don't give anyone a chance; and your not looking at yourself objectively. ie. Being your own worst critic, then were often just simply deluding ourselves; placing blame for something where it shouldn't be; instead of the hands doing it. spinning wheels...

IMO; many of us simply don't want to own our own shortcomings, always looking for the set of "master keys" when you skipped over it; because our technique was flawed somewhere along the continuum; or we had a bad run for some reason or another. Hubris; arrogance; failure to thrive. I certainly can be guilty at times.

Amen to a good salad doobie.

 

[Johnlandy420]

Agreed; would like to try to build a cultivar that's specific to my local... absolutely these things are possible; but the ecosystem needs to be capable of supporting it to some degree or another; a truly landrace form; will eventually acclimate itself back into nature; and integrate much of the existing microbiology biome into it's genetic profiles.

I think crossing; and carful selection; and introducing some of the microflora we desire; might help bridge some of the process.

I really like the idea too but evolution doesn’t work that fast! Plants have to develop mutations that make them advantageous in their environment which will then allow them out compete and truly thrive. To my knowledge, it’s why it is such a HUGE deal to work with and keep unadulterated the true Landraces out there. Now gimme some of that purple punch landrace you got rolling

 

[Frankster]

I really like the idea too but evolution doesn’t work that fast! Plants have to develop mutations that make them advantageous in their environment which will then allow them out compete and truly thrive. To my knowledge, it’s why it is such a HUGE deal to work with and keep unadulterated the true Landraces out there. Now gimme some of that purple punch landrace you got rolling

You got it; just PM me and I need to get some of this out the door before I move the house. Moving to the outdoors in progress; so lots to do here in the next few weeks. It will be luck of the draw; but I think 1 in 5; 1 in 10 is a safe bet, at minimum. I can actually tell the seeds by the looks of them; I'm pretty sure.

LoL; 4 purple punches x GDP.... and one Thai landrace out of the 5 pops.... I re-planted it today; these are the older pics.

Blows my mind; but I don't think it will grow on it's own; sadly. Oh well. Keep trying.

 

[hawkman]

Agreed; terps are hugely potent... Only need to dip into a few drops of this to find that part out. (this bottle will last me a lifetime) But they can be micro fed into the plant; if it's done correctly during flowers. I hope to prevent cancer; so this is why I mess with this particular one; plus it's wonderful scent and taste I love. (made from lavender flowers) My lungs have vastly improved these days.

I wouldn't even suggest touching this stuff; in it's 100% pure form; it will burn you. This bottle is pharmaceutical lab grade materials.
Terpenes can be adjusted in the grow IMO; it's not just the cultivars itself; but agree genetics are certainly the biggest contributing factors.

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For instance; I'll use say 1 or 2 ml of this; mix it with the tween (polysorbate 20%) and some heat energy, then solubilize it into say 10 oz of H2O... Then during flowers; I will give only say; a 1-2 mL (of the dilute) into the finial feeding mixtures; always at the end of mixing the fertilizer compositions.. Need to monitor the pH again... Massive terpene scents in final products.

This is simply one example; there are several. Another more simple (natural) method would be picking the sap off of trees; and putting that into your mixtures. I've done that one also.

In the end; I think it's about the plants having the right mixture of pre-cursor chemicals; as it is about the instructions within the genetics; both are equally important. Lets not forget environment either.

FYI _ boveda makes "terpene" infused packs now and Great Lakes Wholesale has liquid terpene's for final products (terpenez) has 6 differennt terpene's. in addition here are two products many growers use - Terpinator (increasae terpene's) and Purpinator (increase color)

 

[hawkman]

Agreed; terps are hugely potent... Only need to dip into a few drops of this to find that part out. (this bottle will last me a lifetime) But they can be micro fed into the plant; if it's done correctly during flowers. I hope to prevent cancer; so this is why I mess with this particular one; plus it's wonderful scent and taste I love. (made from lavender flowers) My lungs have vastly improved these days.

I wouldn't even suggest touching this stuff; in it's 100% pure form; it will burn you. This bottle is pharmaceutical lab grade materials.
Terpenes can be adjusted in the grow IMO; it's not just the cultivars itself; but agree genetics are certainly the biggest contributing factors.

View attachment 1241680


For instance; I'll use say 1 or 2 ml of this; mix it with the tween (polysorbate 20%) and some heat energy, then solubilize it into say 10 oz of H2O... Then during flowers; I will give only say; a 1-2 mL (of the dilute) into the finial feeding mixtures; always at the end of mixing the fertilizer compositions.. Need to monitor the pH again... Massive terpene scents in final products.

This is simply one example; there are several. Another more simple (natural) method would be picking the sap off of trees; and putting that into your mixtures. I've done that one also.

In the end; I think it's about the plants having the right mixture of pre-cursor chemicals; as it is about the instructions within the genetics; both are equally important. Lets not forget environment either.

Chaotic Genetics

Check me out I'll throw in my original critical banger f1 and f2s. Inbredline Strain is Bruce banger f1 fast female and critical purple Kush male and Gruntz I'm working. Runtz muffin female from Barney's farm and gorilla glue 4 male. Grunts are Photo seeds

have to check out his line "Chaostic seeds" these are fems right

 

[Glassdub]

All I see is autos.

 

[FuriousStyles]

Thanks for pointing this very obvious truth out.

BACK TO: too each their own again. So much truth in this. Strains that push the right buttons. I often do blends these days; then add additional oils; and sativa's & indica's mixed together. Sometimes blending 3 cultivars. Panama Red; Acapulco gold; a few others hit me really nice. SK#1, there's just so many good choices.

When we fail to do the flipside and fail to collaborate... if you don't give anyone a chance; and your not looking at yourself objectively. ie. Being your own worst critic, then were often just simply deluding ourselves; placing blame for something where it shouldn't be; instead of the hands doing it. spinning wheels...

IMO; many of us simply don't want to own our own shortcomings, always looking for the set of "master keys" when you skipped over it; because our technique was flawed somewhere along the continuum; or we had a bad run for some reason or another. Hubris; arrogance; failure to thrive. I certainly can be guilty at times.

This is exactly what I was talking about at the start of this thread that raised all kinds of stink.

Wow all this over seed pricing. This is why real name breeders don't comment on these boards any more. Why people from back in the day left.

I read this as a lot of envy and bitterness. Seems none can grasp the simple concept of who are you to think you can put a price on another man's labor. Period. You list all these reasons why his labor is not valuable in YOUR mind, that justify why YOU do not agree to his labors worth. Who are you to think every one else is so dumb you decide what another man's labor is worth for everyone else? Just do not buy it his product. Why are you hating on people who think it is worth it or see a value in it YOU do not? Why are you mad because someone feels their time and product IS extremely valuable? Maybe your labor is more valuable than what YOU allow someone else to tell you it is worth. Could be your labor is more valuable than YOU think because you have been told it isn't. Could be envy and bitterness wont allow you to see you are wanting to deny someone freedom in the market place, freedom to set their own worth and not allow someone else to tell them what they are worth. Freedom, you should want for yourself.

I just don't get it.

Most, not all, but most lack exactly what you are talking about here @Frankster. Introspection. Takes some getting used to, embracing ones faults and then turning them into attributes.
With that in mind, as I said, who are we to think we can set a price on another mans labor. Be it seeds or clones or whatever. We have a hard enough time seeing ourselves clearly, much less the value of someone else or their work.

 

[Blastfact]

Then why do you smoke weed at all. Make rosin and call it a day. And those assholes are actually making it harder hitting by moving to an entourage affect. The weakest strains around are all the old school with the mono terps the new can have well over 10. The science has been show in multiple studies to be true.

Why you fuck weed up where it has to be concentrated to get high with all your bull shit? Science my ass. Your just marketing a new makeup to paint the pig with. Just another huckster, flim flam man.

 

[Neuro]

who are we to think we can set a price on another mans labor.

We are the demand. Supply and demand. That's how it works. If we aren't willing to pay it then that's not what their labor is worth.

 

[GrowHobo]

I don't give two shits what it looks like, how it taste, how it ashes out and all this other BS. I don't want useless fine wine. I want MD 20/20 spiked with moonshine! Ass Holes just keep fucking the weed up....

Mad Dog 20/20 spiked with moonshine is exactly like putting concentrates on “fufu” weed. Just skip the 20/20 and drink the shine. Lol.

Why you fuck weed up where it has to be concentrated to get high with all your bull shit? Science my ass. Your just marketing a new makeup to paint the pig with. Just another huckster, flim flam man.

 

[Glassdub]

Mad Dog 20/20 spiked with moonshine is exactly like putting concentrates on “fufu” weed. Just skip the 20/20 and drink the shine. Lol.

I made some tincture with LSD sugar leaf & 200 proof culinary alcohol (essentially moonshine) does this count?
Not real strong but a tbsp in a cup of kombucha has a nice kick & doesn't taste too awful.

 

[FuriousStyles]

We are the demand. Supply and demand. That's how it works. If we aren't willing to pay it then that's not what their labor is worth.

Exactly. They can "ask" whatever they want, doesn't mean they get it.
Value is perceived. As such that value is subjective differing from person to person.
To belittle or ridicule someone else's opinion of a things value is obtuse.
Be it pokemon cards, star wars dolls, legos, or seeds

 

[Glassdub]

Freedom to be stupid/price gorged, yep its American as apple fritter.

 

[Garbage_bear]

I don't think $10.00 per seed is unreasonable for small buys. Hell hemp seeds were $1.00 per pop and you had to buy 10k at a time for a while.

 

[growsince79]

I don't think $10.00 per seed is unreasonable for small buys. Hell hemp seeds were $1.00 per pop and you had to buy 10k at a time for a while.

Would you pay $10 for one tomato or pepper seed? I have plenty to sell.

 

[Garbage_bear]

Would you pay $10 for one tomato or pepper seed? I have plenty to sell.

Hell no I hate tomatoes. I guess I just appreciate the fact that you can get seeds delivered to you with the click of a mouse. twenty years ago it was not so easy. Don't get me wrong, I would love to pay $1.00 per seed but thats not going to happen., You can get a seed for the same cost as a lunch. It's really not that bad.

 

[growsince79]

Hell no I hate tomatoes. I guess I just appreciate the fact that you can get seeds delivered to you with the click of a mouse. twenty years ago it was not so easy. Don't get me wrong, I would love to pay $1.00 per seed but thats not going to happen., You can get a seed for the same cost as a lunch. It's really not that bad.

Where do you live, I give out seeds free all the time. I don't ship, just meet me at the bar and buy me a beer or bring something to trade.

 

[Stonerbudz]

Chaotic Genetics

Check me out I'll throw in my original critical banger f1 and f2s. Inbredline Strain is Bruce banger f1 fast female and critical purple Kush male and Gruntz I'm working. Runtz muffin female from Barney's farm and gorilla glue 4 male. Grunts are Photo seeds

Got some in the mail