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way off topic, but definitely love to travel with demetri.
What about using dry ice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2aIUemy9Xw
I know, dumb kids like to make bombs that way.
hahaha i figured you'd say that man, the fact that you tell me to link you to a site means somthin lol. i didn't mean to offend tho bro haha i'm just sayin so the info's out there not sayin it to argue, like i said tho it's probally bomb oil just not real scco2, real scco2 has to be run by chemists.... and the logic behind it is simple. If the government allowed me to oppenly have that technology then i could just manufacture pharmaceutical grade drugs in my basement, like morphine, codiene, oxycodon, etc ............it's really simple logic. if i were to do that i'd put the 1.3 trillion dollar a fiscal year drug companies outta business. it's honestly just common sense, but if you don't believe me there are plenty of organic chemists in colorado. to tell you. anyways take it easy nd enjoy your shatter man. i don't mean to hate, just elaborate :smiley_joint:
SUPERFLUID MACHINES, look which company owns the patents.........Pfizer. .....................
All i am saying is that you Will Not get ahold of a industrial or pharmaceutical grade, cold pressure extractor(aka supercritical fluid extractor)
this entire process is AKA oxidation which converts a raw unpure product into a pure crystalline structure,it does this through decarboxilation(the most basic form of refinement in Organic ChemistryPlease. You are obviously not a chemist. You're putting tears in my eyes and insulting my studies. Oxidation is merely the LOSS of electrons, often this results in converting a hydrogen->carboxyl (notice the y) group. There are lots of other examples of redox reactions but that is neither here nor there. Decarboxylation is the LOSS of CO2, which as a small stable gas molecule, is what we call a good leaving group. I'm not sure what you mean by basic form of refinement, but I'm more than certain its wrong.
the machines Pfizer uses will decarboxilate the product while it is capturing it
Low heat for several days is more than enough to induce decarboxYlation.
More specifically, PCT/GB02/00620 describes a process wherein: step 1 comprises heating chopped cannabis (2 3 mm) at 100 150° C. for sufficient time to allow decarboxylation; step 2 comprises CO2 extraction using: a) a coarse powder(the particles are passed through a 3 mm mesh); b) a packing density of 0.3; and c) supercritical conditions of 600 bar at 35° C. for 4 hours, although other combinations of temp and pressure ranging from 10 35° C. and 60 600 bar (bothsuper critical and sub critical conditions) could, it is acknowledged, be used; and step 3 comprises conducting an ethanolic precipitation at -20° C. for 24 hours and removing the waxy material by filtration.
There is even a patent for the sc-CO2 extraction AND decarboxylation of THC, CBD, etc. here!
I've read the book and followed the instruction of a very prominent figure in the sc-CO2 scene. His book is one of the forerunners -- he has been doing research in sc-CO2 for a VERY long time. I made sure to get in contact with him before I graduated and moved to CO because I've been interested in these setups for awhile.
This is the future and is a necessity. Cost and convenience should not be a reason to bypass health and safety (if people really are in it for the medicinal value). Although I admit BHO has matured quite well in the processing in the last five years, it is still a mere crutch until we reach the best quality, and as they call it in industry, GRAS -- Generally Regarded As Safe.
EU - Your not worth responding too, you say that i'm wrong...nope i'm not even gonna say anything lol
MT - Eden labs is a good source for this technology
Graywolf - always glad to hear what you have to say about the oil scene.
Take it easy guys.
I Just want to make it clear to people....so that people don't try and take everything i say for a grain of salt so hard that they argue with every single thing i say.
All i am saying is that you Will Not get ahold of a industrial or pharmaceutical grade, cold pressure extractor(aka supercritical fluid extractor), without alot of money and without proper licensing. I am fully aware that there are scco2 machines for sale on the internet and that you can even buy the more expensive bigger models for upwards of 100 k, i'm simply making people aware that the scco2 machines out there now that you guys are talking about are gimmicks. The scco2 machines you guys are talking about are not even chemists certified machines....they don't even contain chemistry equipment and they cost over 30 k? So i was simply stating that rather then buy your own non-complete scco2 machine online like many people as well as collectives etc. do you can just buy organic chemistry equipment online and build the same thing for under 500 dollars and run it in your basement. And thanks to whoever that was that said all people from ohio are just a bunch of pillheads........b/c some people on the farm are from ohio, so obviously where not pillheads. And to let you know the real scco2 that is patented by Pfizer is over 1 mill for the simplest model, and that's because it uses very very expensive organic chemistry equipment(macro-glass beads are one of these very expensive things)
PARTICLE SIZE DISTRIBUTION
Diameter (μm) Percent retain (%)
> 1180 0
1180 - 850 5 – 20
850 - 425 65 – 95
< 425 0 – 10
STANDARD BS6088-1981 CLASS B
PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY FUNCTION
Item Standard
Specific gravity, g/cm3 2,4 – 2,6
Refractive index > / = 1,5
Spherical beads (%) > 80
PARTICLE SIZE DISTRIBUTION
Diameter (μm) Percent retain (%)
> 850 0 - 5
600 - 850 5 – 20
300 - 600 30 - 75
180 - 300 10 - 30
< 180 0 - 10
STANDARD EN1423 125-710μm
PHYSICS AND CHEMISTRY FUNCTION
Item Standard
Specific gravity, g/cm3 2,4 – 2,6
Refractive index > / = 1,5
Spherical beads (%) > 80
PARTICLE SIZE DISTRIBUTION
Diameter (μm) Percent retain (%)
710 0 - 2
600 0 – 10
355 30 - 70
212 70 - 100
125 95 - 100
STANDARD EN1423 125-850μm
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......... there i even included a single glass beads displacement chart from my labs above^ ( in chemistry glass beads act as one of the many ways to effectivly recapture solvents in a true scco2 setup. however glass beads are the cheapest way, this chart is porportioned for a soxhlet apparatus) for you to see, and for ANY substance to become pure it has to "cure" also knowen as oxidative redox reaction, which takes individual redox groups, groups of hydrocarbons,which then realease hydrogen in exchange for oxygen, which then makes them physcho active. this entire process is AKA oxidation which converts a raw unpure product into a pure crystalline structure,it does this through decarboxilation(the most basic form of refinement in Organic Chemistry),the machines Pfizer uses will decarboxilate the product while it is capturing it, (hence a large reason why they are so expensive), thats why the longer you let it "cure" the harder/denser/danker it becomes. Anything else you wanna no you can look up, the people on the farm making real medicine probally already know what i am saying. And if you don't want somone to flame you then educate yourself first before you go calling people with their doctorates in Organic Chemistry, dumbass pillpopping ohioians. Take it easy Brothas and just cause the "oil" is traslucent doesn't mean it's pure or that it's good, the best oils look more like dark molasses or really dark amber honey. :mad0233: hahaha Take it easy Y'all. :afroweed: (sorry for spelling errors)
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Oil to cure pain,oil to get blamed.