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menzies? lol yah my girl too. during this time i just load bong hit after bong hit until she passes out. i'm hoping i can work with the Lee Roy i just purchased from Rare Dankness. I know that triangle kush is no joke. i'm smoking on it now. gotta be careful. smoke too much and it makes you feel a little like you popped a painkiller. great for slowing me down at work and gathering my thoughts believe it or not. very clean high until you puff too much then it's night night.

I am going to collect some pollen off of the LeeRoy and dust my malawi when i run it. I'm still scared to pull the trigger on a 12 week flowering plant until i get nugs in the bank.
I grew the Roy a while back. Its lovely smoke. I hit my male White Walker Kush on to my selected Lee Roy to make Roy Walker. Roy Walker was a dude that used to be on a show called catchphrase, so its aka Catchphrase Kush :-) its a winner over here, people love it. Got more bulk to the stems, left the flavor as the lime kushy roy I hit it on, but gave more frost so its a good extract and hash plant now :-)
 
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im really considering some banana trees,just for the flowers,hahah act of congress to get them and seasonal,although i would eat the crap out of them,fig tree is on number 1 list according to the boss,lmao damn deer eat up everything here,but cool with me,i hand feed a few of them mama too,they tussling a bunch right now so my doe stir clear till they gone,lol,but on a adverage day i have at the least 30 come to visit,if i dont feed there ass the go to front yard,dont want them there,hahaah baby is always looking for deer po po,haha funny as hell,i get out and start making soil amending or what ever,she be the first one to play in the cow shit ,you tell her she dont care,it diffrent on her hands versus the shoes,lol,dont ask me a women thing,lol i got a lot to do to get were i want to be,i live on a straight up rock,all built soil or haul in bulk as i call it,cause nothing i have bought has meet my expectations of great garden soil,im basically buying bulk to build per say,just got a great deal at garden center,25 gallon pots used for 3.50 and 15 gal for 2.50,tried to tell them they were bigger but only charged me for 5 and 7 gal pots,,hey there trash my treasure right,got 7 of the 25 and 4 of the 15,wish i would have waited yesterday,got 7 18 gal totes from wal mart for 4 a piece,all good,now it time to build and let the shit sit over winter,total got 13/18 gal 7/25 gal 4/7 gal pots,that should fix mama little garden on top of hill up just right,lmao
I have 10 varieties of figs hit me up January February when their dorm, I'll send you some cuttings
 
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Kelp, neem, karanja, mbp, aloe, coconut...are all rad inputs!
Eventually you cut almost all these as your soil ages and builds it SFW.
I consider my soil a pet, if I move it comes with me!
I've went off on adding inputs before... then I was like what the fuck! I don't see better results. I looked at it like taking to many vitamins, you just piss them out after your body has got what it needs.

Ha nice...I love the consideration here.
this is the point of our line, you go in to begin with, back off as the system develops, then just top up the losses eg N per cycle, and we add a few microbes on the far side to quickly release the organics from old root systems and so on.
I agree with the theory in general, but in real organics we must replace the missing higher animals, the saliva etc, to really see the benefits longer term and I am thinking this is what coots mimics right? This is the same as our bio packs, these contain the things that promote the life, the enzymes that usher in earthworms, the VOCs that ring bells for various beneficial arthropods and so on.
So without a grazing cow or other, what are we doing or what are we still missing? we cant bring a herd of animals in the grow room can we? So how are we replacing the life activating the life?

the biggest headache for us, we dont speak plant, but then I cant honestly tell you what nutrients I am using myself right now. I can tell you what i had for breakfast, but I cant tell you if I am using yesterdays resources or todays and in what order and in what cascade. Because of this, i suggest we can only follow a diverse diet of Proteins, Carbohydrates, Fatty acids, gases and i suggest the same is true for complex life like MJ plantrs :-)
 
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I have 10 varieties of figs hit me up January February when their dorm, I'll send you some cuttings
we grow figs too. :-) and oranges, limes, lemons, almonds, walnuts, olives. We just planted some avocados and pistachios too and we have some sugarcane etc going in sometime in December for a project to make whole fruit juice, using local herbs too
 
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his plants are really good. very stable and peow :) we got some from a do a while back, but now I know where to go ...thanks
Awesome, yeah they the stuff! Gotta find your keeper! Lots don't understand you can't buy a pack of ten seeds pop five and expect to get the baller. It makes it even worst when they give their review.... like seriously! You should pop at least 25 preferably like 100! Seeds are kids of the parents just like parents have multiple kids they're all different. So it really sucks when someone pops a couple seeds and says this strain is shit. I also only roll with Organic breeders, there's a study that shows when growing organic and breeding organic the organic genes or whatever you call it, I forgot gets passed to the seed.
Are you the better organix? If so, what I read on your website I agree with, didn't read it all but would of liked to seen the ingredients listed. I believe being transparent is the way to roll. The name through me off too. I'm honestly not attacking you or nothing like that, I said I completely understand your products for feeding and you're one of the best companies I've seen with bottled nutes.
I wanted to tell you this cause I believe in being upfront and honest with what I think.
That doesn't make it true or real I could be wrong and you are more than welcome to chit chat with me I hold no ill feelings towards you or towards anything I'm only here to learn and share knowledge I hope you understand where I'm coming from, and don't think I'm attacking you or your company or anyone else for that matter cheers
 
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i use the shit out of oyster shell flour,crab meal,alfalfa,love the stuff,both for my herb and for the 2 other gardens i have,,love the shit out of it,,the oyster shell is really great for tomoto plants,pretty much stops the blossom end rot from lack of calcium,,and the chiton we all know its benifits,,glad to see you using char,first year for me and im impressed with it,my compost pile has bunchs at the moment,need to stir that shit too,,made some LAB and put the leftover rice and curd in there few weeks ago,got all kinds of love growing in that pile ,been putting it off not wanting to disturbe it,,gonna take some the love and put on a screen over top of bowl,got a huge shroom growing out of a tree and gonna see what kind of love i can get from it and the compost pile love,,i do believe in bottle nutrients,cause i make them and store them there,lol,,got my better organix supplies yesterday and damn the herb was happy bitchs this morning,,foilar with the kamino and even did the sweet taters and potato plants ,the be praying for my brother @Ecompost lol
ha so cool. I am super chuffed buddy. i feel that BOX was a gateway for you to explore your own potential more fully. BOX is not about plants and soil mate, its about life. All life. You have no idea how much i am smiling to hear you now. Fetching your own parts to make your own lines, caring for the soil, its actors and the compost with a quiet knowing now. Its this higher engagement that gives us what we need to live better. its about protecting yourself from those that might otherwise seek to trap your mind and so limit your freedom and capacity
Better organix is a door, some people chose to fling it open and run inside the massive hall, joining the new wave of biological mimics, others want to peek through the cracks while they build surety from observation and consumption. It is nothing spectacular if you know life, but it can help push us to think more, or push us to yield more while we wait for our brains to process what we see :-)
To really know KAMINO is to understand more about life...your life, the lives of your loved ones, and even people you will never meet. no joke, we are little more than walking bottles of KAMINO ourselves :-)
 
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Ha nice...I love the consideration here.
this is the point of our line, you go in to begin with, back off as the system develops, then just top up the losses eg N per cycle, and we add a few microbes on the far side to quickly release the organics from old root systems and so on.
I agree with the theory in general, but in real organics we must replace the missing higher animals, the saliva etc, to really see the benefits longer term and I am thinking this is what coots mimics right? This is the same as our bio packs, these contain the things that promote the life, the enzymes that usher in earthworms, the VOCs that ring bells for various beneficial arthropods and so on.
So without a grazing cow or other, what are we doing or what are we still missing? we cant bring a herd of animals in the grow room can we? So how are we replacing the life activating the life?

the biggest headache for us, we dont speak plant, but then I cant honestly tell you what nutrients I am using myself right now. I can tell you what i had for breakfast, but I cant tell you if I am using yesterdays resources or todays and in what order and in what cascade. Because of this, i suggest we can only follow a diverse diet of Proteins, Carbohydrates, Fatty acids, gases and i suggest the same is true for complex life like MJ plantrs :)
Yeah I started with coot and he rocked my mind from I bought books after books but not about cannabis I bought books about soil, plants, permaculture, went down to Guatemala and Costa Rica and took different permaculture workshops and worked on Organic Farms.

So let me devour this which is always the best when I'm drunk!

So you supply a jump start to build the soil food web which would take a couple Cycles to build up without it? Ok i see that
Replenish N between cycles? I'm I reading this correct? Add microbes to break down old roots?
Yes on the diet. Sorry if I said nutrients I meant ingredients. I'm sorry I don't understand that we can't speak plants part. Replenish life by adding life
we grow figs too. :) and oranges, limes, lemons, almonds, walnuts, olives. We just planted some avocados and pistachios too and we have some sugarcane etc going in sometime in December for a project to make whole fruit juice, using local herbs too
Avocados? Aren't you in the uk!?
Please don't take any of this as negativity attacking you or being rude I believe discussion and bringing our true thoughts to the table is the best way to grow. Cheers
 
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Awesome, yeah they the stuff! Gotta find your keeper! Lots don't understand you can't buy a pack of ten seeds pop five and expect to get the baller. It makes it even worst when they give their review.... like seriously! You should pop at least 25 preferably like 100! Seeds are kids of the parents just like parents have multiple kids they're all different. So it really sucks when someone pops a couple seeds and says this strain is shit. I also only roll with Organic breeders, there's a study that shows when growing organic and breeding organic the organic genes or whatever you call it, I forgot gets passed to the seed.
Are you the better organix? If so, what I read on your website I agree with, didn't read it all but would of liked to seen the ingredients listed. I believe being transparent is the way to roll. The name through me off too. I'm honestly not attacking you or nothing like that, I said I completely understand your products for feeding and you're one of the best companies I've seen with bottled nutes.
I wanted to tell you this cause I believe in being upfront and honest with what I think.
That doesn't make it true or real I could be wrong and you are more than welcome to chit chat with me I hold no ill feelings towards you or towards anything I'm only here to learn and share knowledge I hope you understand where I'm coming from, and don't think I'm attacking you or your company or anyone else for that matter cheers
fair point bro, and dont ever anyone feel they cant speak what they find brother. We, well Alan Robin etc are just updating the website to our own space, this will give us a greater freedom to discuss our products.
We set up shopify because of outside pressure to list asap but its very limiting, a mono culture type of platform if you like and its less than ideal. We can write more on shopify, but people struggle with the way the backend links data and so do we...in coming weeks this will change. i am told we are pretty much ready to flick the switch.

Everything is either grown by us, or collected by us or a close network of like minded humans. its the usual stuff that gets mentioned as above, its plants that are high in N, P or K, simple things like nettles, comfrey, banana flowers, and then its grains of various types, its proteins like chlorella, hemp, pollen, and green lipped mussels, its natural plant sugars, its fermented insect waste.
Differences perhaps in how we ferment and perhaps we use some plant matter that isnt commonly understood or may be it cant be grown everywhere, and we add certain biology to help where its missing, eg most shop soils subjected to pasteurization. While we wont give you the exact process, we will happily tell you whats inside anything we make, we can tell you from where it was sourced, we can tell you how many carbon miles each component has as an overhead and anyone can come and visit us to get more inside scope Of course anyone wanting to understand our fermentation can just like we did, go and discuss it with industry experts who do it everyday :-)
We are open, but i wont tell you whats in my wifes bedside drawer right :-)
 
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What I'm thinking is you offer a quick instant boost to build up microbial life which would take a while to build naturally.
 
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fair point bro, and dont ever anyone feel they cant speak what they find brother. We, well Alan Robin etc are just updating the website to our own space, this will give us a greater freedom to discuss our products.
We set up shopify because of outside pressure to list asap but its very limiting, a mono culture type of platform if you like and its less than ideal. We can write more on shopify, but people struggle with the way the backend links data and so do we...in coming weeks this will change. i am told we are pretty much ready to flick the switch.

Everything is either grown by us, or collected by us or a close network of like minded humans. its the usual stuff that gets mentioned as above, its plants that are high in N, P or K, simple things like nettles, comfrey, banana flowers, and then its grains of various types, its proteins like chlorella, hemp, pollen, and green lipped mussels, its natural plant sugars, its fermented insect waste.
Differences perhaps in how we ferment and perhaps we use some plant matter that isnt commonly understood or may be it cant be grown everywhere, and we add certain biology to help where its missing, eg most shop soils subjected to pasteurization. While we wont give you the exact process, we will happily tell you whats inside anything we make, we can tell you from where it was sourced, we can tell you how many carbon miles each component has as an overhead and anyone can come and visit us to get more inside scope Of course anyone wanting to understand our fermentation can just like we did, go and discuss it with industry experts who do it everyday :)
We are open, but i wont tell you whats in my wifes bedside drawer right :)
Haha yeah totally keep your process to yourself you want to keep your business years. Yeah like I said everything that I did read on your website was true and I also said in one of my comments that there is no data but maybe I can email you cuz you said email me with any questions. And I said I completely understand these products in the feeding world. I just don't want you to think I was being negative towards you on purpose or anything like that I was just giving an honest point of my view.

That's why you threw me off in the other post cuz you said we don't think plants? So It had me thinking do you not use plants but then this post list bomb-ass plants you use! Haha
I hope all this is making sense and I'm on Android using voice to text and drunk. I might have to go back to this tomorrow there without a doubt I think you're Beyond awesome you should be able to go back and forth and have an honest discussion and pay attention to what each other said and take notes because you should always be ready to learn something. Okay now I'm totally Lost in Translation my phone died took her to start back up now it's being slow but damn this saved draft thing is awesome
 
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Yeah I started with coot and he rocked my mind from I bought books after books but not about cannabis I bought books about soil, plants, permaculture, went down to Guatemala and Costa Rica and took different permaculture workshops and worked on Organic Farms.

So let me devour this which is always the best when I'm drunk!

So you supply a jump start to build the soil food web which would take a couple Cycles to build up without it? Ok i see that
Replenish N between cycles? I'm I reading this correct? Add microbes to break down old roots?
Yes on the diet. Sorry if I said nutrients I meant ingredients. I'm sorry I don't understand that we can't speak plants part. Replenish life by adding life

Avocados? Aren't you in the uk!?
Please don't take any of this as negativity attacking you or being rude I believe discussion and bringing our true thoughts to the table is the best way to grow. Cheers
what i mean when i say this is how can anyone of us know exactly what our plants are using and in what combination at each given moment of its life, and so know what we just added is whats needed, esp without totally understanding biology etc first and then conducting constant testing that would likely change the outcomes through stress. People always berate nutrients, even tho they use organics and compost. We cant just plant one type of plant forever and not expect to have to address the soil fertility yes? So we are talking container plants here right, not outside plants in general? So in either system anyway, N is lost per N cycle, so each time it goes from gas to soil and back to gas. Over time we need to replace some things, eg may be top dress compost. This replaces the losses which are entirely natural. So BOX replaces the losses.


Lots of good stuff around that area, Costa Rica etc, I like the nations attitude to life too.

No I live in southern Europe most of the year mate and when not down here I am in Estonia
 
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we grow figs too. :) and oranges, limes, lemons, almonds, walnuts, olives. We just planted some avocados and pistachios too and we have some sugarcane etc going in sometime in December for a project to make whole fruit juice, using local herbs too
I have the figs Barbados cherry peaches Oro Blanco grapefruit moringa Pakistani Mulberry passion fruit banana I think those are all my trees
 
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Haha yeah totally keep your process to yourself you want to keep your business years. Yeah like I said everything that I did read on your website was true and I also said in one of my comments that there is no data but maybe I can email you cuz you said email me with any questions. And I said I completely understand these products in the feeding world. I just don't want you to think I was being negative towards you on purpose or anything like that I was just giving an honest point of my view.

That's why you threw me off in the other post cuz you said we don't think plants? So It had me thinking do you not use plants but then this post list bomb-ass plants you use! Haha
I hope all this is making sense and I'm on Android using voice to text and drunk. I might have to go back to this tomorrow there without a doubt I think you're Beyond awesome you should be able to go back and forth and have an honest discussion and pay attention to what each other said and take notes because you should always be ready to learn something. Okay now I'm totally Lost in Translation my phone died took her to start back up now it's being slow but damn this saved draft thing is awesome
yo you carry on buddy. i like it, its hard to say it all cause we forget, so we need each other to remind us of the stuff we overlook, or fail to describe in ways we all understand. I am ready to go over it forever mate. i am stoked to hear like minded people growing good product and being thoughtful as they do :-)
 
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I have the figs Barbados cherry peaches Oro Blanco grapefruit moringa Pakistani Mulberry passion fruit banana I think those are all my trees
my friend just gave me Morigna and i have black locus for bio mass, making char and standard chipping/ wood stove application. I have so much still to plant and prices of Almonds just kicked my nutts hard. I am looking at Avocados to make up the tumbles of nut prices and low orange price too.
Can i use moringa extract in my fruit juice blends i wonder?
 
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@Ecompost owns it. He's not selling snake oil. His product is the next best thing to being a neem oil and worm shit covered mess of buckets for under amended soil. I did however use half leafgrow compost...big mistake. A couple worm teas got it rolling. Should have started with a solid humus source.

I have 2x150g smarties I use as worm farms. I have somewhat of an idea of what is in his products. He's a good dude. He is very passionate.
dont worry bro, all views are valid, sometimes views change in time :-)
 
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what i mean when i say this is how can anyone of us know exactly what our plants are using and in what combination at each given moment of its life, and so know what we just added is whats needed, esp without totally understanding biology etc first and then conducting constant testing that would likely change the outcomes through stress. People always berate nutrients, even tho they use organics and compost. We cant just plant one type of plant forever and not expect to have to address the soil fertility yes? So we are talking container plants here right, not outside plants in general? So in either system anyway, N is lost per N cycle, so each time it goes from gas to soil and back to gas. Over time we need to replace some things, eg may be top dress compost. This replaces the losses which are entirely natural. So BOX replaces the losses.


Lots of good stuff around that area, Costa Rica etc, I like the nations attitude to life too.

No I live in southern Europe most of the year mate and when not down here I am in Estonia
Yes I agree if you plant one plant forever you don't understand soil. Yes container.
Yeah man I learned some rad stuff down there especially from shad Avalon Organics in Guatemala. Correct we don't know what the plant is using all the time as the more Cycles I go through I add less and less.
I berate bottle nutrients like crazy, but like I said in another post earlier with another person here when it comes to bottled nutes yours is the best company I seen. And once you get all the info up it'll be even more dope. But you got to admit there's a big difference between yours and I Bud Candy exedra...
I'm guessing BOX is better organix
Cheers
 
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I use hydrologic small boy kdf, I love it.
I used to skate to the water shop in five points Huntington beach and fill up a five gallon water jug with their RO pristine baller ass water and had nothing but problems I believe it was just to clean.
I couldn't tell you how many times I skated with that full 5-gallon jug just to have problems.

You can use humic and bubble and I used too but I bubbled for 24 hours but that wasn't precise just the minimum... it wasn't like I had a timer. That was my first way I still prefer the filter though. do I know what's better no but I do understand I don't actually know when it's ready with the humic and bubbling
if you have a higher ph and want to maintain an acid, i would use a fulvic acid or a chitin based product alongside feeds. I would not mix a humic or fulvic with chlorine.
One thing to be aware of is that when fulvic and humic acids are mixed with chlorine (from chlorinated water) they create deadly carcinogens called trihalomethane and mutagen X. It is important to understand any disinfectant doensnt simply dissipate, rather it converts, some of the things it converts too are worse than the organic matter one is trying to rid
 
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my friend just gave me Morigna and i have black locus for bio mass, making char and standard chipping/ wood stove application. I have so much still to plant and prices of Almonds just kicked my nutts hard. I am looking at Avocados to make up the tumbles of nut prices and low orange price too.
Can i use moringa extract in my fruit juice blends i wonder?
 
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my friend just gave me Morigna and i have black locus for bio mass, making char and standard chipping/ wood stove application. I have so much still to plant and prices of Almonds just kicked my nutts hard. I am looking at Avocados to make up the tumbles of nut prices and low orange price too.
Can i use moringa extract in my fruit juice blends i wonder?
Bro the whole plant is edible it's amazing SuperFood grab those leaves and stick them in your blender. I think it's one of the most nutrient-dense Foods available
 
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