Council Of First Knowledge, Jedi Temple Training Facility

[Wisher619]

That's exactly what I was thinking. If it gets too hot I'll just grab a 600w hps and run 2 600w. I'm hoping the cold basement air will keep me good

I would just purchase 2 cheap hps 600's

https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/88061/PX-LU600.html

these are what I alway used
I have used Horti's
but never saw a difference

 

[incogneato]

I would just purchase 2 cheap hps 600's

https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/88061/PX-LU600.html

these are what I alway used
I have used Horti's
but never saw a difference

You think 1600 will be too much? I was thinking I'd running 2 1000 in there this winter

 

[EventHorizan]

when you pinch of the leaves of the tops it stops the tops from growing to allow the rest of the branches to catch up to create a complete canopy without dividing branches into 2

so he say that red pistil early is the case

I am not so sure
in my grow right now
I have 2 plants that are reddining right now
and 3 that are still all white

I think it has to do with how many weeks the plant finishes

1 of the 2 quin n tonics is already half red but still throwing whites
and my Jews Gold is reddening and she is a 50 day flower and started red about day 33 which seems right
the quin n tonic is supposed to be between 55-65 day flower so around 30 days or so in seems right.....that leaves 2 weeks of ripening which is about right

(when you pinch of the leaves of the tops it stops the tops from growing)
So it stops it all together from growing taller, or drastically slows it down so the others can catch up?
You would do this in veg right?
How about during stretch?
This seems to me to be very very importation for what im trying to accomplish..
Knowing when NOT to do this is prob important too,
As i prob wouldnt want to do that after stretch, as I think its not recommended to remove anything after 2nd week of flower eh?

 

[EventHorizan]

(when you pinch of the leaves of the tops it stops the tops from growing)
So it stops it all together from growing taller, or drastically slows it down so the others can catch up?
You would do this in veg right?
How about during stretch?
This seems to me to be very very importation for what im trying to accomplish..
Knowing when NOT to do this is prob important too,
As i prob wouldnt want to do that after stretch, as I think its not recommended to remove anything after 2nd week of flower eh?

there is a lot to be learned about defol, and pruning, when and where....

 

[Wisher619]

You think 1600 will be too much? I was thinking I'd running 2 1000 in there this winter

well no but you never know with the heat
and electric bills
also light isnt a limiting factor
if you dont have CO2
IMO a 600 will produce the same amount of buds as a 1k
because you are maxing your saturation point
but if you have CO2
then your metabolism is stepped up so that 1k can really push the flowers as they are now able to assimilate all that extra light

 

[Wisher619]

(when you pinch of the leaves of the tops it stops the tops from growing)
So it stops it all together from growing taller, or drastically slows it down so the others can catch up?
You would do this in veg right?
How about during stretch?
This seems to me to be very very importation for what im trying to accomplish..
Knowing when NOT to do this is prob important too,
As i prob wouldnt want to do that after stretch, as I think its not recommended to remove anything after 2nd week of flower eh?

so you would do this in veg making sure that your canopy is even and all your branches have reached the top
then wait about a week and flip to flower

on day 14 of flower
you strip every fan leaf off the plant and clean up the bottom for any scraggly crap
and then no more touching your plant until chop

 

[EventHorizan]

ran across this a min ago..... lmao..

 

[incogneato]

well no but you never know with the heat
and electric bills
also light isnt a limiting factor
if you dont have CO2
IMO a 600 will produce the same amount of buds as a 1k
because you are maxing your saturation point
but if you have CO2
then your metabolism is stepped up so that 1k can really push the flowers as they are now able to assimilate all that extra light

True, better to be safe, and I doubt light will be my limiting factor. I still need to dial my enviro in on this run. If I was going to top before flower to keep my height down when would the best time be?

 

[EventHorizan]

so you would do this in veg making sure that your canopy is even and all your branches have reached the top
then wait about a week and flip to flower

on day 14 of flower
you strip every fan leaf off the plant and clean up the bottom for any scraggly crap
and then no more touching your plant until chop

incorporating this into scrogging to even my canopy or
am i basically doing the same thing by tucking?

 

[EventHorizan]

True, better to be safe, and I doubt light will be my limiting factor. I still need to dial my enviro in on this run. If I was going to top before flower to keep my height down when would the best time be?

At least a week befor flip, ive heard even 2 weeks.. I waited 10 days... imo
We see what Wisher says..

 

[Wisher619]

At least a week befor flip, ive heard even 2 weeks.. I waited 10 days... imo
We see what Wisher says..

yeah I would stop topping 7-14 days before flip

 

[Wisher619]

incorporating this into scrogging to even my canopy or
am i basically doing the same thing by tucking?

well see instead of scrogging which is forcing a main top into a whole bumch of little tops

what he and I and others do is top how ever many times when small then allow all those to grow up making sure that each one is equal to the other
then flip

so no tucking or lst or anything

you build the width of your canopy before flip and flip with the understanding of how tall you want your plants and how much they stretch to know how short to keep the canopy

 

[EventHorizan]

well see instead of scrogging which is forcing a main top into a whole bumch of little tops

what he and I and others do is top how ever many times when small then allow all those to grow up making sure that each one is equal to the other
then flip

so no tucking or lst or anything

you build the width of your canopy before flip and flip with the understanding of how tall you want your plants and how much they stretch to know how short to keep the canopy

Ya I want to scrog....
Really what I want to do is let them grow 2 feet, supercrop everything down to 10", put the scrog on asap, dead on them at 10", veg and tuck till 85% of canopy is filled...
Here is my question. If at day 10 I have a couple renegade tops, do I then clip those top fans, to slow it down while the rest of them stretch and catch up? Am I on the right track?
Just growing a plant is one thing, but manipulating it do what you want,
I think is what you skilled growers understand from trial and error,
that maybe a person has to witness to completely understand...
That will be year 2 :)

 

[EventHorizan]

When you look at this light, you can't help but be in awe.... But is it just a dream team on paper?
2 lec 315's and a de in the middle.....
I cant get past the part where they say it will illuminate a 4x8 and the reflector is only 40x25...
Im sure its got the watts, but can it throw them evenly across a 4x8?
And how high would you say they need to be? to give a 4x8 footprint? With c02?
And how do i figure umols with something like that?


https://hydrobuilder.com/sun-system...-de-combined-fixture.html?dzid=strands_906300

 

[incogneato]

When you look at this light, you can't help but be in awe.... But is it just a dream team on paper?
2 lec 315's and a de in the middle.....
I cant get past the part where they say it will illuminate a 4x8 and the reflector is only 40x25...
Im sure its got the watts, but can it throw them evenly across a 4x8?
And how high would you say they need to be? With c02?

https://hydrobuilder.com/sun-system...-de-combined-fixture.html?dzid=strands_906300

You could almost buy all 3 for the price and spread it proper

 

[EventHorizan]

You could almost buy all 3 for the price and spread it proper

Nope the 315's with the phillips bulbs are $450 a pcs. Then a 600/750 de is another 400.. But how are they making a de spread 4x8.. they said a wide throw de reflector.. but does it really disperse the light that well?

 

[EventHorizan]

You could almost buy all 3 for the price and spread it proper

What I like the most about it, is the fact that you can run just the 315's thru veg, then turn on the de for flower, and the de is dimmable... The 315's might even be dimmable too...
Its really cool tho...
But i can imagine how much heat it puts out tho...
But it def would be powerful in a 4x8

 

[Wisher619]

Ya I want to scrog....
Really what I want to do is let them grow 2 feet, supercrop everything down to 10", put the scrog on asap, dead on them at 10", veg and tuck till 85% of canopy is filled...
Here is my question. If at day 10 I have a couple renegade tops, do I then clip those top fans, to slow it down while the rest of them stretch and catch up? Am I on the right track?
Just growing a plant is one thing, but manipulating it do what you want,
I think is what you skilled growers understand from trial and error,
that maybe a person has to witness to completely understand...
That will be year 2 :)

so in one of his videos he has his full canopy finishing
no scrogging
3+# per light

the reason is
when you scrog
you are bending down a main and for ing all those nodes that would have packed on heavy production
you are forcing them to be mains
growing stems to hold themselves
the plant knows how much to regulate per growth node
minimizing your final weight
when you allow main branches to come all the way up to the apical/center branch
the plant has now shifted its hormones to distribute to all those mains
it also knows how strong those mains are and then pack on the weight

that is why
he and other industrial growers "Sea of Green"
which dosnt necessarily mean a shit tons of plants
you can run fewer plants as long as you run it high enough to get enough lower and then manipulate to get those lowers level with apical
then you have a true canopy

scrogging is redistributing all those hormones into a bunch of weak puny branches and telling them "grow big buds"
it just wont

that is my theory anyways

that is why to never see high production gardens running scrog
they do use nets
but never to lay down and tuck
just to support the weight they produce

you should be able to pull.....with CO2
2 1k's
8 buckets
4+#'s easy
but I say if you scrog
you will cut that down to about
1-1.5# per light

JMO

 

[EventHorizan]

so in one of his videos he has his full canopy finishing
no scrogging
3+# per light

the reason is
when you scrog
you are bending down a main and for ing all those nodes that would have packed on heavy production
you are forcing them to be mains
growing stems to hold themselves
the plant knows how much to regulate per growth node
minimizing your final weight
when you allow main branches to come all the way up to the apical/center branch
the plant has now shifted its hormones to distribute to all those mains
it also knows how strong those mains are and then pack on the weight

that is why
he and other industrial growers "Sea of Green"
which dosnt necessarily mean a shit tons of plants
you can run fewer plants as long as you run it high enough to get enough lower and then manipulate to get those lowers level with apical
then you have a true canopy

scrogging is redistributing all those hormones into a bunch of weak puny branches and telling them "grow big buds"
it just wont

that is my theory anyways

that is why to never see high production gardens running scrog
they do use nets
but never to lay down and tuck
just to support the weight they produce

you should be able to pull.....with CO2
2 1k's
8 buckets
4+#'s easy
but I say if you scrog
you will cut that down to about
1-1.5# per light

JMO

that is why
he and other industrial growers "Sea of Green"
which dosnt necessarily mean a shit tons of plants
you can run fewer plants as long as you run it high enough to get enough lower and then manipulate to get those lowers level with apical
then you have a true canopy

what do you mean by run it high enough.....?

So you would top, then top again, then top again, then snip fans on the highest tops, so the lowers catch up, and keep repeating sniping fans until all tops are even?
The reason i keep saying scrog is because,
1. I need as many tops as possible,
2. it allows me to get many tops and still keep the plants short, since i have only 71 inches to work with...
But im all ears on what to do!
I didnt drop 2 stacks too come up short!

 

[jipp]

Ya I want to scrog....
Really what I want to do is let them grow 2 feet, supercrop everything down to 10", put the scrog on asap, dead on them at 10", veg and tuck till 85% of canopy is filled...
Here is my question. If at day 10 I have a couple renegade tops, do I then clip those top fans, to slow it down while the rest of them stretch and catch up? Am I on the right track?
Just growing a plant is one thing, but manipulating it do what you want,
I think is what you skilled growers understand from trial and error,
that maybe a person has to witness to completely understand...
That will be year 2 :)

i know when you remove leafs from below the top say 12" colas it puts effort into growing buds down low. so them auxins are being distributed down low i guess.

chris.