Suspecting issues??

CosmoGrows said:

I know they droop at night, and i dont have any pictures/videos of the how bad the night droopage is yet, but i will post them tonight when it happens. but like i said I KNOW PLANTS DROOP AT NIGHT so please dont just say "plants droop at night" because this amount of droop, even 3 hours before lights off is not normal, or like, its not how the plants been normally acting. The leaves will literally look like they are clothes hanging off a clothesline at night. i dont understand this, or where to go. this is kinda of frustrating. ive gotten so far with her lol.

It is still growing, the plant is showing new growth, and i notice it responding to my LST. Could this all be caused by a PH issue?
Would it be a stupid dumb new grower move to transplant into maybe even the same size container, but maybe pop er out of the soil and see whats going on with the roots? Do i just let her dry and see if that fixes maybe the possible issues going on in the roots?

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See post #67... this is not abnormal. IDK if its a low co2 issue, high light issue, etc. See post #62 after increasing the VPD should help a bit. Possibly back the light off a bit also depending on how close it is. Those are the 2 issues i suspect.

Okay got you aqua, i pulled the light away two days ago, so ill give er a couple more days to recover. I got temps running at 80 - 55% RH as you suggested, been holding strong there too. I guess she did a little better today than yesterday.

I fucked with my stupid fucking timer yesterday and cause my light to go off an hour and a half early, pretty pissed thats not going to help my situation lol.

Oh the joys of learning.

CosmoGrows said:

Ive thuroughly checked over the plants multiple times and continue to find nothing. Where am i supposed to be looking? i used a 65x times scope and check the under leaves, the main stem of the leaves, i check for webbing between nodes, i check the tops of the leaves. I believe humidifer dust as other things in my tent get the residue, it builds up on my tent walls. i clean my tent weekly.

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First check to see if the white specs brush off

or if they go through, and are visible on both top and bottom of leaf

Beachwalker said:

First check to see if the white specs brush off

or if they go through, and are visible on both top and bottom of leaf

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brush off. :P only on tops of leaves. not on the bottoms.

CosmoGrows said:

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VERY Hard to see. but purpling in the center?

@Aqua Man

Fox farm Happy frog, its been in there for about 2 -3 weeks, no food. No food ever, it started out in FFOF, was in ffof for about 3 weeks. transplanted 2 -3 weeks ago, more like 2 weeks ago. I mean, youre more experienced than me, but honestly, i really dont think they would be over fed? infact... im waiting for the day i have to feed them, ihave a feeling its coming soon, but i could be way wrong, im not sure tbh. This is kinda stumping me, no powdery mildew, i checked hardcore for bugs. i been running humidity at 60%. 75 degrees

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So I found what you're using for a medium but unless I missed it I see nothing about pH??

How are you adjusting it?

And to what number?

Beachwalker said:

So I found what you're using for a medium but unless I missed it I see nothing about pH??

How are you adjusting it?

And to what number?

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ive got to get distilled water to get my ph pen working, but ive been getting it to as close to 6.5 as possible on the little ph dye meter.

CosmoGrows said:

ive got to get distilled water to get my ph pen working, but ive been getting it to as close to 6.5 as possible on the little ph dye meter.

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I use the drops, i keep forgetting to get distilled water at walmart lol.

CosmoGrows said:

Okay got you aqua, i pulled the light away two days ago, so ill give er a couple more days to recover. I got temps running at 80 - 55% RH as you suggested, been holding strong there too. I guess she did a little better today than yesterday.

I fucked with my stupid fucking timer yesterday and cause my light to go off an hour and a half early, pretty pissed thats not going to help my situation lol.

Oh the joys of learning.

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Over all that ladies looks good! Though mayb not the perfection you strive for but pretty damn nice!

Moshmen said:

Over all that ladies looks good! Though mayb not the perfection you strive for but pretty damn nice!

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Agreed... This is common not something I would spend a lot of time chasing. Increased VPD and reduced light should help. I always complicate things to the max... It's what I do. I know it's terrible but I hate giving half answers and try to explain why I feel something might help. I find it allows the grower and other growers the ability to evaluate and correct what I'm saying if they disagree if they know where I'm coming from.

After all it's about the right answer not being right.

Moshmen said:

Over all that ladies looks good! Though mayb not the perfection you strive for but pretty damn nice!

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That is another issue that stresses me, i had a good first harvest and got a little bit big of a head, now i just expect everything to be perfect and to be a master grower just like that, and well, we dont like in that type of world. LOL, i need to lower my expectations of myself, it will lower my stressors when it comes to this and help me focus more. Ill get it. I appreciate the support though mosh! && Everyone else thats been helping,you know who you are^^^!!

Aqua Man said:

Agreed... This is common not something I would spend a lot of time chasing. Increased VPD and reduced light should help. I always complicate things to the max... It's what I do. I know it's terrible but I hate giving half answers and try to explain why I feel something might help. I find it allows the grower and other growers the ability to evaluate and correct what I'm saying if they disagree if they know where I'm coming from.

After all it's about the right answer not being right.

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As always, appreciated aqua, the suggestions and advice. I did each thing so hopefully itll help the girl. :D Flower tent comes sunday! Ill be putting her in there, and putting her under 12/12 probably monday/tues/wednesday, some time in there, unless anyone else disagrees. Is she at bad health, to do that? Should i feed then flip later?

CosmoGrows said:

That is another issue that stresses me, i had a good first harvest and got a little bit big of a head, now i just expect everything to be perfect and to be a master grower just like that, and well, we dont like in that type of world. LOL, i need to lower my expectations of myself, it will lower my stressors when it comes to this and help me focus more. Ill get it. I appreciate the support though mosh! && Everyone else thats been helping,you know who you are^^^!!

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You will... Your driven and expect a lot of yourself... Just try to enjoy yourself along the way. There really is no perfection in this stuff. We all just roll with the punches and strive to do better... Well except @MIMedGrower that old coot has his shit on lockdown lol.

CosmoGrows said:

That is another issue that stresses me, i had a good first harvest and got a little bit big of a head, now i just expect everything to be perfect and to be a master grower just like that, and well, we dont like in that type of world. LOL, i need to lower my expectations of myself, it will lower my stressors when it comes to this and help me focus more. Ill get it. I appreciate the support though mosh! && Everyone else thats been helping,you know who you are^^^!!

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I would t lower expectations ! Just mellow out a little you have realistic expectations and they should not be easy to obtain. Just my opinion of life in general sorry

Moshmen said:

I would t lower expectations ! Just mellow out a little you have realistic expectations and they should not be easy to obtain. Just my opinion of life in general sorry

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I guess you do have to work hard if you want good result, you speak truth!

CosmoGrows said:

I guess you do have to work hard if you want good result, you speak truth!

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Work smart not hard... Have patience nobody becomes a race car driver in a day. It will take a few grows to get your stuff dialed in. You can expect to grow like some of these growers that have been doing it for a lifetime.

CosmoGrows said:

That is another issue that stresses me, i had a good first harvest and got a little bit big of a head, now i just expect everything to be perfect and to be a master grower just like that, and well, we dont like in that type of world. LOL, i need to lower my expectations of myself, it will lower my stressors when it comes to this and help me focus more. Ill get it. I appreciate the support though mosh! && Everyone else thats been helping,you know who you are^^^!!

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Aqua Man said:

You will... Your driven and expect a lot of yourself... Just try to enjoy yourself along the way. There really is no perfection in this stuff. We all just roll with the punches and strive to do better... Well except @MIMedGrower that old coot has his shit on lockdown lol.

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That happened to me. My first grow was very stressfull and i had many issues but still had a good enough harvest that i covered my whole investment and got started up as a caregiver.

Then i tried to micro manage my next grow with added worm castings and rock dust and de and I tried to schedule watering and fertilizing. Man that second grow went bad.

But i went back to the basics and stayed there. Kept practicing with all my original stuff until the plants got much bigger and healthier. There is no trick. You just have to maintain a stable hospitable envirenment and only give plants what they need. Then they grow to amazing potential.

And yeah for a little florescent veg tent and a 2 light garden and a pile of feminized seeds I have had a pretty great run.

That said. I have 2 burned and recovered yellowed plants with half the fan leaves died off that im nursing to the end now.

Patience is the main factor I think. Cant rush or control plants. And if you are scheduling or pining for the next thing to do and you are not running a dialed in clone you are looking at it all wrong.

Every plant, grower and grow can be quite different.

Here are 2 ugly plants that will likely yield half what they could have.



Also shows a good reason not to defoliate. She ate half her leaves and set buds. If she had only half her leaves when i over fed she would have nothing left to make flowers.

The flowers are actually pretty dense and packed with trichomes. And the bud leaves are mostly green (or purple on one) and intact.

I flushed down to 1.4 and watched them eat themselves while recovering for 8 days. Then fed a light nute mixture.

Aqua Man said:

Work smart not hard... Have patience nobody becomes a race car driver in a day. It will take a few grows to get your stuff dialed in. You can expect to grow like some of these growers that have been doing it for a lifetime.

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I know mine has a long way to go ! But when I’m discouraged I look around at others who have it so much worse off I see people get a couple grams off a plant ! And b happy! Lmao ur miles ahead of most myself included!

hey guys gotta run, just wanted to post this real quick, day number three, she hasnt came back. adjusted temps and humidity. ill give more info when i get back from errands. do i just keep waiting? (will respond to you mimed/aqua/everyone when i get back, not ignoring!) just wanted to get this up to get brains rolling while im gone for a couple minutes.

Hmm another light cycle and still droop. Starting to be concerning?
Mimed, read your post. Thats kind of what ive been doing, trying to go back to what i did on my first grow, that worked. unfortunately it seems like everything i did on my first grow isnt working anymore,hahaha. i will figure it out, i just cant be in a rush, and knowing ill get yield even if i fuck up is motivating. ill get to your point one day.

Took some pics , not horrible, but not completely happy. still just going to continue to let dry,when it is dry, and i water it again im going to water with a 6.5 ph instead of the 6.8 i was aiming for. ill take a more updated video tomorrow.

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I cant see the leaf health in purple light but at least in purple they look ok. They are currently growing new tops in the pic. Lots of plants lower their leaves as they sprout new growth. They move their leaves up and down often. I had posted the dutch passion stop motion full plant grow vids. You can see the leaves move like that through the whole grow. If you are getting new growth you are headed in the right direction.